How fast and accurate can you be?

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My shooting buddy and I were sitting around this afternoon in the AC drinking a few adult beverages and looking outside at our range and the rain coming down and got to pondering. We try to avoid pondering as much as possible but occasionally it does happen. Our discussion was based on how quickly one could hit all of the targets. We have 12 inch steel plates hung at 200, 300, 350, 400, 450 500, 550, and 600 yards. That's 8 targets. We came to the conclusion that we should try to reach a goal of 2 minutes for all 8 targets. Basically one hit every 15 seconds. One can either use their reticle or dial ups. For you experienced PRS guys, is this doable, to fast, to slow?
 
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I wouldn't consider myself an "experienced PRS guy", but I still think 15sec/shot is a long time if you know your dopes. 15sec gives you time for 2-3 shots per target without really rushing.

I recall doing some drills with .22 irons at 25/50/100yd, 10 shots total in 60sec and it seemed like a ton of time. I could've shot it twice.
 
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We have bolt guns. Thanks for all of the replies. From most of the comments it appears that not only is it doable but on the slow side. :confused: We also have a 4 inch steel hung at the 600 yard line just for shitzngiggles. :p

We're all new to this game so we''ll just have to try it and see. Some of the targets are staggered (left and right side) so you have to swing your gun around between shots. And some of us only have a 5 round capacity which means they will have to load the last few rounds single shot style. For us old geezers I think it will be quite a challenge. :D
 
With a spotter, a good range dog, a iced down cooler of beer and a promise of some nanner poodin when I gettem all....... oh yeah ....... easy in under an hour.

We have everything covered except for the nanner poodin...
 
The Great One could likely do most of it offhand and get the long ones off a barrier.

Likely he would get all the targets in less than 15 seconds and have time for a beer afterword!

 
Now, I am not trying to over flaunt my skills.. not at all. There are many many more competitors that beat the hell out of me. Two on this board without breathing hard.

12" Targets are huge. I run a Gas Gun.. so no bolt manipulation. I was considering one position, no shifts or running.

I do not dial and those yardages are key mil holds for me.


I would think with @JBoyette instruction, you would be cracking 14 seconds with a gas and 20 seconds with a bolt within a week!
 
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Seen dudes out at Woodys DMM match who could easily do it. Country boys with fancy boltguns and them newfangled wildcat cheater loads.

Personally, if I started today, I'd probably still be there next week dumping rounds at them!
 
Long ago, with known distances and just a light breeze, the first 5 would be about 30 seconds ... reload ... next 2 say another 15 seconds ... reload ... the last maybe 15 seconds. If you know your data and zeroed correctly 2 minutes is very doable so half that would be a good goal.
 
With a little practice I could see hitting all targets in less than a minute this way.

I say 400yds because you want to cut the dope in half typically.

Let's play a game here. Let's say your dope in mil is with a 100yd Z:

100 - 0
200- .3
300 - 1.1
400 - 2.1
500 - 3.2
600 - 4.5
700 - 5.9


If I pick 400 now as a zero I add / subtract my 400yd dope from the above list.

100 - -2.1
200- -1.8
300 - -1.1

400 - 0

500 - 1.1
600 - 2.4
700 - 3.8

 
I say 400yds because you want to cut the dope in half typically.

Let's play a game here. Let's say your dope in mil is with a 100yd Z:

100 - 0
200- .3
300 - 1.1
400 - 2.1
500 - 3.2
600 - 4.5
700 - 5.9


If I pick 400 now as a zero I add / subtract my 400yd dope from the above list.

100 - -2.1
200- -1.8
300 - -1.1

400 - 0

500 - 1.1
600 - 2.4
700 - 3.8
^^ This...
 
Pretty nifty. I just checked my DOPE. My rifle has a 200 yard zero. The reason being that we rarely ever shoot closer than 200 yards. :D Basically it shoots 1.5 inches high at 100.

In MILS...
200 0.0
250 0.3
300 0.7
350 1.1
400 1.6
450 2.0
500 2.5
550 3.0
600 3.6

Once I get to 300 I may be able to just add 0.5 MIL/50 yards out to 600. Not sure if I can hold steady at the 0.1 MIL level with the reticle to hit though?
 
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Pretty nifty. I just checked my DOPE. My rifle has a 200 yard zero. The reason being that we rarely ever shoot closer than 200 yards. :D Basically it shoots 1.5 inches high at 100.

In MILS...
200 0.0
250 0.3
300 0.7
350 1.1
400 1.6
450 2.0
500 2.5
550 3.0
600 3.6

Once I get to 300 I may be able to just add 0.5 MIL/50 yards out to 600. Not sure if I can hold steady at the 0.1 MIL level with the reticle to hit though?

What rifle and caliber?
 
