Guide to NFA forms

[BigWaylon]

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, I do not work for the ATF, and I hold no FFL of any type. I'm simply going to provide the explanations below based on the instructions on the forms themselves.

It seems that a lot of the questions that get asked/answered about filling out forms are because the person submitting the form either doesn't read the instructions or simply is seeking confirmation of what to do. I am simply going to try to explain it as clear as I can using the ATF's own words when possible. I will provide the reference to an instruction when necessary.

There are lots of guides on how to fill out the current forms, and a good bit of the info hasn't changed. In an effort for this to be a one-stop shop, I'll still cover all sections.

I am not going to get too deep into some topics, rather just present the data in black and white. For example, I'll address three things here and then simply mention them later:

1. Fingerprints. The new wording is identical to the old wording. It simply says the person must be "properly" equipped to take the fingerprints. It does not say certified, trained, qualified, or any other word. Therefore, the assumption is if you could roll your own prints before these new forms existed, you should be able to roll them afterwards. Time will tell, or maybe the ATF publishes an answer.

2. Photos. The wording again stays the same. Simply a 2"x2" passport-style photo. In the past, many people have submitted their own, some even printing the pic directly onto the form. I even know people that print them out on normal paper and duct tape them to the form. Others obviously use a service as your local pharmacy, USPS, etc...anywhere that does official passport photos.

3. Responsible persons. This is a term that has had a lot of discussions trying to decide who fits the definition. Concerning a trust, the general explanation is that anyone who is a trustee is an RP, while those that are only successor trustees or beneficiaries are not. Corporations and LLCs will have different rules. I'm sure plenty of lawyers will play games with the legalese and try to minimize the number of people that qualify. All I can say is that the ATF's definition from the F1/F4 reads as follows:

Responsible Person. In the case of an unlicensed entity, including any trust, partnership, association, company (including any Limited Liability Company (LLC)), or corporation, any individual who possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority to direct the management and policies of the trust or entity to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of, the trust or legal entity. In the case of a trust, those persons with the power or authority to direct the management and policies of the trust includes any person who has the capability to exercise such power and possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority under any trust instrument, or under State law, to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer, or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of the trust. Examples of who may be considered a responsible person include settlors/grantors, trustees, partners, members, officers, directors, board members, or owners. An example of who may be excluded from this definition of responsible person is the beneficiary of a trust, if the beneficiary does not have the capability to exercise the enumerated powers or authorities.

The write-up will be split into multiple posts...so you can scroll down, or use the direct links below:
How to fill out a Form 1 as an Individual
How to fill out a Form 1 as an Entity
How to fill out a Form 4 as an Individual
How to fill out a Form 4 as an Entity
How to fill out a 5320.23 (Responsible Person Questionnaire)
State Level CLEO Info
How to fill out an FD-258LE Fingerprint Card
How to fill out a 5320.20 (Interstate Transportation)
Sample Form 1 & RPQ

Layout, as you'll see, will be one section of the form followed by instructions. May end up doing the screenshots with words on them at some point, but I think they may be too busy at this point.

The following info is directly from ATF.gov (direct link: here)

FINAL Rule 41F - Background Checks for Responsible Persons - Effective July 13 2016

On January 4, 2016, the Attorney General signed ATF Final Rule 41F, Machineguns, Destructive Devices and Certain Other Firearms; Background Checks for Responsible Persons of a Trust or Legal Entity With Respect To Making or Transferring a Firearm, amending the regulations regarding the making or transferring of a firearm under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The goal of the final rule is to ensure that the identification and background check requirements apply equally to individuals, trusts, and legal entities who apply to make or receive NFA firearms.

Please note, the forms in PDF format below are not fully Section 508 compliant. We are working quickly to ensure they are accessible for all users of our site.

PLEASE NOTE: Final Rule 41F becomes effective JULY 13, 2016. Applications received with a post-mark of July 13, 2016 and after will be processed according to the specifications of 41F.

How Does Final Rule 41F Change Current NFA Regulations?
The final rule affects the NFA regulations by:
- defining the term "responsible person" as used in reference to a trust, partnership, association, company, or corporation;
- requiring responsible persons of such trusts or legal entities to complete ATF form 5320.23, National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire and to submit photographs and fingerprints when the trust or legal entity files an application to make an NFA firearm or is listed as the transferee on an application to transfer an NFA firearm;
- requiring that a copy of all applications to make or transfer a firearm, and the specified form for responsible persons (5320.23), be forwarded to the chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) of the locality in which the applicant/transferee or responsible person resides; and
- eliminating the requirement for certification signed by the CLEO.
- In addition, the final rule adds a new section to ATF's regulations to address the possession and transfer of firearms registered to a decedent.

Who is a Responsible Person?
In the case of an unlicensed entity, including any trust, partnership, association, company (including any Limited Liability Company (LLC)), or corporation, any individual who possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority to direct the management and polices of the trust or entity to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer, or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of, the trust or legal entity.

In the case of a TRUST, those persons with the power or authority to direct the management and policies of the trust include any person who has the capability to exercise such power and possesses, directly or indirectly, the power or authority under any trust instrument, or under State law, to receive, possess, ship, transport, deliver, transfer, or otherwise dispose of a firearm for, or on behalf of, the trust.

Examples of who may be considered a responsible person of a trust or legal entity include:
- Settlors/Grantors
- Trustees
- Partners
- Members
- Officers
- Board members
- Owners
- Beneficiaries - if said beneficiary has the capability to exercise any of the powers or authorities enumerated above.

