Group buy on Honda generators...

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It pains me to say this but the group buy will have to wait until after the first of the year. Honda sent directives to all dealers that through the end of the year normal pricing will be respected and no discounts given.
My vendor said he was willing to do 10% but he operates on a 12% margin and I didn't want him going in the hole to accommodate us. So after the first of 2018 I'll get back in touch with him and see what deal we can work.

One thing I did remember from the last group buy was that he needed multiples of 12 in order to make it work. I'll start another thread after the first to gauge interest...... Sorry....
 
Maybe check with Wise or Mayberry.
They have been known to accomidate group buys on the Eu2000i.

However, I'm going to venture a guess that the current situation in FL has quality generators at a premium.
 
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Imagine how many they'll need in PR. They're saying the entire island may be dark for months.
 
Thanks for working on this, Bailey.

When you do circle back after the first, any chance the companion model will be included?
 
Thanks for working on this, Bailey.

When you do circle back after the first, any chance the companion model will be included?

Do you need the companion to parallel them or can you do it with 2 of the standard units? If you can connect 2 standard units, what's the benefit of the companion unit? I was looking on a few sites but didn't find a solid answer to this.
 
You can parallel with either, the companion just has a built in 30a receptacle that would work for my application. My understanding is that the adaptor kit that connects a 30a receptacle to two paralleled regular units needs both running to work.

The idea is I could fire up the companion by itself if I just need a minimal power, and parallel a second regular unit if I need that additional capacity.

Just my thinking. Could be mistaken.
 
You can parallel with either, the companion just has a built in 30a receptacle that would work for my application. My understanding is that the adaptor kit that connects a 30a receptacle to two paralleled regular units needs both running to work.

The idea is I could fire up the companion by itself if I just need a minimal power, and parallel a second regular unit if I need that additional capacity.

Just my thinking. Could be mistaken.

Got it, the built in 20/30 amp plugs are the advantage over a standard. So can the companion be used on its own then?

I am going back and forth about which would be more flexible and a better option...2 standard or the combo??? I think I would mainly use this to feed a dedicated 30 amp circuit to backfeed my house panel to run a few circuits in the house. I would also use them occasionally for other recreational purposes.

2 standard - get 2 identical units, can be setup separately or together, able to be shared with family if needed, get 4 standard plugs but no 20/30 amp plug for feeding house panel
Combo - get a 20 and 30 amp plug on the companion but no standard plug, makes it easier to tie back into a 30 amp circuit to backfeed the house panel - could the companion be used by itself?
 
I talked to a guy but he said that best he could do was 960 if he got a 20 unit order. I think it was good enough to even mention here.
 
Got it, the built in 20/30 amp plugs are the advantage over a standard. So can the companion be used on its own then?

I am going back and forth about which would be more flexible and a better option...2 standard or the combo??? I think I would mainly use this to feed a dedicated 30 amp circuit to backfeed my house panel to run a few circuits in the house.


My understanding is that yes, the companion can be hooked up directly with the 30a recep by itself, you just have to stay within its overall capacity. If you go the route of two standards connected via an external adaptor you are running both to supply the 30a recep.

So if all I'm running is some lights, a freezer and charging phones/etc, with the companion I would be able to just run the one unit, and get the associated fuel savings.

This is all my impression based on internet readings. Im still running a 15 year old Northstar genset for now.
 
Question to the generator experts: is there a way to get 220 AC by rigging the hots from the two 110outlets?
 
120 VAC nominal. To get 240 run a dedicated circuit, never tap into existing outlets.
 
Question to the generator experts: is there a way to get 220 AC by rigging the hots from the two 110outlets?

Not likely.

First of all, the receptacles are probably sourced to the same power...in other words, they're already wired together in parallel, just like all the receptacles on a breaker in your house.

Second, the generator likely isn't a 3-phase generator. So you don't have three different "hot" phases which you can go from hot-to-hot to get 220 VAC. You're only going to have one phase (at 120 VAC) to power your receptacles.

Now, if you buy a generator which is DESIGNED to provide 220 VAC, then you're good to go...and coincidentally, it'll have the proper 220 VAC receptacle to go along with it.

But don't try to "convert" a generator not designed for that.
 
Thanks for working on this, Bailey.

When you do circle back after the first, any chance the companion model will be included?

I'll need to wait on the vendor to see what the dealeo is going to be. Last time he offered 3 different Honda's with very good discounts. Of course, that was then and this is now.....
 
Not likely.

First of all, the receptacles are probably sourced to the same power...in other words, they're already wired together in parallel, just like all the receptacles on a breaker in your house.

Second, the generator likely isn't a 3-phase generator. So you don't have three different "hot" phases which you can go from hot-to-hot to get 220 VAC. You're only going to have one phase (at 120 VAC) to power your receptacles.

