GRNC gets WRAL coverage

Marc said:
While I do appreciate the welcome here, I also take note of the attempt at personal insults (and no - I wasn't wearing any costumes)...

The very definition of "professional" is that you are paid for your services.

None of us at GRNC are paid anything for our time or skills - we are all 100% volunteers so the insult attempts are particularly appreciated, and really reflect on the nature of this forum. I have literally contributed years to GRNC activities and am proud of GRNC lead efforts and achievement for the North Carolina gun community. Without GRNC volunteers you would not have:
  • Concealed Carry in any form
  • Castle Doctrine
  • Regular elimination of infringing anti-gun regulations
  • Opposition in person to anti-gun demonstrations and activities
  • Representation at every session of the Legislature for 23 years
If you have real and constructive actions that can do better, I have not seen them and challenge you to do better. To those that donate to GRNC and participate, my genuine thanks. Without you it would be much more difficult. In fact, without your participation is is more difficult.

All the rest is talk... And that's the nature of the Internet world. Of course, it's also interesting to see all this activity on the forum while people are normally scheduled to be working. I guess that there is plenty of time to post on the forum during the work day.

The weak attempt at insults and criticism and withdrawal of support are most of the response I have received from this forum to my request for constructive action. It has quickly made an impression.

BTW, you can thank the Senate for the rally's schedule, since holding it when they are not in session makes little sense.

If you've lost sight of the issues we're dealing with as gun owners, I suggest you re-evaluate your analysis and level of comfort. For reasons I cannot imagine, it looks like the concept of Constitutional Carry has been manipulated to split the gun community in North Carolina. While Concealed Carry was not remotely possible in 1994 when the original CHP law was established, times have changed and today it should be embraced by all of us. There are no downsides to this law, and only improvements for all citizens whether they carry or not.

There are a number of Senators that, in caucus, prioritized your rights so low that they never addressed this important bill. They need constant and well publicized reminders that we are watching and our expectations have not been met. They need to understand that their position depends on the votes of gun owners.

Now, who can help us with a professionally constructed Rhino mascot costume?
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the silly ass rino costumes helped you to lose all credibility. As soon as you walked in, people's attitude and mindset were instantly changed. You shot yourself in the foot and set us back years in the eyes of the public.
 
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
 
GRNC said:
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
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Hey...other GRNC lackeys...take note. This is how it's done. Bravo


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@GRNC good post and thank you for the clarification that there IS someone here that is an authorized rep to speak for GRNC and can do so respectfully. Again most of us here appreciate what GRNC has done for us and will hopefully be able to keep doing.
 
GRNC said:
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
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Most of the complaints in this thread could have been avoided with this kind of response. Thank you for this!
 
Don said:
You mean actually treat your donors with respect? Shazam!
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Shut your pie hole and buy me lunch you ungrateful old man! You should be honored I take my time to actually meet with you sometimes to lower myself to eating food.


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B00ger said:
Shut your pie hole and buy me lunch you ungrateful old man! You should be honored I take my time to actually meet with you sometimes to lower myself to eating food.

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LOL! You're on.
 
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GRNC said:
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
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Thanks for stepping in with another perspective. This forum membership is really a committed group of loyal firearms enthusiasts who just simply want our rights protected. There are many here that are just as committed as anyone you'll find out there in the masses and we're just like any other group...........we have members who support firearms rights but for a myriad of reasons they just simply can't get as involved as others.

Thanks again for posting this response.
 
Don said:
And don't take kindly to being talked down to when we can't.
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And for those who have valid reasons for not being actively involved it's our job to help protect their rights as well. (Kinda like paying it forward as many others in the past have done for us.)

When I reach the point that I'm unable to carry the torch, I expect those who ARE able to continue standing for my rights as a gun owner.
 
GRNC said:
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
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As others have said, this kind of response maintains respect. Sorrentino and Valone's stuff not so much.

With regards to where would gun Rights be without Valone at the helm? No one can say for certain.

I certainly believe that both GRNC and Paul Valone have done great things for Gun Rights here in the Old North State.

But success and power can certainly go to ones head - and rising stars and trusted Captains can lose their way, ignore the warnings that their judgements are unsound and run great ships into catastrophe.