 

[BigWaylon]

What Do NFA Trust or Legal Entity Applicants Affected by the Change Need to Know?
If you are:
- applying as a trust or legal entity to make and register an NFA firearm on a Form 1, or
- receiving an NFA firearm in the name of a trust or other legal entity as the transferee on a Form 4, or Form 5,
the following information is applicable to your applications:
---- all responsible persons named in the trust or legal entity are required to undergo a background check.
---- all responsible persons must complete the Form 5320.23 with photo attached and provide two FD-258 fingerprint cards in order to initiate the required background check. Fingerprint cards may be ordered from the ATF Distribution Center through the online Distribution Center Order Form, or by calling (703) 870-7525 or (703) 870-7528.
---- Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) certification has been replaced with CLEO notification. The applicant on the Form 1 and the transferee on the Forms 4 and 5 shall forward a completed copy of the application to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the applicant or transferee is located. In addition, all responsible persons must also submit a completed copy of Form 5320.23, to the chief law enforcement officer of the locality in which the responsible person resides.
---- after July 12, 2016, all applications to make or transfer NFA firearms must be submitted on the new Form 1, Form 4 or Form 5 and a Form 5320.23 must be completed by each responsible person of a trust or legal entity.
---- after July 12, 2016, CLEO certification is no longer required but applicants must send a copy of the application to make or transfer NFA firearms to their chief law enforcement officer notifying them of the application.
---- all applications post marked prior to the effective date of July 13, 2016 will be processed according to the current regulations.
---- all applications post marked on or after the effective date of July 13, 2016 will be processed according to the new regulations set forth by 41F.

Related Resources
Final Rule 41F: Machineguns, Destructive Devices and Certain Other Firearms; Background Checks for Responsible Persons of a Trust or Legal Entity With Respect To Making or Transferring a Firearm
General 41F Questions and Answers

Forms related to Final Rule 41F
All previous editions of the forms are obsolete and will not be accepted.
- ATF Form 5320.23 - National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire (I may refer to this as the RPQ)
- ATF Form 5320.1 - Form 1 - Application to Make and Register a Firearm (I may refer to this as the F1)
- ATF Form 5320.4 - Form 4 - Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm (I may refer to this as the F4)
- ATF Form 5320.5 - Form 5 - Application for Tax Exempt Transfer and Registration of Firearm (I am not covering this in the write-up)
Order Forms and Fingerprint Cards

Related Research and Background Information
National Firearms Act
Regulations and Rulings

Contact Information
Please direct 41F related questions to [email protected].
All applications must be mailed to the address below:

Mailing Address
National Firearms Act Division
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
P.O. Box 5015
Portland, OR 97208-5015

Phone
Phone: (304) 616-4500
Fax: (304) 616-4501

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out a Form 1 as an Individual

You'll need to submit two identical copies of this form, printed double-sided (double-sided is no longer a requirement). Sending in the instructions is not necessary, so most people will have pages 1 & 2 on one sheet (if you opt for double-sided), and then page 3 with a blank back side. You'll also need a 3rd copy to send to the CLEO whose jurisdiction is shown in 3b (the forms have ATF Copy or CLEO Copy in the footer).



1. Check box (a) for Tax Paid
2. Check box for INDIVIDUAL
3a. Leave blank
3b. Applicant's complete name and mailing address.
3c. If PO Box entered in 3b, a physical address needs to be provided here, otherwise leave blank
3d. County
3e. Telephone number (including area code)
3f. Email address



4a. Name and city, state engraved on firearm if modifying existing firearm. Your name and the city, state where firearm will be made if starting from scratch (for example, a Form 1 suppressor or an SBR using an 80% lower)
4b. SBR/SBS/DD/AOW/Silencer, or the fully spelled out version of those items
4c. Caliber or gauge you're initially building, regardless of what's already engraved
4d. Model, as engraved on the firearm
4e. Length of barrel in inches (N/A if item is a suppressor)
4f. Overall length in inches
4g. Serial number
4h. Historically, most people have left this blank. However, the current version of the form and the new 41F version are different from previous forms in the fact they specifically mention the maker's name and city, state. No harm done in providing that information as you'll have to engrave it anyway.
4i. State the reason you're building the fiream. Lots of people use a generic "all lawful reasons", and your state may have specific wording required
4j. Only answer if item is a Destructive Device
4k. Answer Yes/No (usually "No")
NOTES: (1) barrel and overall lengths do not include muzzle device unless it's permanently attached via approved methods such as pin & weld or 1100F silver solder and (2) if there is a folding or collapsible stock, overall length is measured with stock fully extended



5. only answer if applicable
6a & 6b. only answer if applicable
7. Sign form
8. Print name
9. Date form
Do not fill out anything else on page 1



10. Provide CLEO Notification info for the address listed in 3b. Note that state-level CLEO personnel are still acceptable if you don't want to notify a local Sheriff or Chief of Police. Instruction (2)(g) says: Law Enforcement Notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the chief law enforcement officer who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, National Firearms Act (NFA) Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective chief law enforcement officer. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.



11. Answer questions 11a-11h using Yes/No boxes. Definitions are provided on the following pages if needed
12. Affix photo
13a. Check appropriate box(es) NOTE: this replaces the 5330.20 CoC form
13b, 13c & 13d1. Answer Yes/No as appropriate
13d2. If 13d1 was "yes", answer Yes/No as appropriate, otherwise check N/A
14. Answer if applicable



CERTIFICATION. Sign and Date



15 & 16. Leave blank



17. Check appropriate box for method of payment, and fill out necessary info (if paying by check, I always recommend writing the serial number on the Memo line of the check). Sign and date.

Actions to take:
1. Mail the CLEO Copy (the third one I mentioned at the beginning) of the F1 to the CLEO you listed in section 10. There is no action required on their part. (No FP cards are sent to CLEO)
2. Mail the two ATF Copies of the F1, including payment, and two completed FD-258LE fingerprint cards, to the address at the top of the form.

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out a Form 1 as an Entity

You'll need to submit two identical copies of this form, printed double-sided (double-sided is no longer a requirement). Sending in the instructions is not necessary, so most people will have pages 1 & 2 on one sheet (if you opt for double-sided), and then page 3 with a blank back side. You'll also need a 3rd copy to send to the CLEO whose jurisdiction is shown in 3b (the forms have ATF Copy or CLEO Copy in the footer).



