Help Needed!! BIL Just Got Arrested Carrying in NJ

If you’re a praying person, please do so. His hearing’s the first week in March, their family’s a wreck.
Thanks to y’all Nappen’s been hired, $10K if there isn’t a trial. The other two considerations were $5K & $15K.
My BIL’s business does a lot of Gov’t work, if it’s not exponged he’ll lose his start up as well.
What’s the best way to help with a GoFundMe type project? My understanding is they’re not an option.
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
Why would a GoFundMe not be an option? He is a political prisoner and I'm not making light of the situation. A GoFundMe page would seem to be totally ok. I looked and saw many asking for help with legal fees.
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I thought they would have nothing to do with criminal or anything involving firearms.
I’ll look into it. Thanks!
 
BlackGun said:
This is how we should react. This man needs help. He was exercising his rights given by men over 200 years ago.

I think we should call our senators and ask them to get Trump to pardon him on day one of any jail time if it goes that far.
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Man this current state of affairs for our country is pathetic. We have to call our political overlords and ask for forgiveness. It's a cruel joke. Sounds like the man doesn't deserve this treatment. Very sickening.
 
Is this leagal? said:
Man this current state of affairs for our country is pathetic. We have to call our political overlords and ask for forgiveness. It's a cruel joke. Sounds like the man doesn't deserve this treatment. Very sickening.
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It frigging ridiculous!! He’s one of the nicest, give you the shirt off his back softie you’ve met.
It seems the SCOTUS ruling over DC stating they’d stepped on the 2nd amendment would set precedent over NJ.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
It frigging ridiculous!! He’s one of the nicest, give you the shirt off his back softie you’ve met.
It seems the SCOTUS ruling over DC stating they’d stepped on the 2nd amendment would set precedent over NJ.
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It might but it will have to go through the courts to determine that and unfortunately that will take a lot longer then this guy has.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
If you’re a praying person, please do so. His hearing’s the first week in March, their family’s a wreck.
Thanks to y’all Nappen’s been hired, $10K if there isn’t a trial. The other two considerations were $5K & $15K.
My BIL’s business does a lot of Gov’t work, if it’s not exponged he’ll lose his start up as well.
What’s the best way to help with a GoFundMe type project? My understanding is they’re not an option.
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What did the lawyer say he is facing with a plea deal Vs going to trial?
 
I too hate it for him but I can't understand why anyone with a carry permit wouldn't know that the northeast is very gun unfriendly, especially someone that lives there! Best of luck to him.
 
SPST said:
Sounds like he would lose his gov contract if he does that. IDK.
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Government contract vs possible mandatory prison time if you lose.

I would lose the contract if I could stay out of prison. After all this is a lose lose case until it goes to the Supreme Court. So the government contract is gone.
 
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Bailey Boat said:
Not too bright, but a nice guy..... right..

I won't be making any donations to a GFM acct, man KNEW it was against the law and did it anyway.....
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Gotcha, I’ll mark you off the “Can count on” list.
He definitely failed to engage his brain. Too late to change that now.
If he’s locked up, we’ll end up housing his fam, wife, daughters, son, dog.
If so, I’ll be more ornery than you.
 
Cowboy said:
Government contract vs possible mandatory prison time if you lose.

I would lose the contract if I could stay out of prison. After all this is a lose lose case until it goes to the Supreme Court. So the government contract is gone.
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He’ll lose the ability to bid on contracts. He just completed the exterior on the new Durham police dept.
 
Bailey Boat said:
...man KNEW it was a right defined as such by the highest law of the land and did it anyway.....
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FIFY

Maybe he didn't think this through or weigh the risks and probabilities, or made a different assessment than I would have, but free people do free things.

For me, NJ ain't a hill to die on.

Today. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
 
Have you or he spoken with the folks at the NRA? The situation is terribly unfortunate, and it likely won’t help him, but it might be a good test case for the Supreme Court.

I wonder if a federal court would issue an injunction preventing the lower court from proceeding with the trial until the constitutional issue is resolved? Problems with this include that it might be a stupid idea, and it’s certainly far more expensive than the family can afford.

I do have some folks that want to follow the litigation, do you have a case reference?

And for the folks unwilling to help, I agree that he was an idiot, but if this turns into the case that SCOTUS takes up, it could shape gun rights for generations to come...so don’t be spiteful towards the poor guy and cut off our collective nose in the process.
 
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Cowboy said:
What did the lawyer say he is facing with a plea deal Vs going to trial?
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I don't see how he thinks he could win in a trial. He was stopped and informed the LEO he had a firearm. NO illegal searches, etc. A trial would just be a further waste of money. He could only hope since he is a first time offender his attorney might be able to negotiate a lessor sentence. Unless N.J. has a mandatory sentence for firearms.
 
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Jim1392 said:
I don't see how he thinks he could win in a trial. He was stopped and informed the LEO he had a firearm. NO illegal searches, etc. A trial would just be a further waste of money. He could only hope since he is a first time offender his attorney might be able to negotiate a lessor sentence. Unless N.J. has a mandatory sentence for firearms.
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That's exactly my point. But if you have to drag it out in hopes of a jury understanding the difference in a plea deal and a Guilty Verdict by a jury could be very significant. With both ending in him as a felon.
 
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JimB said:
Have you or he spoken with the folks at the NRA? The situation is terribly unfortunate, and it likely won’t help him, but it might be a good test case for the Supreme Court.

I wonder if a federal court would issue an injunction preventing the lower court from proceeding with the trial until the constitutional issue is resolved? Problems with this include that it might be a stupid idea, and it’s certainly far more expensive than the family can afford.

I do have some folks that want to follow the litigation, do you have a case reference?