Captain Edward Smith was one of the greats of the White Star Line and a sailor who spent decades in the trade. He began his life on the sea as a teenager, he signed on to the crew of the Senator Weber in 1867.

Proving his worth, Smith rose quickly up the ranks and qualifications, earning certificates as a second mate in 1871, a first mate in 1873, and a master in 1875. The first vessel he commanded was the Lizzie Fennell, a 1,000-ton ship that moved goods to and from South America. Smith made the leap to passenger vessels in 1880 when he went to work for the White Star Line. By 1885, he was the first officer of the Republic.

Eight years later, Smith took his first command of a passenger ship, the Baltic. He went on to serve as the captain of several other vessels in the White Star Line. From 1895 to 1904, Smith commanded the Majestic.

In 1902, the White Star Line was bought by the International Mercantile Marine (IMM) Company in a deal financed by famed banker J. P. Morgan. A new Baltic was added to the White Star Line fleet in 1904 with Smith as its captain. At 23,000 tons, the Baltic was one of the largest vessels at the time. His next ship, the Adriatic, was even larger. By this time, Smith was held in high esteem by his company and was well known and well regarded among travelers on the North Atlantic route between the United States and Europe.

In 1912, Captain Smith commanded the Titanic, the most impressive luxury liner of her day.

He received countless warnings of ice inte North Atlantic, and he ignored them. He ignored lookouts until it was too late.

Your base (gun owners) is your lookouts and the other ships cruising the night in the cold, frigid ocean of modern American politics.

Heed the warnings, alter speed and course to avoid the ice.

Or the proud and accomplished Captain may find his proverbial resting place with his once majestic ship no longer the envy of the world.
 
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GRNC said:
I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.
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Two things:

1) I understand the tactics quite well, thank you very much. The issue is that the terse tactics that should be used against politicians were instead used against the very people that support GRNC. Sorry, but if Valone failed to check his attitude and ego when it came to the very people that donate funds to facilitate what GRNC does, then maybe he isn't the incredible mastermind he's made out to be. Activism is not one dimensional. Successful activism stems from being successful on two fronts: energizing your allies and defeating your enemies. You simply can't do the latter without former.

2) The whole reason those fake gun organizations have become so popular is because GRNC has failed to utilize social media. GRNC has a tiny fraction of the social media following that the fake organizations have. Those other organizations are simply taking advantage of the vacuum. While GRNC has been successful over the years, who is to say we wouldn't have been better off under different leadership? Scoff at social media if you want, but it has the effect of reinforcing the brand. I've asked some of the people I've met in the gun community if they have ever heard of GRNC. Many more have heard of the North Carolina Firearms Coalition.

Sure, the NCFC is probably a fake gun rights organization. But let's look at the evidence:

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So let me get this straight. An organization that's been successful for over 20 years has about one tenth the Facebook presence as some fake organization that someone spun up a couple years ago? GRNC is doing business via email blasts. Really. Ever consider for a moment that many people probably check Facebook far more often that their email?

If the efficacy of a special interest group is confusing to anyone out there, then let me explain it. GRNC puts people in the NC Leg building, walking the halls and essentially threatening to "primary out" legislators that don't stick to pro-2A principles. But their power comes from the donations that they get FROM US and the phone calls that they ask us to make when those email blasts go out. To make that impact felt, GRNC asks that people call in specific windows so that the effect of the calls is noteworthy. But the key is getting the word out and being at the front of people's minds. It's not really about sitting at gun shows. The fact that GRNC is pissed off that they can't get people to sit at gun shows is a prime indicator that they are completely out of touch. In this brave new world we're living in, that's not the most efficient or effective way to reach people. That was effective before 1997. Now, not so much.

All this anger and arrogance is directed at the rank and file gun owner in NC. But it really stems from GRNC's inability to effectively engage the gun owning public. Worst of all, the few conduits (like this forum) that GRNC does embrace, are also the ones they're in the process of alienating. That's not your fault at all. Valone and a few others have put you in a bad position.

Do you know why the liberals have often been so successful using Alinsky's tactics? It's because they used those tactics in tandem with modern communication, outreach, and data mining. Those are all things that the right struggles with. Trump won just recently, but a lot of the battle for public opinion was fought (and won) on the internet.