1. Check box (a) for Tax Paid
2. Check box for TRUST or LEGAL ENTITY
3a. Enter Trade Name, if applicable
3b. Applicant's name and address. This is not you as an individual, it's the name of the trust, corporation, LLC, etc. The address is the location within the particular state where the firearm will primarily be stored.
3c. If PO Box entered in 3b, a physical address needs to be provided here, otherwise leave blank
3d. County
3e. Telephone number (including area code)
3f. Email address



4a. Name and city, state engraved on firearm if modifying existing firearm. Your entity's name and the city, state where firearm will be made if starting from scratch (for example, a Form 1 suppressor or an SBR using an 80% lower)
4b. SBR/SBS/DD/AOW/Silencer, or the fully spelled out version of those items
4c. Caliber or gauge you're initially building, regardless of what's already engraved
4d. Model, as engraved on the firearm
4e. Length of barrel in inches (N/A if item is a suppressor)
4f. Overall length in inches
4g. Serial number
4h. Historically, most people have left this blank. However, the current version of the form and the new 41F version are different from previous forms in the fact they specifically mention the maker's name and city, state. No harm done in providing that information as you'll have to engrave it anyway.
4i. State the reason you're building the fiream. Lots of people use a generic "all lawful reasons
", and your state may have specific wording required
4j. Only answer if item is a Destructive Device
4k. Answer Yes/No (usually "No")
NOTES: (1) barrel and overall lengths do not include muzzle device unless it's permanently attached via approved methods such as pin & weld or 1100F silver solder and (2) if there is a folding or collapsible stock, overall length is measured with stock fully extended



5. only answer if applicable
6a & 6b. only answer if applicable
7. Sign form
8. Print name
9. Date form
Do not fill out anything else on page 1



10. Provide CLEO Notification info for the address listed in 3b. Note that state-level CLEO personnel are still acceptable if you don't want to notify a local Sheriff or Chief of Police. Instruction (2)(g) says: Law Enforcement Notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 1 to the chief law enforcement officer who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 3b of the Form 1. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, National Firearms Act (NFA) Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective chief law enforcement officer. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.



11. leave blank
12. leave blank (the photo will be handled with the 5320.23)
13a-d2. leave blank
14. leave blank



CERTIFICATION. Sign and Date. This is different than the previous process for entities, and signature is required per Instruction (2)(d)(3)



15. Provide number or Responsible Persons
16. Provide names of Responsible Persons



17. Check appropriate box for method of payment, and fill out necessary info (if paying by check, I always recommend writing the serial number on the Memo line of the check). Sign and date.

Actions to take:
1. Mail the CLEO Copy (the third one I mentioned at the beginning) of the F1 and a completed 5320.23 to the CLEO you listed in section 10. There is no action required on their part. (No FP cards are sent to CLEO)
2. Each remaining responsible person must send the CLEO Copy (no photo) of the completed RPQ to their respective CLEO. No fingerprint cards are sent with these CLEO Notifications, and no copy of the F1.
3. Mail the two ATF Copies of the F1, including payment, to the address at the top of the form. For each responsible person, including the person filing the form, you must also include the ATF Copy of the completed RPQ (with affixed photo) and two completed FD-258 fingerprint cards. You also need to include proof of the entity’s existence...copy of trust, etc. See instruction 2(d)(4) on the Form 1 or 4.

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out a Form 4 as an Individual

You'll need to submit two identical copies of this form, printed double-sided (double-sided is no longer a requirement). Sending in the instructions is not necessary, so most people will have pages 1 & 2 on one sheet (if you opt for double-sided), and then page 3 with a blank back side. You'll also need a 3rd copy to send to the CLEO whose jurisdiction is shown in 2a (the forms have ATF Copy or CLEO Copy in the footer).



1. Check box appropriate box for Type of Transfer ($5 is for AOW, $200 for all other NFA items)
2a. Check box for INDIVIDUAL and provide Transferee's complete name and mailing address.
2b. County
3a. Transferor's complete name and mailing address. (if from a dealer, the dealer will most likely populate)
3b. Transferor's email address
3c. Transferor's Telephone number (including area code)
3d. Complete if applicable, most likely it's not
3e. Complete if applicable



Everything in item 4 is usually taken directly off the previous form, whether that's an F1, F2, F3, F4, or even an F5.
4a. Name and city, state engraved on firearm
4b. SBR/SBS/DD/MG/AOW/Silencer, or the fully spelled out version of those items
4c. Caliber or gauge as engraved
4d. Model, as engraved on the firearm (if designated)
4e. Length of barrel in inches (N/A if item is a suppressor)
4f. Overall length in inches
4g. Serial number
4h. Historically, most people have left this blank. Any additional engraving on the firearm can be noted here.
NOTES: (1) barrel and overall lengths do not include muzzle device unless it's permanently attached via approved methods such as pin & weld or 1100F silver solder and (2) if there is a folding or collapsible stock, overall length is measured with stock fully extended



5. Transferee FFL (if any)
6a & 6b. Transferee SOT (if any)
7. Transferor FFL (if any)
8a & 8b. Transferor SOT (if any)
9. Transferor signature
10. Print transferor name, and title (if any)
11. Date form
Do not fill out anything else on page 1



12. Provide CLEO Notification info for the address listed in 2a. Note that state-level CLEO personnel are still acceptable if you don't want to notify a local Sheriff or Chief of Police. Instruction (2)(g) says: Law Enforcement Notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 4 to the chief law enforcement officer who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 2a of the Form 4. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, National Firearms Act (NFA) Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective chief law enforcement officer. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.



13. Fill in the blanks per Instruction (2)(e). There are situations where this can be left blank, for instance if the item is a suppressor or AOW, or if transferee/transferor meet certain requirements.
14. Answer questions 14a-14h using Yes/No boxes. Definitions are provided on the following pages if needed
15. Affix photo
16a. Check appropriate box(es) NOTE: this replaces the 5330.20 CoC form
16b, 16c & 16d1. Answer Yes/No as appropriate
16d2. If 16d1 was "yes", answer Yes/No as appropriate, otherwise check N/A
17. Answer if applicable



CERTIFICATION. Transferee must Sign and Date



18 & 19. Leave blank



20. Check appropriate box for method of payment, and fill out necessary info (if paying by check, I always recommend writing the serial number on the Memo line of the check). Sign and date.

