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The Colt SAA is not a very good gun.

There, I said it. It was a middling revolver when it was acquired in 1872, and it was hopelessly outdated well before it was replaced in 1892.

Pre-1872:

<---it's 1878, but really a modified 1872.







Early in the SAA life time:








Late:





All of these were superior to the SAA. Either because they were Double Action, or faster/easier to load, more robust, etc.
The Europeans just made better revolvers than us. We were a lot like the Japanese pre-Admiral Perry, isolated, so little innovation.

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Of the listed alternatives, ONLY the Webly is worth the powder and primer to shoot it.

Show me one of the listed alternatives that is still in production, and still loaded for....... Other than the SAA, not a single one.

And I'm not even an SAA fan........

Just say'n.......
 
Of the listed alternatives, ONLY the Webly is worth the powder and primer to shoot it.

Show me one of the listed alternatives that is still in production, and still loaded for....... Other than the SAA, not a single one.

And I'm not even an SAA fan........

Just say'n.......
The SAA is only still in production because of Cowboy Weeb fans.

By that criteria, the Walther PP(the spy weeb gun) is a better pistol than the FN High Power, cause no one is still making it(the new FN Hi power is not the same, and the Springfield is different). :p
 
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Merely using your logic.
You compared the SAA to the European revolvers, and judged their worthiness based on if they were still in production, using that as a point of value, and not considering cultural zeitgeist reasons that might allow an inferior product to stay in production.

I merely used your same criteria, pointing out two similar pistols that existed in the same era together, and pointed out how the inferior one persists for cultural reasons.

:p
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Chamelot-Delvigne...used by the French, world class losers!

Swiss 1882...a 7.5mm rat gun!

Tranter 1868...an underpowered .38 in a world otherwise dominated by bigger bore weapons.

Traner 1879...another underpowered .38.

S&W No. 3 Russian...the underpowered precursor to what later became the .45 Schofield revolver, itself underpowered compared to the .45 Colt.

Gasser 1870...crappy design that lent itself to easy damage and failure and really crappy ergonomics.

The Webley was a fine revolver, but muzzle velocities quite frankly put it in the underpowered cowboy shooting competition range at maybe 650 fps range.


But most importantly, all these have one other thing in common that they do not share with the Colt SAA: They're all butt-ugly.

The Colt SAA design lent itself to an inherently stronger frame than many of the others above, which only grew stronger as metallurgy improved with time. And as for actions like the double action trigger...no biggie, as plenty of other non-break frame designs later incorporated that as well.


Anyway, thanks for the laugh! It was an excellent trolling effort!
 
But most importantly, all these have one other thing in common that they do not share with the Colt SAA: They're all butt-ugly.
As if, Becky.

Remington 1875:
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Chad revolver with clean, swooping lines.




Colt Single Action Army:

Virgin turkey necked revolver.
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@pinkbunny, I’m happy you’re finally comparing apples to apples with the solid-frame wheelguns, but even more than that, I’m just amazed that a blind person has adapted so well to using the internet.

The only differences in “lines” between the Colt and the Remington are the well-sculpted stocks of the Colt and the stretched-out underbarrel “neckskin” of the Remington.
 
As if, Becky.

Remington 1875:
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Chad revolver with clean, swooping lines.




Colt Single Action Army:

Virgin turkey necked revolver.
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That's nice. But your posting is invalid.

You posted a number of revolvers and then made the claim "All of these were superior to the SAA."

When I respond to what you ACTUALLY posted, you can't come along afterwards and toss up something else entirely and then claim I'm wrong or that my posting is somehow meaningless.


BUT...since you want to go that route, I'll play your silly game.

You posted the Remington 1875. If you'll look very closely at this model, you'll find that it came AFTER the Colt 1873.

This was Remington's foray into the single action cartridge revolver business and while it was clearly based on the previous cap and ball Remington 1858, it quite obviously was heavily influenced by the road already paved by the Colt 1873.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

See, Remington wasn't really all that happy with leaving it at the 1875...they went on to make the M1888 and the M1890, each of which (and this may come as a shock to you) morphed closer to the Colt 1873 in appearance.

All three models of which, mind you, were of the "inferior" single action, gate loading, non-break-top design which you seem to despise so much in your OP!


Quite frankly, you're embarassing me with the sudden lack of trolling finesse compared to your opening post! This is WAY below CFF standards! Better up your game there!

;)


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Sorry...I forgot to post pics of the Remington 1888 and 1890. Here are a couple, in that order.

Things that make you say "Hmmm..."

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The Remington 1875’s “turkey neck” was supposed to help with holstering. Doesn’t do much for aesthetics, but at least they were thinking outside the box.

Interestingly, Colt’s original proposal to the US Army for its new cavalry cartridge revolver was the 1871 Open Top. The army demanded it become more like the Remington 1858 and have a solid frame. Thus, the SAA/Model P/Model 1873 was born.
 
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That's nice. But your posting is invalid.

You posted a number of revolvers and then made the claim "All of these were superior to the SAA."

When I respond to what you ACTUALLY posted, you can't come along afterwards and toss up something else entirely and then claim I'm wrong or that my posting is somehow meaningless.


BUT...since you want to go that route, I'll play your silly game.

You posted the Remington 1875. If you'll look very closely at this model, you'll find that it came AFTER the Colt 1873.

This was Remington's foray into the single action cartridge revolver business and while it was clearly based on the previous cap and ball Remington 1858, it quite obviously was heavily influenced by the road already paved by the Colt 1873.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

See, Remington wasn't really all that happy with leaving it at the 1875...they went on to make the M1888 and the M1890, each of which (and this may come as a shock to you) morphed closer to the Colt 1873 in appearance.