And for the folks unwilling to help, I agree that he was an idiot, but if this turns into the case that SCOTUS takes up, it could shape gun rights for generations to come...so don’t be spiteful towards the poor guy and cut off our collective nose in the process.
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I'll ask for details.
 
Bailey Boat said:
Not too bright, but a nice guy..... right..

I won't be making any donations to a GFM acct, man KNEW it was against the law and did it anyway.....
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I hear what you are saying but there are many who carry in places here in NC and SC that are posted. Would you give to one of those if say they were caught in a church? Lots of church carriers on here.
 
OK. I got in late on this one. But the OP's BIL has a good attorney on his side, but NJ ain't the forgiving type.
For the rest of yous guys, what I do is pay for prepaid legal through a company that has attorney's in the states that I travel to or through.
At the least if I get a traffic ticket in a far away place I don't have to go back to face the music, my prepaid attorney shows up for that. Now if it is something more serious then it will cost you more than the monthly fee, but if they lock you up their closest attorney can come and help you get out of jail.
So you guys that travel some, think about doing something like that. At least you don't have to search for an attorney in the middle of the night in a small town far away.
It even covered my dependent kids, like my daughter while in college in Wilmington, who got enough tickets to sink me if I hadn't had the coverage.
There are a lot of law firms that offer this, just check it out with your google box. it just might save you some grief. I get mine through work and is less than $20 a month.
 
Cowboy said:
That's exactly my point. But if you have to drag it out in hopes of a jury understanding the difference in a plead deal and a Guilty Verdict by a jury could be very significant. With both ending in him as a felon.
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It sucks that this is what we've become. It looks like to me... Possessing a gun, is a criminal offence for law abiding citizens. Even if no criminal activity or intent has been displayed. Good luck in the New United Police States of America.
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
I hear what you are saying but there are many who carry in places here in NC and SC that are posted. Would you give to one of those if say they were caught in a church? Lots of church carriers on here.
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Since when is it illegal to carry in a NC church unless the church prohibits it?
 
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Cowboy said:
That's exactly my point. But if you have to drag it out in hopes of a jury understanding the difference in a plea deal and a Guilty Verdict by a jury could be very significant. With both ending in him as a felon.
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I also imagine the DA will have a huge appetite to pursue what they see as a very winnable a case like this, so I wonder if the plea offer ( if there is one) will suck as well.
Meanwhile, in East Orange gangs are owning their own neighborhoods unfettered.
 
I now have the same reaction when I see a NE plate as I would seeing a hijab wearer with a wired switch in hand. Those that come here to escape the restrictive high tax lifestyle THEY created, and continue with the yank attitude and voting pattern are the enemy to liberty.
To my brothers that embrace liberty, please know you're welcomed with open arms.
Never owned a confederate flag, now I want to fly one over the house, on the car, etc... but that's not very grey of me.
 
Goofyfoot2001 said:
I hear what you are saying but there are many who carry in places here in NC and SC that are posted. Would you give to one of those if say they were caught in a church? Lots of church carriers on here.
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Church carry in NC is legal. Leadership knows of 10+% of our congregation is armed.
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Church carry in NC is legal. Leadership knows of 10+% of our congregation is armed.
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We have signs on our doors letting everyone know that we have an armed security team present at every service.
 
What got him pulled over?

Any way to know if NJ was aware of his NC permit at time of being pulled over?
 
Pink_Vapor said:
Mandatory 5 year prison is what they're telling me.
Magazine over 6 capacity= felony
Hollow point bullet= felony
He had the gun, two 10+ cap mags and 20 HP rounds.
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Unfortunately, when a man is faced with that much time... The plea deal is gonna look real enticing. It's totally unconstitutional what is happening to this man. I'll tell you this... Tell your friend to hope and pray for the best, but expect the worst. If... For some reason, he does find himself in prison, give him this piece of advice... Believe nothing you hear, and only half of what see.
 
Is this leagal? said:
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This is entirely off topic, but if I am remembering correctly, NYC apparently has the assistance of federal agents/officers (TSA) with the enforcement of state and local laws, but is refusing to allow state and local agents/officers to assist with the enforcement of federal laws, specifically immigration laws.

TSA needs to get out of that business.
 
Any lawyer worth his salt will get it all dropped to a single charge and pled to time served and probation. Assuming he really is a first time/clean record offender and as reputable as the OP says. That said, he's going to have a record. Question is will it be a felony or can some magic be done and make it a misdemeanor. They let him go (and leave the state) initially. That says they aren't out to crucify him as an example. He did a very stupid thing he should have known better than, though. He's gotta pay the fiddler something...
 
I hear that the worst thing about GoFundMe is how much they take off the top.
 
JimB said:
This is entirely off topic, but if I am remembering correctly, NYC apparently has the assistance of federal agents/officers (TSA) with the enforcement of state and local laws, but is refusing to allow state and local agents/officers to assist with the enforcement of federal laws, specifically immigration laws.

TSA needs to get out of that business.
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Agreed.
 
Mike Overlay said:
What got him pulled over?

Any way to know if NJ was aware of his NC permit at time of being pulled over?
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That would be the only factor I can see having any influence on the situation. I seriously doubt it sees the light though if that's why he was pulled. From the OP's statement, he informed, he wasn't asked. So, sounds moot either way at this point. I did stay at a holiday inn only once though...
 
Sorry my response wasn't very popular with the masses but you guys KNOW as well as I do that guns in the NE are just asking for trouble, NJ in particular. As to his Gov't contracts, can you say good bye?? Even if he transfers the business to his wife she may or may not be approved and if she is he will be forbidden to do any work for the company. Convicted felons can't get performance bonds or bonds of any type required to conduct gov't related business. Then let's talk liability insurance.... no let's don't.....
 
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