Actions to take:
1. Mail the CLEO Copy (the third one I mentioned at the beginning) of the F4 to the CLEO you listed in section 10. There is no action required on their part. (No FP cards are sent to CLEO)
2. Mail the two ATF Copies of the F4, including payment, and two completed FD-258LE fingerprint cards, to the address at the top of the form.
NOTE: The ATF is saying that two fingerprint cards are required for each serial number, even when multiple forms are submitted at the same time. This is different from how it used to work, but we won't know for sure until somebody that submits one set for multiple forms in the 41F era reports back.
NOTE: Per ATF's answer in email, no photo is required on the CLEO Copy of the F4, which is consistent with the process for an entity (no photo on CLEO Copy of RPQ)

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out a Form 4 as an Entity

You'll need to submit two identical copies of this form, printed double-sided (double-sided is no longer a requirement). Sending in the instructions is not necessary, so most people will have pages 1 & 2 on one sheet (if you opt for double-sided), and then page 3 with a blank back side. You'll also need a 3rd copy to send to the CLEO whose jurisdiction is shown in 2a (the forms have ATF Copy or CLEO Copy in the footer).



1. Check box appropriate box for Type of Transfer ($5 is for AOW, $200 for all other NFA items)
2a. Check box for TRUST or LEGAL ENTITY and provide Transferee's name and address. This is not the person submitting the form, it's the name of the trust, corporation, LLC, etc. The address here is the primary location that the firearm will be stored.
2b. County
3a. Transferor's complete name and mailing address. (if from a dealer, the dealer will most likely populate)
3b. Transferor's email address
3c. Transferor's Telephone number (including area code)
3d. Complete if applicable, most likely it's not
3e. Complete if applicable



Everything in item 4 is usually taken directly off the previous form, whether that's an F1, F2, F3, F4, or even an F5.
4a. Name and city, state engraved on firearm
4b. SBR/SBS/DD/MG/AOW/Silencer, or the fully spelled out version of those items
4c. Caliber or gauge as engraved
4d. Model, as engraved on the firearm (if designated)
4e. Length of barrel in inches (N/A if item is a suppressor)
4f. Overall length in inches
4g. Serial number
4h. Historically, most people have left this blank. Any additional engraving on the firearm can be noted here.
NOTES: (1) barrel and overall lengths do not include muzzle device unless it's permanently attached via approved methods such as pin & weld or 1100F silver solder and (2) if there is a folding or collapsible stock, overall length is measured with stock fully extended



5. Transferee FFL (if any)
6a & 6b. Transferee SOT (if any)
7. Transferor FFL (if any)
8a & 8b. Transferor SOT (if any)
9. Transferor signature
10. Print transferor name, and title (if any)
11. Date form
Do not fill out anything else on page 1



12. Provide CLEO Notification info for the address listed in 2a. Note that state-level CLEO personnel are still acceptable if you don't want to notify a local Sheriff or Chief of Police. Instruction (2)(g) says: Law Enforcement Notification. The applicant must provide a copy of the Form 4 to the chief law enforcement officer who has jurisdiction over the area of the applicant's address shown in item 2a of the Form 4. In addition, if the applicant is other than an individual, a copy of the Form 5320.23, National Firearms Act (NFA) Responsible Person Questionnaire, for each responsible person must be provided to their respective chief law enforcement officer. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.



13. Fill in the blanks per Instruction (2)(e). There are situations where this can be left blank, for instance if the item is a suppressor or AOW, or if transferee/transferor meet certain requirements.
14. leave blank
15. leave blank (the photo will be handled with the 5320.23)
16a-d2. leave blank
17. leave blank



CERTIFICATION. Transferee must sign and Date. This is different than the previous process for entities, and signature is required per Instruction (2)(d)(3)



18. Provide number or Responsible Persons
19. Provide names of Responsible Persons



20. Check appropriate box for method of payment, and fill out necessary info (if paying by check, I always recommend writing the serial number on the Memo line of the check). Sign and date.

Actions to take:
1. Mail the CLEO Copy (the third one I mentioned at the beginning) of the F4 and a completed RPQ to the CLEO you listed in section 10. There is no action required on their part. (No FP cards are sent to CLEO)
2. Each remaining responsible person must send the CLEO Copy (no photo) of the completed RPQ to their respective CLEO. No fingerprint cards are sent with these CLEO Notifications, and no copy of the F4.
3. Mail the two ATF Copies of the F4, including payment, to the address at the top of the form. For each responsible person, including the person filing the form, you must also include the ATF Copy of the completed RPQ (with affixed photo) and two completed FD-258 fingerprint cards. You also need to include proof of the entity’s existence...copy of trust, etc. See instruction 2(d)(4) on the Form 1 or 4.
NOTE: The ATF is saying that two fingerprint cards are required for each serial number, even when multiple forms are submitted at the same time. This is different from how it used to work, but we won't know for sure until somebody that submits one set for multiple forms in the 41F era reports back.

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out a 5320.23 (RPQ) (will only be necessary if applicant is not an individual)

You'll need two copies of this form filled out for each RP, as well as two completed FD-258 fingerprint cards. (notice one copy says ATF Copy in the footer, and the other says CLEO Copy)



1. Check box to indicate which ATF form is being filed
2. Enter the info from the F1 (item 3b), F4 (item 2a) or F5 (item 2a)
3a. Name and Home Address of RP
3b. RP's Telephone number
3c. RP's email address
3d. RP's other names used, including maiden name



3e. Affix photo on the ATF Copy only
4a. Enter type of firearm from item 4b of the F1/F4/F5
4b. Enter name and address from item 4a of the F1/F4/F5
4c. Enter model from item 4d of the F1/F4/F5
4d. Enter the caliber/gauge from item 4c of the F1/F4/F5
4e. Enter the serial number from item 4g of the F1/F4/F5



5. Enter the information for the CLEO that has jurisdiction in the RP's location (not necessarily the same info that's in the CLEO Notification section of the F1/F4/F5). Remember, this can be a state level employee.



6. Answer questions 6a-6h using Yes/No boxes. Definitions are provided on the following pages if needed



7a. Check appropriate box.
7b, 7c & 7d1. Check Yes/No as appropriate
7d2. If 7d1 was "yes", check Yes/No, otherwise check N/A
8. Answer if appropriate, otherwise leave blank
CERTIFICATION. Responsible Person must sign and date.

Actions to take:
1. Mail CLEO Copy (no photo) of the RPQ to the CLEO listed in item 5. (No FP cards are sent to CLEO)
2. The ATF Copy (with photo attached) needs to be sent with the F1/F4/F5 to the ATF, along with the two FD-258 Fingerprint cards. This goes for every person considered an RP, including the person submitting the F1/F4/F5.
NOTE: The ATF is saying that two fingerprint cards are required for each serial number, even when multiple forms are submitted at the same time. This is different from how it used to work, but we won't know for sure until somebody that submits one set for multiple forms in the 41F era reports back.