All three models of which, mind you, were of the "inferior" single action, gate loading, non-break-top design which you seem to despise so much in your OP!


Quite frankly, you're embarassing me with the sudden lack of trolling finesse compared to your opening post! This is WAY below CFF standards! Better up your game there!

;)


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Sorry...I forgot to post pics of the Remington 1888 and 1890. Here are a couple, in that order.

Things that make you say "Hmmm..."

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Oh, my dear, dear sir. I'm so sorry you were unable to grasp my brilliance. Let me condescend for you, briefly, to bring us up to the current day.

In the beginning, there was the first troll post. Darkness was over the surface of the deep, and into this came PB, pointing out the era that the Colt served as the main pistol(yes, I am going to call it that) of the US Army. And the clearly technologically superior pistol of many of the countries of Europe during that time. And yea, it was good, for much historical knowledge was shared of little known history.

Into this came USCM, dark of haired, destined to carry the crown of aquilonia upon a troubled brow. And he sayeth that these be false prophets, as Pietta doth still make some weird copies of the Peacemaker for some reason.
The pink one, blessed be the name of the prophet, points out the obvious parallels to other firearms still in production compared to similar ones of their era, and how just using production as a sign of superiority is not a good idea. And yea, it was logical, and so it was good.

So, too, came JRV, but he was ignored, for reloading is sorcery, and all such talk of the devil is shunned.

Then came RetiredUSNChief, -- hold up, here's an aside, something that happened last week. So, I was in a big AAR, a 'consolidated gains,' last week. We had some downtime, and a major said to another, 'So, Major ___, any advice for the company grade officers?' I, apparently have a voice that carries, so when I whispered, 'Practice how to ignore the technical people,' that must've carried, and the CW4 sittting in front of me turned around and gave me the death stare. They must have a class on that.
-Anywho, then came RetiredUSNChief, the singer who, like Melkor, attempted to bring discord into the music of the Ainur. And subtly did he attempt to weave his deceptions. He spoke pithy oneliners, to write off the glories of the past. He brings up metallurgy and strength of actions, leaving out that metallurgy was potato in 1870, and strength of action was a useless dead end, because they thing it needs strength for, smokeless powder, wasn't evented until a decade and a half later, and that falls into the fallacy of presentism.
Then he mocks the aesthetic beauty of the Swiss and Abadie revolvers, with they art-deco-esc fusion of steel and brass into a panoply of beauty, and argues that the revolting Peacemaker is a thing of comeliness when compared to the statuesque beauty of the clearly superior European pistols.
Boldly and forthrightly, the bunny ignores the false jeers and false proposed technical prowess of the SAA by the Chief, and answers only with the esoteric complaint, that of beauty. The bunny has seen his beloved European revolvers slandered in the beauty factor and so decides to use a page from the playbook of the enemy.
If only American revolvers can be beautiful, which is obviously wrong, then the bunny will show the obviously more beautiful Remington with the flange reminiscent of the cap and ball guns, with their brass and steel amalgamations, harkening back to a more beautiful, civilized time. He points out the terrible turkey neck the SAA has hanging out there, compared to the beautiful swept lines of the Remington. Obviously, still inferior to the European ones, but, since the people hear have conceded the superiority of the European revolvers from a technical standpoint, all that's left is arguing the aesthetics.

And lo, the depravity of man is shown. For the poor, deluded fools, in their debased state, view the Remington as the ugly duckling with the turkey neck, and not the SAA. They shall not gaslight the good people of the forum, for the light of day shows their awful plight laid bare.

Into this returns the Chief, with another attempt at confuse-a-cat. He attempts to shift goal posts, by arguing that it is I, not him, who gave up the high ground from a technical perspective, fie on it! He then gaslights the thread. The first post showed a range of dates during the lifespan of the Colt, and Chief attempts to reframe the argument as having to have been only something of prior work to be valid, a prima facie false statement, especially in the nearness of the dates. But Illuvatar shaped the second song around the discord of Melkor, defeating his barbs, and so too shall it always be with the Chief.

:p
 
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Into this returns the Chief, master of all that he sees, purveyor of all that is right and good, speaking words of wisdom: let it be. And when the night is cloudy, there is still a light that shines on me, shine on 'til tomorrow: let it be. For as I have spoken, so shall it be.

You were too abysmally wordy and rambled on stringing words together in random, nonsensical phrases. So I fixed it for you.

😁
 
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The SW Schofield was a better combat revolver than the SAA. For the 'from the back of a horse' distances involved in close cavalry melee it had all the power needed and was significantly quicker to unload and load. As a general cowpoke gun the SAA gets the nod.
 
Now now.... if we want to talk about which revolver is *not* the prettiest, let me provide this image so everyone can be friends again:View attachment 523816
I see you and raise you the Dardick Revolver, which shoots triangular cartridges.

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Now now.... if we want to talk about which revolver is *not* the prettiest, let me provide this image so everyone can be friends again:View attachment 523816

Actually, I find a level of beauty in this that's pretty unique!

I'll be the muzzle rise is minimal on this, too, based on the barrel's axial alignment.
 
I see you and raise you the Dardick Revolver, which shoots triangular cartridges.

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I'll bet the ammo for this is a wee bit hard to find, though it appears they made a version which used tround adapters which accepted standard .38 caliber cartridges.

I would love to have one.
 
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