GRNC folks, like yourself, have my gratitude and respect. But that only goes so far. If someone like me, who is and always has been your ally, is suddenly treated like an enemy, that's not a viable plan for future success. The secret to the dirty legislative process comes down to one simple concept. Pressure. You can exert pressure with money in lieu of warm bodies making calls and going to the polls. Or you can exert pressure with warm bodies in lieu of money. Best thing is to have both. GRNC will never have an abundance of cash. Our only resort (and I say "our" because I'm a member) is to get more bodies.

You do that by being welcoming and not exclusive. Deep down, even Valone knows this to be true. Pride goeth before the fall.
 
Studentofthegun said:
Two things:

1) I understand the tactics quite well, thank you very much. The issue is that the terse tactics that should be used against politicians were instead used against the very people that support GRNC. Sorry, but if Valone failed to check his attitude and ego when it came to the very people that donate funds to facilitate what GRNC does, then maybe he isn't the incredible mastermind he's made out to be. Activism is not one dimensional. Successful activism stems from being successful on two fronts: energizing your allies and defeating your enemies. You simply can't do the latter without former.

2) The whole reason those fake gun organizations have become so popular is because GRNC has failed to utilize social media. GRNC has a tiny fraction of the social media following that the fake organizations have. Those other organizations are simply taking advantage of the vacuum. While GRNC has been successful over the years, who is to say we wouldn't have been better off under different leadership? Scoff at social media if you want, but it has the effect of reinforcing the brand. I've asked some of the people I've met in the gun community if they have ever heard of GRNC. Many more have heard of the North Carolina Firearms Coalition.

Sure, the NCFC is probably a fake gun rights organization. But let's look at the evidence:

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So let me get this straight. An organization that's been successful for over 20 years has about one tenth the Facebook presence as some fake organization that someone spun up a couple years ago? GRNC is doing business via email blasts. Really. Ever consider for a moment that many people probably check Facebook far more often that their email?

If the efficacy of a special interest group is confusing to anyone out there, then let me explain it. GRNC puts people in the NC Leg building, walking the halls and essentially threatening to "primary out" legislators that don't stick to pro-2A principles. But their power comes from the donations that they get FROM US and the phone calls that they ask us to make when those email blasts go out. To make that impact felt, GRNC asks that people call in specific windows so that the effect of the calls is noteworthy. But the key is getting the word out and being at the front of people's minds. It's not really about sitting at gun shows. The fact that GRNC is pissed off that they can't get people to sit at gun shows is a prime indicator that they are completely out of touch. In this brave new world we're living in, that's not the most efficient or effective way to reach people. That's was effective before 1997. Now, not so much.

All this anger and arrogance is directed at the rank and file gun owner in NC. But it really stems from GRNC's ability to effectively engage the gun owning public. Worst of all, the few conduits (like this forum) that GRNC does embrace, are also the ones they're in the process of alienating.

Do you know why the liberals have often been so successful using Alinsky's tactics? It's because they used those tactics in tandem with modern communication, outreach, and data mining. Those are all things that the right struggles with. Trump won just recently, but a lot of the battle for public opinion was fought (and won) on the internet.

GRNC folks, like yourself, have my gratitude and respect. But that only goes so far. If someone like me, who is and always has been your ally, is suddenly treated like an enemy, that's not a viable plan for future success. The secret to the dirty legislative process comes down to one simple concept. Pressure. You can exert pressure with money in lieu of warm bodies making calls and going to the polls. Or you can exert pressure with warm bodies in lieu of money. Best thing is to have both. GRNC will never have an abundance of cash. Our only resort (and I say "our" because I'm a member) is to get more bodies.

You do that by being welcoming and not exclusive. Deep down, even Valone knows this to be true. Pride goeth before the fall.
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As always, a very thoughtful and well reasoned post!
 
Don said:
As always, a very thoughtful and well reasoned post!
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Thanks, but I had to fix some spelling and grammatical errors after you quoted me. Had a long weekend and not as much sleep as I would like, so I'm not exactly firing on all thrusters.
 
Studentofthegun said:
Thanks, but I had to fix some spelling and grammatical errors after you quoted me. Had a long weekend and not as much sleep as I would like, so I'm not exactly firing on all thrusters.
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"Thoughtful" and "well reasoned" is not necessarily dependent on perfect grammar and spelling...
 