 

[BigWaylon]

State Level CLEO Info

As mentioned earlier, there are state level employees who qualify as CLEO. It does not have to be a local Sheriff or Police Chief.

The following list is courtesy of Silencer Shop. This is who they’ll be using to meet the CLEO Notification requirement. Using the state level employee can keep you off the radar of your local PD/SD if that’s important to you. Also, the CLEOs below should be used to seeing the forms in the near future. I believe there are currently only 43 states listed, as 7 don’t allow suppressors. If your state allows other NFA items, but not Suppressors, feel free to send me the info and I’ll update the list.

Edit: I'm deleting the list of names due to the potential of out-of-date info. Silencer Shop has changed their practice and now uses the State Attorney General. You can still use the head of the Highway Patrol as well. Those names and addresses are readily available online.

 

[BigWaylon]

How to fill out an FD-258LE Fingerprint Card

I've never actually had to submit prints, so this info was gathered from several sources. One was an FBI document titled Guidelines for Preparation of Fingerprint Cards. Another was a member on ARF that has successfully submitted prints he rolled 30+ times without a rejection. Update: I've since submitted multiple forms and rolled my own prints following the instructions below.

It was listed in an earlier post, but you can order the cards for free here. You'll need to fill out your info, then check the box for Fingerprint Cards. Once you check the box, enter your quantity and select FBI FD-258LE NFA, Imports ORI WVATF0800. Don't click "Add an item", just click Preview and then Submit.

Use quality ink. Sirchie ink pads are some of the most highly recommended. You can also order a card holder to make things go easier. Added some additional tips here: Fingerprinting Tips (<—— don’t skip this, it’s a link to a post later in this thread with some good tips...it just added to many characters for me to copy/paste into this space)

I'm going to do a quick version using an example I filled out, followed by a more detailed version from the FBI, which also has a better pic of the card. (Imm writing with red ink just to make it easier to see...but you'll need to use black or blue)



1. leave blank
2. sign
3. enter your address
4. enter date printed
5. sign
6. enter "Self" and your address again
7. enter reason; some examples from those with approved cards are "NFA", "NFA Transfer" (for F4), "NFA Application" (for F1), "Form 1", and "Form 4"
8. enter Last Name, First Name and Middle Name
9. enter aliases or leave blank
10. enter your Citizenship (U.S. is proper format based on FBI guide)
11. leave blank
12. leave blank
13. leave blank
14. enter your SSN, (optional)
15. leave blank
16. should have the NFA ORI stamped
17. leave blank
18. enter your date of birth, in MM DD YYYY format
19. enter your sex (M/F...or see list in FBI guide below)
20. enter your race (see list in FBI guide below if needed)
21. enter height in feet and inches (format info in FBI guide below)
22. enter weight in pounds
23. enter eye color (see list in FBI guide below)
24. enter hair color (see list in FBI guide below)
25. enter place of birth (state, territory, province or country)
26. leave blank
27. provide prints...roll the individual prints in rows 1-2 and press the ones in the 3rd row, as seen below




the detailed Instructions below are straight from the FBI guide linked above



Data fields preceded by an asterisk (*) must be completed in order for a fingerprint card to be processed by the FBI. However, all data fields are important and should be completed if the information is known. Also, the
National Crime Information Center (NCIC) Code Manual can be used as a reference for codes of various fields.

1. *Name (NAM) Block
Enter the name obtained from the subject in this field. Abbreviations are not to be used for any part of the name. This format is last name followed by a comma (,) first and middle name, if any. Suffixes denoting seniority (i.e. Jr., Sr., III, etc.) should follow the middle or first name. Do not obstruct this area by using stamps, labels, holes or staples where the name has been printed.
2. Signature and residence of Person Fingerprinted Block
Obtain the signature of the person being fingerprinted, in ink. Also, enter the residential address of the person being fingerprinted.
3. Aliases (AKA) Block
Enter other names used by the subject that are different than the name entered in the "NAM" block #1. Also list the signature name as an AKA if different than the name that appears in the "NAM" block. Maiden names and all previous married names of females should be entered in the AKA field, if known.
4. *Originating Agency Identifier (ORI) Block
If the ORI number is not preprinted by the FBI, enter the ORI number, agency name, city and state. Each agency is assigned its own unique ORI number. If you do not have an ORI number, you can contact your NCIC Control Terminal Officer (CTO), and an ORI number will be assigned to your agency. Federal agencies should contact their Federal Service Coordinator to obtain an ORI number.
5. *Date of Birth (DOB) Block
Enter the DOB in month, day, year format (i.e. MM/DD/YYYY). If a complete DOB is not known, enter approximate age followed by the statement "YEARS OF AGE". Fingerprint cards of person 99 years old or older are not processed by the FBI; they will be rejected.
6. Citizenship (CTZ) Block
Enter "U.S." if the subject is a citizen of the United States; otherwise, enter the appropriate country. Use the correct abbreviation for foreign countries or correctly spell the name of the country. A list of approved abbreviations can be found in the NCIC Code Manual. "YES" or "NO" responses are not acceptable.
7. *Sex (SEX) Block
Sex must be indicated by either "F" (female) or "M" (male). See Sex Code Table below for additional codes.
8. Race (RAC) Block
Race must be indicated by using the Race Code decision chart below
9. Height (HGT) Block
Height must be expressed in feet and inches. Fractions of an inch should be rounded off to the nearest inch. Inches less than ten should be preceded by a zero.
For example, five feet four inches should be submitted as "504" and six feet even would be
"600".
10. Weight (WGT) Block
Weight must be expressed in pounds. Fractions of a pound should be rounded off to the nearest pound.
11. Eye (EYE) Color Block
Indicate eye color by entering one of the codes from the eye color decision chart below.
12. Hair (HAI) color Block
Indicate hair color by entering one of the codes from the hair color decision chart below.
13. Place of Birth (POB) Block
Enter the subject's state, territorial possession, province (Canadian), or country of birth. Use the correct abbreviation for foreign countries or correctly spell the name of the country. A list of approved abbreviations can be found in the NCIC Code Manual. Do not list a county as a POB.
14. Originating Case Agency/Local Agency Identification Reference (OCA/LIR)
Block
Enter your agency's identification or case number for the subject. The OCA must not exceed twenty (20) alphanumeric characters.
15. FBI Number (FBI) Block
Enter the assigned FBI Number for the subject, if known.
16. Armed Forces Number (MNU) Block
Enter Armed Forces number, if known.
17. Social Security Number (SOC) Block
Enter the subject's Social Security number, if known.
18. Miscellaneous Number (MNU) Block
The MNU is an identifying number associated with the subject such as U.S. Military Service Number, Passport Number, etc. Enter the MNU and indicate the description according to the decision chart on page 40.
19. Date Fingerprinted Block
Enter the date the subject was fingerprinted in month, day, year format (i.e. MM/DD/YYYY).
20. Signature of Official Taking Fingerprints Block
Enter the signature or name of the official taking fingerprints. Also list the official’s ID number if applicable.
21. Employer and Address Block
Enter the subject’s potential employer and address of that employer.
22. Reason Fingerprinted Block
Miscellaneous Applicant: Fingerprint cards are submitted when a person is applying for law enforcement/criminal justice background checks. Clearly state the position and or agency as applicable such as: Law Enforcement Officer, Corrections Officer, NCIC Terminal Operator, etc.
Applicant User Fee: Fingerprint cards are submitted when a person is applying for a non-law enforcement position and needs a background check completed as part of the hiring/licensing process (i.e. teacher, day care provider, school bus driver, racing commission, liquor license, etc.). Non-Federal Applicant User Fee fingerprint card submissions are governed by state statutes. A statute must be included in the Reason Fingerprinted block and coincide with the literal (i.e. Pharmacists B&PC 4345, Notaries Public Gov C 82141, AS 13.08.015 Permit for School Bus Driver).
23. *Fingerprint Impressions Block (Individual & Simultaneous)
Care should be taken to roll the fingers from nail to nail when taking the individual finger impressions. This will help ensure legibility. Roll the prints in the correct sequence code (note the right and left hand designations in the finger blocks) and obtain simultaneous plain "flat" impressions at 45 degree angles that do not extend up into the rolled impressions. Indicate amputated fingers, tip-amputated, transplanted toes/fingers, missing at birth, deformed, bandaged, scars, etc., in the appropriate finger block(s).