Now, if you buy a generator which is DESIGNED to provide 220 VAC, then you're good to go...and coincidentally, it'll have the proper 220 VAC receptacle to go along with it.

But don't try to "convert" a generator not designed for that.

You don't need three phase to get 240 V. All residential transformers on the utility are single phase. You have a secondary coil in the transformer to get 240 and that is tapped half way to get your 120. I guess technically you can get 240 from a 120 gen set by putting 2 in series but I ain't about to try that!

I would assume that if you buy a gen out putting 240 then you can get 120 from it with a little creative "engineering" but once again I wouldn't try it! Also, insert 220/110 everywhere I stated 240/120...same thing.
 
You don't need three phase to get 240 V. All residential transformers on the utility are single phase. You have a secondary coil in the transformer to get 240 and that is tapped half way to get your 120. I guess technically you can get 240 from a 120 gen set by putting 2 in series but I ain't about to try that!

I would assume that if you buy a gen out putting 240 then you can get 120 from it with a little creative "engineering" but once again I wouldn't try it! Also, insert 220/110 everywhere I stated 240/120...same thing.

The power coming to your home on each line is one phase hot. The power production facilities are huge, 3 phase generators. By the time it reaches your house, through all the various transformers, each hot line to ground is 120 VAC. Hot to hot will be 240 VAC.
 
The power coming to your home on each line is one phase hot. The power production facilities are huge, 3 phase generators. By the time it reaches your house, through all the various transformers, each hot line to ground is 120 VAC. Hot to hot will be 240 VAC.

Yes, correct you have a triplex service (either overhead or underground) coming into your house off of a single phase transformer...3 wires make up that service, two hot legs and one neutral but the 2 hot legs are the same phase. Measuring voltage, either of the hot legs to neutral is 120 volts...hot leg to hot leg is 240 volts. The single phase transformer's coil steps the voltage down to 240 volts and where the coil is tapped gives the two 120 volt hot legs for the two hot wires on the service. This is not three phase service though, which is what I was trying to convey above...and probably poorly as I was headed out the door earlier.

Three phase service comes with 3 transformers on three different phases from the utility (each of these is 120 degrees out of phase with the other...hence the term "phase"). These are usually denoted as A, B and C phases (or XYZ on underground). In a three phase service you would have a quadraplex service wire with 3 different hot phases and a neutral on the service. You can have lots of different service voltages depending on the transformers. You can simulate 3 phase service with 2 phases as well by manipulating the connections at the transformers.

All that said, I've never thought about how you might get 240 out of multiple 120 volt generators. With DC, putting batteries in series adds the voltage together. Not sure that would work for 2 AC generators though???
 
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Yall are making this too dern complicated

Ya got to gennys, so ya take two lead cords and plug em into each one. Them ya splice the cords together

Easy 240

Cause we all no 120+120=240

Ain't even no commie core involved
 
Yes, correct you have a triplex service (either overhead or underground) coming into your house off of a single phase transformer...3 wires make up that service, two hot legs and one neutral but the 2 hot legs are the same phase. Measuring voltage, either of the hot legs to neutral is 120 volts...hot leg to hot leg is 240 volts. The single phase transformer's coil steps the voltage down to 240 volts and where the coil is tapped gives the two 120 volt hot legs for the two hot wires on the service. This is not three phase service though, which is what I was trying to convey above...and probably poorly as I was headed out the door earlier.

Three phase service comes with 3 transformers on three different phases from the utility (each of these is 120 degrees out of phase with the other...hence the term "phase"). These are usually denoted as A, B and C phases (or XYZ on underground). In a three phase service you would have a quadraplex service wire with 3 different hot phases and a neutral on the service. You can have lots of different service voltages depending on the transformers. You can simulate 3 phase service with 2 phases as well by manipulating the connections at the transformers.

All that said, I've never thought about how you might get 240 out of multiple 120 volt generators. With DC, putting batteries in series adds the voltage together. Not sure that would work for 2 AC generators though???

Wait a minute...if they're the same phase, then the transformer supplying the households is a split-phase transformer?

That makes sense...basically, it's a single phase transformer with a center tapped secondary, which is grounded at the center tap. The center tap is thus the "neutral", being grounded. Ground to either hot lead on the secondary would be 120 VAC, and from hot-to-hot would be 240 VAC.

As relates to the original question on a 120 VAC Honda generator and producing 240 VAC...I still doubt it can be done. The Honda will be constructed to most efficiently, and cheaply, produce reliable power at the voltage it's rated at. Therefore, I suspect a 120 VAC generator is really nothing more than a single phase, 120 VAC generator. It's simply not going to be wired to produce 240 VAC. One that's designed to supply both 120 VAC and 240 VAC would have a generator built specifically to do this. Likely by producing 240 VAC from which they could derive 120 VAC as well.
 
