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Had to.go to the tire store yesterday, my regular guy is closed on Saturday, but this.was an emergency situation, so I had go to one I don't normally use. First thing I noticed was a sign that says, I don't call 911 ,I'm carrying, so I feel good knowing I'm in a 2a business, I have advertising for the gun store on the tailgate of the truck, so soon the conversation turned to guns, first the mass shooting in Texas,then ars, the owner who till this point seemed 2a said , I support a ban on assault rifles, I asked why, his reply,well they have no other use than to kill people,you can't hunt with them they're not accurate enough, matter of fact they're really not made to be fired from the shoulder they're made to be held at hip level an spray out thousands of rounds, my brain went it to stupidity overload, ok where do I start to try to inform the misinformed, I explained that an that an assault rifle has to be select fire,so an a r doesn't qualify, his reply, well what do you think a r stands for,armalite rifle, I
replied, no that's not right he replied it stands for assault rifle, I told the Eugene Stoner story to the best of my ability, but he was unfazed or unmoved in his argument, I addressed all the wrong point s in his argument accuracy, hunting with an AR ,but he refused to budge on his position, I stayed well after the tires were repaired calmly, arguing the points of the conversation with no luck. Finally, I just gave up, and said well let's go to the gun store, he said ok run along and sell those useless ar to people who don't need them, my question is how can someone smart enough to own a business, have such a stupid 2 a view?
 
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Had to.go to the tire store yesterday, my regular guy is closed on Saturday, but this.was an emergency situation, so I had go to one I don't normally use. First thing I noticed was a sign that says, I don't call 911 ,I'm carrying, so I feel good knowing I'm in a 2a business, I have advertising for the gun store on the tailgate of the truck, so soon the conversation turned to guns, first the mass shooting in Texas,then ars, the owner who till this point seemed 2a said , I support a ban on assault rifles, I asked why, his reply,well they have no other use than to kill people,you can't hunt with them they're not accurate enough, matter of fact they're really not made to be fired from the shoulder they're made to held at hip level an spray out thousands of rounds, my brain went it to stupidity overload, ok where do I start to try to inform the misinformed, I explained that an that an assault rifle has to be select fire,so an a r doesn't qualify, his reply, well what do you think a r stands for,armalite rifle, I
replied, no that's not right he replied it stands for assault rifle, I told the Eugene Stoner story to the best of my ability, but he was unfazed or unmoved in his argument, I addressed all the wrong point s in his argument accuracy, hunting with an AR ,but he refused to budge on his position, I stayed well after the tires were repaired calmly, arguing the points of the conversation with no luck. Finally, I just gave up, and said well let's go to the gun store, he said ok run along and sell those useless ar to people who don't need them, my question is how can someone smart enough to own a business, have such a stupid 2 a view?
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Bet hes a regular CNN viewer
 
S4f said:
... my question is how can someone smart enough to own a business, have such a stupid 2 a view?
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Everybody absorbs some ideas without critically thinking about them. And some people are jerks who have to be right about everything, so they relentlessly cling to some idea that floated into their head, regardless of how stupid or thoroughly discredited the idea may be.

Also, see @Catfish tag line: "...humans rarely change their minds about important things. Instead we hallucinate reasons for why we were right all along."
 
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my question is how can someone smart enough to own a business, have such a stupid 2 a view?
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The same way College Professors, Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers and Politicians, and so many other some called "learned" people are completely delusional on the 2A. I have given up hope on changing hearts and minds of those who have closed off their hearts and minds to common sense, and now adhere to leftest propaganda, misinformation and non-sense and show a total disregard of the Constitution. That ship has sailed and its time to put on the gloves and fight for your rights.
 
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Sadly, they'll only change their minds when a good guy with a gun comes to their rescue. If then.
 
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@B00ger nailed it. There’s no winning with most of these Fudds. They think that because they, too, own guns, that their opinion is most valid.

In the sub-categories of Fudds, this is most extreme: The Dipshitterus Fuddicus.
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@B00ger response was great, but this was knocking it out of the park. Did anybody else read it in Daffy Duck's voice or was that just me? :D

As for the OP, good job trying to have an intelligent pro 2A conversation but:

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The web site assaultweapon.info is great for educating the stupid. I had a coworker once use the "no good purpose" line on me, so I later sent him an email asking if he was willing to view a web site that might change his thinking, and he did. He came back later and told me he did spend time on the site, learned some things, and now could see how there could be peaceful purposes for it (he's still a leftist and would want some pretty severe gun control, registration, etc). I think some people have trouble being confronted face-to-face with someone telling them things that are different than what they have been told; they get defensive and won't listen to you. But if you could allow them to get information in a less challenging way, it might open them up a little to the truth.
 
