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Thought I would share this - I'll try to keep this short: I just found out that an acquaintance of our family had their home broken in to a week or so ago. The mom and son were the only ones at home. Mom leaves to go run errands and leaves the son home alone because he's sick. As mom is pulling out of the drive, she notices a car parked across the road at a vacant home. She gets a mile down the road and starts getting a bad feeling. She calls the son to tell him about the car and to make sure the door is locked. As the son is going to check the door, he screams to his mom (he still has her on the phone) that the car is backing into their carport. Mom tells him to go hide and then hangs up to call their neighbor. She also turns around to head back home. At that point, an individual kicks in the door and starts ransacking the house. The perp goes through about every room tossing drawers (except, thankfully, the room the son is hiding in). Shortly thereafter, mom pulls back in the drive and starts laying on the horn. The inside perp hears this, runs and jumps back into the car (their was a second perp who stayed in the car the whole time). The driver then floors the car in reverse, sideswipes the mom's car while backing out, and they leave.

Long story short, everyone is fine other than the property damage, some items were stolen, and the emotional distress. What struck me the most was that this all happened in less than 5 minutes from the time mom left till she got back. It's one thing to hear things like this in the news, but puts it in a whole different perspective when it happens to someone you know. It also shows how quickly life can take a turn for the worse. Stay safe.
 
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It happened to one of my college kids at 4AM a couple of years ago. He decided to engage the two armed perps hand to hand. The worst that happened was him getting pistol whipped in the side of his hard head, and they stole an expensive mac laptop.

Dumbasses left an ounce of weed in the middle of the floor. Guess it fell out of their pockets in the melee.

Scary business.
 
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Glad everyone is okay. She happen to get a plate?
 
Glad they are ok.

Leads me to a question, if she would have pulled in, blocked them, had a weapon, and they tried to push her car/hit it, would she have cause to drop the POS, or just have to sit back while he Rams the car trying to escape?
 
jmccracken1214 said:
Glad they are ok.

Leads me to a question, if she would have pulled in, blocked them, had a weapon, and they tried to push her car/hit it, would she have cause to drop the POS, or just have to sit back while he Rams the car trying to escape?
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Judge, he tried to run over me when I got out of my car to see who was at my house. I feared for my life and fired several shots.
 
JimB said:
Glad everyone is okay. She happen to get a plate?
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Unfortunately, no she didn't get a plate. She said she was beyond coherent thought because she had no idea if her son was ok. Forgot to mention - the son said while he was hiding he heard a couple of loud thumps followed by their dog yelping........ the b@s+ard acutally took the time to kick their dog.
 
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SPST said:
Is the house isolated or do they have neighbors close by?
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Not what you would consider rural, but definitely not like a sub-division. There are only about 5-7 houses within 500 yards. This happened during the week around noon BTW in broad daylight, and their house only sits about 150-200 feet off of the road in plain view. These were some brazen dirtbags.
 
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jmccracken1214 said:
Glad they are ok.

Leads me to a question, if she would have pulled in, blocked them, had a weapon, and they tried to push her car/hit it, would she have cause to drop the POS, or just have to sit back while he Rams the car trying to escape?
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I'm getting all this second hand, but I'm told that the mom said that trying to block them in was the only other thought she had other than worrying about her son. She said she decided against it because she wanted them gone and not cornered. She feared what they might do to her son if they had him and felt like they were cornered.

I had the same thought about blocking them in with the car, but now believe she did the right thing since at the time she still didn't know if her son was ok.
 
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Railsplitter said:
I'm getting all this second hand, but I'm told that the mom said that trying to block them in was the only other thought she had other than worrying about her son. She said she decided against it because she wanted them gone and not cornered. She feared what they might do to her son if they had him and felt like they were cornered.

I had the same thought about blocking them in with the car, but now believe she did the right thing since at the time she still didn't know if her son was ok.
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Sounds like clear headed thinking in the middle of extreme panic to me. Good on her.
 
jmccracken1214 said:
Glad they are ok.