All that said, I've never thought about how you might get 240 out of multiple 120 volt generators. With DC, putting batteries in series adds the voltage together. Not sure that would work for 2 AC generators though???

The problem is trying to operate two generators in parallel. This presents load sharing difficulties. These generators aren't built with the regulators required to control load sharing because they were built as stand-alone generators for simple, single point power supply use.

If I were to try getting 240 VAC out of a 120 VAC generator, I'd probably just do it by connecting a step-up transformer to the generator. You could still get 120 VAC from the input side (the output of the generator itself), but the output of the step-up transformer would be 240 VAC.

However, one still has to be careful to remain within the capacity of the generator itself. You can't draw more power from the generator than it's designed to produce, no matter what you do with running the output through transformers. If you double the voltage through a step-up transformer, you cut the current available in half. If you have a 120 VAC generator rated at 2,500 Watts, then you have about 20.8 Amps available to power all your loads that run off of 120 VAC. If you want to power equipment at 240 VAC, then you'll only be able to draw 10.4 Amps max at that voltage. If you're powering both 120 VAC and 240 VAC, then you need to be sure you don't exceed your total power capacity between the two.

A transformer like the following would do it, but it would cost you about $200, give or take. Then you'd have to wire it up yourself.

https://www.hubbell-acmeelectric.com/ds-1716-datasheet


Remember...240 VAC loads are generally pretty big loads...and in an emergency response scenario, is it really necessary to power those kinds of loads? The two main household appliance loads requiring that voltage are electric ranges and electric dryers.

The vast majority of your electrical needs are 120 VAC. You need, as a minimum, enough power to run any life essential medical equipment you may have, your food storage appliances for perishables (refrigerator and freezer), and communications equipment. This is what should drive your base-model need for a generator.

From there, anything more really falls under the "nice-to-have" category. Air conditioning? A small 120 VAC window unit for those who really need it. Light usage should be bare minimum. Washing needs should be by hand, then hang dry instead of using the washer and dryer.

If you REALLY want all that other stuff...just bite the bullet and buy a generator capable of supporting all that.
 
I'll be on the lookout for that new thread, if I don't catch it in time please PM me when before you make the group buy I been thinking about getting one for the boat.
 
I'll be on the lookout for that new thread, if I don't catch it in time please PM me when before you make the group buy I been thinking about getting one for the boat.
Based on the op I'm thinking that Honda won't be back to normal before 2018. It might be worth trying the Harbor Freight model chdamn mentioned in the other thread while we wait.
 
Not sure which HF model was being discussed by I see their 2000W inverter model in their October 13-15 circular at $430.
 
Based on the op I'm thinking that Honda won't be back to normal before 2018. It might be worth trying the Harbor Freight model chdamn mentioned in the other thread while we wait.
I looked at it, almost bought one but the discount coupon I had wouldn't work on it so I passed. don't know if I should trust it on the boat or not I've read mixed reviews on boating forums.
 
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$200 shipped to my door from Wal-Mart. So far it's been a great little unit. 20170925_180902.jpg
 
I don't see any mention of a gift card.
Yes, you're right. The gift card only shows up when you add the item to your cart. :)
 
I guess I'm not too bright but I don't see any mention of a gift card.

Don't have to add to your cart, it's right below the description in the red box...see pics below. It's $50 on the 2000 and $100 on the 2000 companion. Looks like the gift cards end on 10/31.

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It pains me to say this but the group buy will have to wait until after the first of the year. Honda sent directives to all dealers that through the end of the year normal pricing will be respected and no discounts given.
My vendor said he was willing to do 10% but he operates on a 12% margin and I didn't want him going in the hole to accommodate us. So after the first of 2018 I'll get back in touch with him and see what deal we can work.

One thing I did remember from the last group buy was that he needed multiples of 12 in order to make it work. I'll start another thread after the first to gauge interest...... Sorry....

Reviving this old thread, please let me know if I've missed a new one. Very interested in a group buy on a Honda. I've got approx. 1200 watts combined with the 2 traditional I have but the Honda is what I really desire. More efficient and more quite. When the sun starts going down I like to hear, not be heard. Now's the time to think about and nail this stuff down. Hurricane season will be back on top of us before we know it.
 
Have you used this yet? What have you run on it? I was looking at it for a small standby.
I have used it several times and it's done very well. Nothing heavy duty but it's made a couple camping trips and powered a cpap machine, hot plate, and some lights.
 
I have used it several times and it's done very well. Nothing heavy duty but it's made a couple camping trips and powered a cpap machine, hot plate, and some lights.
Is it "Honda quite"? How loud is it?

Thanks for the review!
 
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