 

[BigWaylon]

Did this by request on another site, figured I'd post it here as well. Current form is available here.

9/23/20: the form changed last year and I completely forgot to update this. They’re very minor changes, so I’m just going to make notes down below. I might get screen shots later, but for now the numbering won’t match. They added boxes in Q1 to identify type of registrant, and then added a new item (#5) to allow you to provide a different mailing address for the forms to be returned to.



1. Provide registered name (from F1/F4) and address
1a. Provide phone number
1b. Provide email address
2. Mark "yes" if coming back, or "No" if it's a move
3. Provide dates. You can enter up to a year, so 1/1-12/31, or 9/21-9/20, etc. I send mine in each fall for the entire next year.



4. Provide the following:
-Manufacturer: I've always put the original manufacturer for a Form 1 SBR, not my trust name as Maker. But, I know people that put their name (or trust/corp/LLC name) and get approved.
-Type of Firearm: Use the appropriate category from the six. I use the abbreviation, like SBR/SBS, but you can also spell them out.
-Serviceable: most likely "yes", assuming the firearm is in working condition
-Caliber or Gauge: I put the caliber/gauge that matches current config, even if it doesn't match the F1/F4. I've heard some reports of people getting push back if it doesn't match, but I've never had a problem.
-Model: same info from F1/F4
-Barrel Length: again, I provide the current config, even if it doesn't match the F1/F4
-Overall Length: same answer as barrel length
-Serial Number: should match F1/F4
5. You can now provide a different address for them to use to return your forms if needed
5 6. Provide a reason. I've always had success with the generic "all lawful reasons" type answer, but I've seen some people get push back from ATF requesting a specific activity.



6 7. Provide the current location of firearm(s)
7 8. Provide the destination address. They used to take an intersection, or even GPS coordinates, but I've seen reports of those getting kicked back. I've always used an actual address...usually just picked a range somewhere in the state. Remember, intrastate travel isn't limited...so you just need permission to cross the state line.
8 9. Mode of Transportation: I've always used "personal vehicle"
9-11 10-12. Usually left blank, but populate if appropriate
12 13. Sign form. I sign my name and then print "as Trustee"
13 14. Provide date

Here's a completed form I just got back. It's one of the custom ones I did that has 11 firearms instead of the 3 the actual form has. Note that I did put my AOW, although it's not required. I have never submitted one for a Silencer.




You'll need two copies for each state. You can mail them to the address in the Instructions:
Director, BATFE
244 Needy Road
Martinsburg, WV 25405
Attention: NFA Branch

The form can also be submitted via facsimile to the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4501 or may be scanned and emailed to [email protected].

In addition to mailing them, I've also faxed them and emailed them, but snail mail works more consistently. The faxes and emails sometimes get lost. Regardless of submission method, it will be folded and mailed back to the name & address in Item 1.

 

[BigWaylon]

Something else I worked on because of a request elsewhere. Might as well post it in case it helps anybody.

Notes:
1. The highlighted area on page 2 is skipped if you're applying as an entity. That info is handled on the 5320.23 (RPQ), which I also included below.
2. The CLEO notified on the F1 is one having jurisdiction over the address in box 3b, and is the only one that gets a copy of the F1.
3. The CLEO notified on the RPQ (not required for individual applications) is one having jurisdiction over the address in box 3a

The Form 1:





And then the RPQ:

 

[BigWaylon]

ETA 9/27/17: some good info from ARFCOM member bbies1973:

I can offer a couple tips to get you started, and maybe reduce the amount of practice needed. This is all based on human biology/physiology:

1. Ever notice that you can't extend your ring finger without either the middle or pinky coming with it? The reason is that you only have 3 muscles to extend 4 fingers. The ring finger shares a portion of each of the two muscles that otherwise operate those two fingers next to it. This is why it really does help to have someone else doing your prints, and why you're always being told to relax your hand and not try to help.

2. Make sure the person being printed is standing full arms length away from the card. The forearm doesn't rotate well enough. So, with the elbow straight, shoulder rotation helps to get a clean roll from one side to the other without slipping or twisting.