I have a magazine fed Howa with a heavy barrel in 6.5 CM. My other 6.5 CM is a Win 70 with a 26 inch Krieger, but it has an internal magazine and I'm limited to 5 rounds. The dope listed is for the Howa with 140 grain Berger's. .
 
Pretty nifty. I just checked my DOPE. My rifle has a 200 yard zero. The reason being that we rarely ever shoot closer than 200 yards. :D Basically it shoots 1.5 inches high at 100.

In MILS...
200 0.0
250 0.3
300 0.7
350 1.1
400 1.6
450 2.0
500 2.5
550 3.0
600 3.6

Once I get to 300 I may be able to just add 0.5 MIL/50 yards out to 600. Not sure if I can hold steady at the 0.1 MIL level with the reticle to hit though?

Look at the bold red quoted area.

Why did you convert your Mil dope to inch value?

Why did you not just say .5mil high? Or .5 mil hold under?

I would love to do a private class at your range for you and your friends.
 
I also want to point out that a zero is not a fixed distance / optical setting.

Think of a zero as a starting point for target engagement dependant on the factors.

As a example I could zero out my turret at 300yds. When hunting a 10" kill zone critters I would dial down to 175yd dope and go point blank untill the belly to back strap is over 2mil then it's a +1 mil hold

Think about that.

Dope / zero is a flexible intersection of bullet path and line of sight
 
"Why did you convert your Mil dope to inch value?"
LOL! Yea, I thought of that after I replied. Old habits (including the bad one's) die hard. For years I zeroed my rifles high at 100 (usually 1.5 to 1.8 inches). That would put me in the kill zone out to 300 yards. This long range shooting is a new endeavor for my friends and I. Thank you JB for the the tip on the scope/dope zero. I never really though about it that way. As for a private class I doubt we could afford it. We would be lucky to cover the beer and "nanner poodin". ;)

Right now there are 3 of us that are "serious" about long range shooting, with 2 more on the fringe getting their rifles, scopes, and ammo squared away.
 
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"Why did you convert your Mil dope to inch value?"
LOL! Yea, I thought of that after I replied. Old habits (including the bad one's) die hard. For years I zeroed my rifles high at 100 (usually 1.5 to 1.8 inches). That would put me in the kill zone out to 300 yards. This long range shooting is a new endeavor for my friends and I. Thank you JB for the the tip on the scope/dope zero. I never really though about it that way. As for a private class I doubt we could afford it. We would be lucky to cover the beer and "nanner poodin". ;)

Right now there are 3 of us that are "serious" about long range shooting, with 2 more on the fringe getting their rifles, scopes, and ammo squared away.

Cover my gas too and from. $75 a hr after that. Divide the total among the whole group.
I am not alot of cost. As a example:

$65 in gas + 5 hrs training = $440 / 3 people = $146 each or 4 peeps = $110 ea

If we have range fees, or over night hotel due to 2 days of training or night shooting we just add it all up and divide by the group.

On the 1.5" high idea.

Great idea, sounds good. But I think it's better to zero at 200yds or what ever distance and then shoot 100yds as it falls in the dial / hold.

Just doing a 1.5" high at 100yds us really nothing but just 1.5" high at 100yds.
 
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Gave it a try for the first time yesterday. My first run was 1:58 seconds. Eight steel targets; 200 and 300 are 6 inch, 350, 400, 450, 500, 550, and 600 are 12 inch. The 300 target is 45 degrees off center to the left of the bench, the rest are staggered down range on the right. 400 yard target is partially obscured by the soybeans. :rolleyes: Second string was 1:43. Simple rules were eight rounds in the mag, one shot per target. I had one slight problem when the foot of my bipod fell in the umbrella hole of the concrete picnic table on the first string. Luckily it didn't knock over my beer...whew! One of the other guys ran it with his new RPR (also 6.5 CM) and did it in 1:37. By then it was dark so we quit. :D

The next time I'll try the 400 yard zero method. I found an old 2 x 3 foot dry-erase board in my office that came in handy for writing down the dope in big numbers and setting it down beside the table. That way you can just glance over and see your come-ups. Beats having to fumble around with reading glasses between rounds. And wrapping a big poster board on your arm is a real PITA! :D
 
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The only thing I have to add here is that if you can find a place to shoot it prone instead of off the bench, your speed should increase pretty dramatically.
 
I always walk away a little smarter after reading CFF.
 
The only thing I have to add here is that if you can find a place to shoot it prone instead of off the bench, your speed should increase pretty dramatically.
Right now the fields are in soybeans and peanuts. By Thanksgiving we will be able to shoot prone again.
 
First of all, to the original question, easy peasy.

Second of all, I had some private instruction with John. The rate is incredibly reasonable, and the instruction is exceptional. I highly recommend it if you can do it. He taught me more in four or five hours with a bolt than I learned in a three-day class otherwise.
 
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