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Did you just assume his gender?

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Actually that "image" is s gender neutral person. You evil man, girls or guys can have short hair and wear skinny jeans, get with the new hipsters person lol.
 
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Actually that "image" is s gender neutral person. You evil man, girls or guys can have short hair and wear skinny jeans, get with the new hipsters person lol.
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Wow a friend told me about this thread and said to look it up. He was telling me something about what had happened and I said they dressed like rhino's? He said yep and I said really he said yeah and I said so this is supposed to be guys from the GRNC?? So these guys basically did like the womans march did but instead of dressing like vagina's they figured to be Rhino's ?? So they want the GRNC to appear to be Rhino's?? I mean if I was a person who didn't know anything about them I would think off hand these idiots are supporting the damn Rhino's.... I mean would that not be what any sensible person would think? I mean we are talking about people who think hillary is a honest person. Or think just because they (the politicians) are republican that they'll do like they say and support gun rights sure they will and they'll stop obamacare and so forth and so forth. Keep up the good work tell me where to waste my votes and money some more. sorry if I seem sarcastic but i'm just trying to let you know what first impressions of what was done were to me.
I've written to spoke to called till i'm blue in the face and tried to do all I can in my own way to help keep it where my grandkids can enjoy guns and gun rights as I grew up doing but I grew up in Tenn. and even its going to hell in a handbasket according to my kids. So like I said tell me more why I should support something like this group?? I know the guys in this forum do care about what happens and most are doing what they can when they can so to see anyone badmouth them leaves a crappy taste in my mouth no matter what you've done in the past. If anyone thinks i'm out of line sorry but thats just my thoughts on it. Normally I don't say a lot of anything seriously but sometimes you gotta whether you want to or not. @Green Hron sorry if there's not enough punctuation or improper grammar.
 
GRNC said:
I just read through this thread and honestly don't have the time to address all the issues. Objectively, I see both sides of the coin and how this thread has spiraled out of control. Like Sean, Marc, and the rest of GRNC's leadership I'm just another volunteer who also happens to be a board member.

Apparently, not everyone thought the RINO costume was a good idea, but those with more experience staging demonstrations and attracting media attention felt it would be effective. The media picked up on it, so it apparently worked.
I'm sorry some of the members here feel that their efforts supporting the Second Amendment have been under appreciated. Someone mentioned a question go unanswered since I'm the admin for GRNC that's on me. I won't bore anyone with my work/family obligations in addition to trying to be an active Second Amendment supporter, but things fall between the cracks.

I continue my active involvement with GRNC for the simple reason that they get the job done albeit not every gun owner appreciates or understands the tactics. For those, I recommend taking Paul's legislative tactics seminar. I did, and it cleared some things up, and I even have a political science degree. The legislative process is ugly.

In conclusion, I'd ask everyone to consider where NC gun rights would be without GRNC with Paul Valone at the helm?
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Studentofthegun said:
Two things:

1) I understand the tactics quite well, thank you very much. The issue is that the terse tactics that should be used against politicians were instead used against the very people that support GRNC. Sorry, but if Valone failed to check his attitude and ego when it came to the very people that donate funds to facilitate what GRNC does, then maybe he isn't the incredible mastermind he's made out to be. Activism is not one dimensional. Successful activism stems from being successful on two fronts: energizing your allies and defeating your enemies. You simply can't do the latter without former.

2) The whole reason those fake gun organizations have become so popular is because GRNC has failed to utilize social media. GRNC has a tiny fraction of the social media following that the fake organizations have. Those other organizations are simply taking advantage of the vacuum. While GRNC has been successful over the years, who is to say we wouldn't have been better off under different leadership? Scoff at social media if you want, but it has the effect of reinforcing the brand. I've asked some of the people I've met in the gun community if they have ever heard of GRNC. Many more have heard of the North Carolina Firearms Coalition.

Sure, the NCFC is probably a fake gun rights organization. But let's look at the evidence:

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So let me get this straight. An organization that's been successful for over 20 years has about one tenth the Facebook presence as some fake organization that someone spun up a couple years ago? GRNC is doing business via email blasts. Really. Ever consider for a moment that many people probably check Facebook far more often that their email?