3. Just like "righty tighty, lefty loosey" for nuts and bolts - remember "Fingers from, Thumbs toward". Even though the shoulder has more rotation than the forearm, it still has it's limits. Rolling towards the end of the shoulder's range of mobility can trigger a muscle reflex to stop the movement, which can cause the print to slip. Rolling away from the edge of our range of motion reduces the chance of a slip. When rolling the prints, start from the outside edge of the thumb (near the rearward limit of the shoulder rotation) and roll it inward - and the inside edge of the fingers (turning the shoulder towards it's forward limit) rolling them outward.

ETA 1/4/19: some good info from ARFCOM member drfroglegs:

Always roll your index through pinky fingers away from your body and always roll your thumb towards your body. The reason is that you want to start your roll in the most tense/resistive position and roll to the most relaxes position. If you roll to the most tense/resistive position it's easier to smudge/shake because it's an uncomfortable position to remove your hand from the card.

For instance, look at your left hand with your fingernails pointing up. You'll notice it's easier to put the left part of your pinky fingerprint on the table than it is to put the right part of your pinky fingerprint. The same is true for your ring, middle and index finger. However it is most difficult to put the left side of your thumb on the table vs the right side.

So always start at the most difficult part and roll to the easist part. So on your left hand, roll your pinky-index fingers from right to left and roll your thumb left to right. On your right hand, roll your pinky-index finger from left to right and roll your thumb from right to left.

 

[BigWaylon]

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[BigWaylon]

Working on getting everything copied over. Already made it a sticky, which is further than it got on the old site.

just waiting on the max number of pics per post to get updated (already confirmed it should be possible) so I don't have to split them up more than they already are

 

[BigWaylon]

Should be updated. If anybody finds a dead link or anything else, let me know. I did a copy/paste from one of the other sites I had it posted on and may have missed something. The links in the first post should take you to the proper section in this thread.

 

[Exile_D]

Awesome work, thank you BigWaylon !

If I am reading this correctly, since the rule change even successor trustees are considered responsible parties and have to go through a background check, correct?

 

[TSConver]

Awesome work, thank you BigWaylon !

If I am reading this correctly, since the rule change even successor trustees are considered responsible parties and have to go through a background check, correct?

Not sure anyone really knows yet since no one has had one of the new submissions reviewed. I am guessing it will take them a few months to sort it all out and one examiner might do one thing and another something different until that sorting happens.

 

[RedneckFur]

Forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions, but the rule changes threw me for a loop. I'd just gotten everything figured out before everything changed and I put building an SBR on the back burner again.

I'm ready to start the process. I've got a few questions.

Seems CLEO permission isn't needed anymore. Just CLEO notification? Does this mean I can just fill out the forms, pay my tax, get photo and fingerprint cards, and send a notification letter to the CLEO once everything comes back? Will this allow me to forgo having to form a trust?

I'm hoping to start the process in the next month, so I'll ask forgiveness in advance, I'll probably have a lot of questions.

 

[BigWaylon]

Seems CLEO permission isn't needed anymore. Just CLEO notification? Does this mean I can just fill out the forms, pay my tax, get photo and fingerprint cards, and send a notification letter to the CLEO once everything comes back? Will this allow me to forgo having to form a trust?

The write-up should spell out exactly what you do.

There's no letter to write. One copy of the F1/F4 is designated CLEO Copy. You send it off at the same time as you file the two copies with the ATF.

 

[BigWaylon]

A couple random bits of info that are in the instructions of the current forms, which weren't on the previous forms.

1. The following Instruction can be found on the Form 1 (2i), Form 4 (2j), and Form 5 (2i):

Photocopies or Computer Generated Versions or Downloaded Version from ATF Website. The form may be copied or downloaded (for example, from the ATF website (www.atf.gov)). The form does not have to be printed front to back.

Note: the "does not have to be printed front to back" is definitely a change from how we've done it in the past


2. The following Instruction can be found on the 5320.20 (b):

The registered owner of NFA firearm(s) shall complete two copies of ATF Form 5320.20 and forward the forms to the Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405 (Attention: NFA Branch). The form can be submitted via facsimile to the NFA Branch at (304) 616-4501 or may be scanned and emailed to [email protected].

Note: while some have emailed them to the ATF in the past, this is the first time I've seen it included as a valid option on the form

 

[BigWaylon]

...fixed a bunch of formatting issues, links, and pics...evidently they've been broken since the vb->xf conversion and I never noticed them and nobody ever mentioned them...

 

[JRHorne]

BW, thanks a ton for this. I have questions on who is considered a "trustee" and therefore for whom I would need to submit fingerprint cards. My trust is setup as follows:
Grantor: Me
Trustee: Me
Successor Trustee: Wife, if not her, Male best friend
Determiner of Incapacity: Sister
Beneficiary: Wife, then 2 year old son if she does not survive me
Custodian: Female Best Friend

As I understand it, that would mean I have to do fingerprint cards for me, wife, Male best friend, and Female best friend. If this is the case, then I am just going to make a new trust for my additional filings. Is that how everyone else is understanding it?

 

[BigWaylon]

@JRHorne

In general, it's Trustees only. Most trusts don't allow Successor Trustees or Beneficiaries to be in possession of the items, so they don't qualify as RPs. Not sure about Determiner of Incapacity or Custodian.

You could have the lawyer that wrote it look over it, along with the definition of RP.

 

[BigWaylon]

...and I'll add this. If the ATF determines you owe them info on an additional person, they'll most likely send you a letter. I saw a guy mention that sometime in the last couple weeks, when he forgot to include info from one of his RPs.

 

[JRHorne]

Thanks. I actually did the Trust myself through Quickens/Nolo. I will do some more digging. I figured I'd just send the application off and if they send a letter back, then I'll just do what they tell me. However I'd love to get it right the first time.

 

[JRHorne]

Quick update: based on my Google-foo yesterday, Successor Trustees are not required to have fingerprints submitted since they are not responsible parties until the death of the Grantor and Trustee(s). Since in this instance I am both Grantor and the only Trustee, at my death, the trust then flips to irrevocable, at which time the assets then become bequests at the direction of the trust, which means they'd be given to my beneficiaries as outlined. The one caveat is the section on a incapacity of the grantor to manage the trust, which then makes a successor trustee become the trustee. Technically that doesn't turn the trust to irrevocable, so that may be the reason my successor trustees are considered "responsible parties."