Leads me to a question, if she would have pulled in, blocked them, had a weapon, and they tried to push her car/hit it, would she have cause to drop the POS, or just have to sit back while he Rams the car trying to escape?
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While she would have to answer every question right, the way the castle doctrine reads she would have most likely been covered. Curtilage is included in your home and the assumption that anyone invading said space, especially in a violent manner with her son in the home, is there to cause bodily harm is granted.

However, I think from a legal standpoint she wouldn't want to block them in. That would give the impression that she wanted a confrontation and to execute the men.

But if she had parked, leaving room for them to flee, got out of the car with gun in hand and shot the guy as he came out of the door, she would have been OK.
 
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Judge, he tried to run over me when I got out of my car to see who was at my house. I feared for my life and fired several shots.
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It wouldnt work. She would have prevented them from fleeing and to the court that would be reinitiating the event so she did not have the right to deadly force. Always have duty to flee before use of deadly force.

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RaceRedGT said:
It wouldnt work. She would have prevented them from fleeing and to the court that would be reinitiating the event so she did not have the right to deadly force. Always have duty to flee before use of deadly force.
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No duty to retreat in NC or SC.
Because you're in SC, here's a link to the changed Castle Doctrine
http://www.sled.sc.gov/ProtectionOfPeople.aspx?MenuID=CWP

The bill provides that there is no duty to retreat if (1) the person is in a place where he has a right to be, including the person’s place of business, (2) the person is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and (3) the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime. A person who lawfully uses deadly force is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action, unless the person against whom deadly force was used is a law enforcement officer acting in the performance of his official duties and he identifies himself in accordance with applicable law or the person using deadly force knows or reasonably should have known the person is a law enforcement officer.

H.4301 (R412) was signed by the Governor on June 9, 2006.
 
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RaceRedGT said:
Castle doctrine doesn't work in your yard. You have to be under a covered portion of your house.

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Unless they are firing on you but thats different situation. In this one she had the duty to retreat

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RaceRedGT said:
Unless they are firing on you but thats different situation. In this one she had the duty to retreat

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And I quote from the SLED website
"no duty to retreat if (1) the person is in a place where he has a right to be"

as in

The bill provides that there is no duty to retreat if (1) the person is in a place where he has a right to be, including the person’s place of business, (2) the person is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and (3) the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily injury, or the commission of a violent crime.
 
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RaceRedGT said:
If they were trying to escape and she blocked them in and shot them then she would go to jail. Thats the bottom line.

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I am about 100% sure you are wrong. Look up the castle laws in your home state. Immunity from prosecution using deadly force to prevent a violent crime. Running into you after robbing someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon.
 
Ikarus1 said:
I am about 100% sure you are wrong. Look up the castle laws in your home state. Immunity from prosecution using deadly force to prevent a violent crime. Running into you after robbing someone is considered assault with a deadly weapon.
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Protection of property is absolutely 0 grounds to use deadly force. Only to protect yourself or others

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RaceRedGT said:
Protection of property is absolutely 0 grounds to use deadly force. Only to protect yourself or others

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Except that in a castle doctrine state, breaking into an occupied home IS grounds for deadly force. You think if I block the doorway coming home and shoot a robber, that's not grounds for deadly force?

I would suggest brushing up on your castle law and or take a CHP course.

Breaking into a motel room, car, camper, tent, etc all covered including the curtilage.
 
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Tailhunter said:
Either you are a troll or you do not understand what is involved with raising children.
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No, you do not understand the position I am coming from. I'm talking strictly legal. If someone robs you and then runs away you cannot shoot them in the back. If these people were leaving and you reinitiate the conflict to use deadly force then you are wrong in the eyes of the law. Do I agree with it? No, but thats how they see it.

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Ikarus1 said:
Except that in a castle doctrine state, breaking into an occupied home IS grounds for deadly force. You think if I block the doorway coming home and shoot a robber, that's not grounds for deadly force?

I would suggest brushing up on your castle law and or take a CHP course.

Breaking into a motel room, car, camper, tent, etc all covered including the curtilage.
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Ok, thats under your covered roof of your house. Totally different situation. I am only talking about this specific instance with this woman.

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