If the efficacy of a special interest group is confusing to anyone out there, then let me explain it. GRNC puts people in the NC Leg building, walking the halls and essentially threatening to "primary out" legislators that don't stick to pro-2A principles. But their power comes from the donations that they get FROM US and the phone calls that they ask us to make when those email blasts go out. To make that impact felt, GRNC asks that people call in specific windows so that the effect of the calls is noteworthy. But the key is getting the word out and being at the front of people's minds. It's not really about sitting at gun shows. The fact that GRNC is pissed off that they can't get people to sit at gun shows is a prime indicator that they are completely out of touch. In this brave new world we're living in, that's not the most efficient or effective way to reach people. That was effective before 1997. Now, not so much.

All this anger and arrogance is directed at the rank and file gun owner in NC. But it really stems from GRNC's inability to effectively engage the gun owning public. Worst of all, the few conduits (like this forum) that GRNC does embrace, are also the ones they're in the process of alienating. That's not your fault at all. Valone and a few others have put you in a bad position.

Do you know why the liberals have often been so successful using Alinsky's tactics? It's because they used those tactics in tandem with modern communication, outreach, and data mining. Those are all things that the right struggles with. Trump won just recently, but a lot of the battle for public opinion was fought (and won) on the internet.

GRNC folks, like yourself, have my gratitude and respect. But that only goes so far. If someone like me, who is and always has been your ally, is suddenly treated like an enemy, that's not a viable plan for future success. The secret to the dirty legislative process comes down to one simple concept. Pressure. You can exert pressure with money in lieu of warm bodies making calls and going to the polls. Or you can exert pressure with warm bodies in lieu of money. Best thing is to have both. GRNC will never have an abundance of cash. Our only resort (and I say "our" because I'm a member) is to get more bodies.

You do that by being welcoming and not exclusive. Deep down, even Valone knows this to be true. Pride goeth before the fall.
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I've tried to stay out of this, but @Studentofthegun is spot on.

At the heart of it, GRNC needs to use Alinsky's principles to fight the power structure(congress) using the disenfranchised(gun owners), and one of the key elements in his book was how not to alienate your base.

I know, @GRNC , that you will never see this, but on the off chance that you do, I highly, highly recommend you check out this video. It gives you the playbook. Disregard it at your own peril.

 
Studentofthegun said:
Thanks, but I had to fix some spelling and grammatical errors after you quoted me. Had a long weekend and not as much sleep as I would like, so I'm not exactly firing on all thrusters.
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Most novelists have their own editors. We will forgive ya. :) I keed I keed!
 
Hey I got a email from GRNC. They are looking for volunteers to work the gun show this weekend, no costumes required.
 
concepthomes1 said:
Typical heat of the moment cockiness and boasting.

Without adapting to the times and seeing the writing in the wall, I don't think GRNC has a vocal future, and I hope I'm wrong about that.
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If/when they fall, it'll create a vacuum that will allow someone else to step into it's spot and take over the reigns.
 
Well all I can say is this normally you don't say you got everything you need and don't need anybody to help. Then turn around and ask those people you just basically said didn't want to take time to do anything to help for help, I mean that like in my opinion saying someone is useless then ask them for help. Besides why would you ask people who you think aren't going to do anything, to volunteer and to represent your organization?Don't the main guys normally do shows and such I mean with an organization that wants to not put out bad information. Wouldn't they think some normal goob who volunteers might screw up some good perspective people?
 
That email for volunteers, was not issued for the Winston show this weekend, it was for the Greensboro. That's later this month. ;)

As for what I said, I was not rude, nor did I intend it as such. I have maintained a polite demeanor thruout this mess. I am always up for new members on the training squad but I won't beg. It's not hard work, we usually only ask folks to commit to a 4-hour slot, whereas we main coordinators usually stay all day.

We also have to be selective in who represents us. I had one guy start talking racist crap at the booth, and that won't be tolerated by me. Especially given how many professional, nice black folks express interest in us.

I devote my time and money to this. I could have 8 hours of overtime some Saturdays, but I stay here volunteering because I believe wholeheartedly in GRNC.

I have a great partner to work with and that makes this so much more fun in addition to educational for others. I hope that some of you will reconsider your positions and help out, it's a worthy cause and it's fun.
 
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