Bottom line, I have a lower that I plan on SBR'ing and filing paperwork for shortly, so hopefully I will have an specific answer to the above shortly. If I do some more digging and determine that the trust is likely to get kicked back, then I will just create a new gun trust going forward.

 

[Cameronswmp9]

BW, good stuff! This is my first time filling out these forms, and I hate all gov forms (just seem to be more complicated than they need to be). This made it super easy, and filled it out pretty quickly (the first one took a while of back and forth, the second and third just got copied).

My can form was filled out by Shawn, and I read it a few times, but this guide made it really easy!

Now just waiting on the ATF to send out the fingerprint cards, and I will send those and my infringement tax!

 

[BigWaylon]

@Cameronswmp9

Glad it helped. I haven't read through it in awhile...anything that needs to be clarified?

 

[Cameronswmp9]

@Cameronswmp9

Glad it helped. I haven't read through it in awhile...anything that needs to be clarified?

No, nothing that jumped out to me. Going along with the guide everything was straight forward and to the point. The "reason" threw me off, but I had to reread it to find it in the guide, it was a 'me' error and not an error in the guide.

 

[Zbizzle911]

@BigWaylon Do you know the address for the Col of the NCHP? Thats who scott sent my last F$ to for the CLEO notification and I wasn't sure what address to send it to. Also do you include a cover letter with it to the CLEO or just the forms?

 

[BigWaylon]

@BigWaylon Do you know the address for the Col of the NCHP? Thats who scott sent my last F$ to for the CLEO notification and I wasn't sure what address to send it to. Also do you include a cover letter with it to the CLEO or just the forms?

Isn't the name/address on the F4?

This is what I see online:
North Carolina Department of Public Safety
Attn: Colonel Glenn McNeill
Commander of State Highway Patrol
512 North Salisbury Street
Raleigh, NC 27604

No cover sheet, just the CLEO copy of the F1/F4 and 5320.23 (if applicable). Best result is they send them back. At that point, trash them or file them away, as you met the requirement to notify.

 

[Zbizzle911]

Isn't the name/address on the F4?

This is what I see online:
North Carolina Department of Public Safety
Attn: Colonel Glenn McNeill
Commander of State Highway Patrol
512 North Salisbury Street
Raleigh, NC 27604

No cover sheet, just the CLEO copy of the F1/F4 and 5320.23 (if applicable). Best result is they send them back. At that point, trash them or file them away, as you met the requirement to notify.

Lol I wasn’t smart enough to think to look at it. Sorry. Thanks for the slap to the back of the head!


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[JRHorne]

@BigWaylon

Going through this now and noticed a couple of things:
In the Form 1 for Entity section, you have this at the bottom:

2: Each remaining responsible person must send the CLEO Copy (no photo) of the completed RPQ to their respective CLEO, with photo affixed. No fingerprint cards are sent with these CLEO Notifications, and no copy of the F1.

I believe the requirement for CLEO is NO PHOTO, so maybe just delete that last part.

Also, I am sure it is obvious, but for the F1 and I guess F4 as well, the applicant needs to include a copy of their Trust.

EDIT: Actually, for the Trust, it says the following:

(4) Documentation of entity existence: (a) If the applicant is other than an
individual, the applicant must attach documentation evidencing the existence
and validity of the entity, which includes complete and unredacted copies
of partnership agreements, articles of incorporation, corporate registration,
declarations of trust with any trust schedules, attachments, exhibits, and
enclosures. (b) If the applicant entity has had an application approved as a
maker or transferee within the preceding 24 months of the date of filing
this application, and there has been no change to the documentation
evidencing the existence and validity of the entity previously provided,
the entity may provide a certification that the information has not been
changed since the prior approval and shall identify the application for which
the documentation had been submitted by form number, serial number, and
date approved.

 

[BigWaylon]

@BigWaylon

Going through this now and noticed a couple of things:
In the Form 1 for Entity section, you have this at the bottom:

2: Each remaining responsible person must send the CLEO Copy (no photo) of the completed RPQ to their respective CLEO, with photo affixed. No fingerprint cards are sent with these CLEO Notifications, and no copy of the F1.

I believe the requirement for CLEO is NO PHOTO, so maybe just delete that last part.

I'll look over that at some point today. It may have been a copy/paste error. Thanks for letting me know!

 

[JRHorne]

I'll look over that at some point today. It may have been a copy/paste error. Thanks for letting me know!

I think so, no biggie.

Also, rolling the prints was a real pain in the ass. Hopefully they don't kick it back to me saying "WTF did you do with these prints???"

 

[BigWaylon]

I think so, no biggie.

Also, rolling the prints was a real pain in the ass. Hopefully they don't kick it back to me saying "WTF did you do with these prints???"

Did you make a digital scan afterwards? If so, you could never have to go through it again.

 

[JRHorne]

Did you make a digital scan afterwards? If so, you could never have to go through it again.

Ohhhh tell me more. If I digitally scan, how can I get them onto the cards every time? And no, I bought an inkless pad and did them myself. I know that Durham County did mine digitally when I got my CC permit.

 

[BigWaylon]

Ohhhh tell me more. If I digitally scan, how can I get them onto the cards every time? And no, I bought an inkless pad and did them myself. I know that Durham County did mine digitally when I got my CC permit.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/...ssions/17-465636/?page=5&anc=4922594#i4933225

Some people scan just the prints and then print them on FP cards. Some include the lines/words in the scan and print on blank card stock.

 

[BigWaylon]

...and I'd guess you could probably even pay somebody with the digital equipment to scan yours once and print a card (even if you have to pay), and use that "clean" copy as your master copy.

 

[JRHorne]

I have Adobe Pro at work, so seems like I need to find a way to get my prints done digitally and get them built into a form. maybe I can just do them on white paper and then scan at a high DPI, then scan the finger print card in and use it as my "template" for the prints and information, then print directly to cards.

I'll see what I can come up with and if it works, I will share the PDF template with everyone here. Or maybe I will build them custom for folks for a small fee (gotta afford my own tax stamps, after all!)