He is likely a hunter. I know most hunters are not that stupid ---or,,,,,,,, maybe.......????
I have had this same conversation at gun ranges from Washington state, Nevada Texas, Alabama, Florida Georgia SC and NC. Many hunters have no clue about anything but a shotgun for birds- bolt/lever action to kill a deer. This conversation frustrates the hell out of me due to the brain thickness of many of these people. I usually have Milsurp, ARs and real legal, assault rifles where allowed, at the range. They are always curious but after a few minutes ---they turn on me like I am some kind of domestic terrorist. :eek: I ad a tec 22. with high cap mags at a range in Georgia, A hunter took my pic and sent it to the sheriff office and soon several cops arrived and questioned me!!!! Now I know some of you hunters here are gonna have differences with me about my statements. That's ok- Just try and educate your fellow comrades about the 2nd and that guns are not just for hunting.
 
Mmm... "they have no other use than to kill people,you can't hunt with them they're not accurate enough"
Since man is the most dangerous animal to hunt, wouldn't you want an accurate weapon to not just survive, but win?
Mine stack's five in one hole @ 100yrds.
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Perhaps he inherited the business from his daddy.
Probably believes a round from an AK-47 will cook the deer.
 
Whew Im glad my black rifles are only AM-15s and PA-10s. Maybe I should make up what those stand for.

All Murican 15 and Purely American 10
 
Gentleman was in his sixties, through out the conversation he maintained a smirk like he was secure in the fact that he was right and I was wrong, would like to say I won't stop there again, but when you've got two front tires full of concrete nails you'll do what you got to do
 
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If a firearm (rifle, in this case) isn't accurate enough to hunt with, then it's also going to be a darn poor people-shooter.

This guy's point of view is a biased opinion, formed to fit his personal paradigm on what guns are for and why people have them. You can't change his view on them because changing that view deviates from his personal paradigm. To have a hope of changing him, you have to address that paradigm directly. Even so, you'll not have an easy job of it.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
If a firearm (rifle, in this case) isn't accurate enough to hunt with, then it's also going to be a darn poor people-shooter.

This guy's point of view is a biased opinion, formed to fit his personal paradigm on what guns are for and why people have them. You can't change his view on them because changing that view deviates from his personal paradigm. To have a hope of changing him, you have to address that paradigm directly. Even so, you'll not have an easy job of it.
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to sum up this post a little less delicately...

you cant fix stupid.
 
Maybe I missed the store name and location. If you don't want to out it in public please PM me the info.

I am looking for a full set on the wife's car and do not want to spend my $ at that location.

-R
 
I had a conversation with my supervisor the other day. He wants things like bump stocks banned (and probably ARs) so he doesn’t lose his ability to hunt. I said the 2A isn’t about hunting and he said “I know....but I don’t want to lose my .30-06s and the ability to do so....we have to give them something”. I was kind of shocked because he seemed pretty well grounded. I tried explaining the slippery slope and that it would only appease them for a moment and by then we’d be in serious trouble. I don’t think it had any effect
 
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I had a conversation with my supervisor the other day. He wants things like bump stocks banned (and probably ARs) so he doesn’t lose his ability to hunt. I said the 2A isn’t about hunting and he said “I know....but I don’t want to lose my .30-06s and the ability to do so....we have to give them something”. I was kind of shocked because he seemed pretty well grounded. I tried explaining the slippery slope and that it would only appease them for a moment and by then we’d be in serious trouble. I don’t think it had any effect
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This is the attitude I have encountered. The NRA went round and round with its members about 10/12 years ago with this subject. Maybe it was 20 years ago. They lost so many members they dropped the topic all together. They're support for hunters has never been better than now. In fact they were talking compromise with congress over the bump stock issue.
 
11B CIB said:
I had a conversation with my supervisor the other day. He wants things like bump stocks banned (and probably ARs) so he doesn’t lose his ability to hunt. I said the 2A isn’t about hunting and he said “I know....but I don’t want to lose my .30-06s and the ability to do so....we have to give them something”. I was kind of shocked because he seemed pretty well grounded. I tried explaining the slippery slope and that it would only appease them for a moment and by then we’d be in serious trouble. I don’t think it had any effect
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He should look at who got to keep their hunting rifles in Europe.
 
I’m only 40, but at times in my life I Too was a fudd.

Here is the big difference, I listened to people and allowed my opinions to be changed.

When I was younger I didn’t see a reason for anyone to have an AR or an AK. Just thought they were dumb because you can’t hunt with them and are just for Tactical mall ninja wannabes.

But: then I started researching them, learned all of the positives from a self defense standpoint, how they are in fact very good for hunting, and how the 2nd has nothing to do with my “feelings” or the ability to hunt.

Now I own more than I’ll admit to my wife openly.

I used to think glocks and all the plastic fantastics were stupid. Who needs 17 rounds to defend themselves. A shotgun beside the bed was all that was needed.

But: I learned from experience that a shotgun can miss, easily, from bad breath distances. That a shotgun limits my ability to return fire for more than a few blasts. That a shotgun sucks to run while opening doors and shepherding a family to safety.

I used to think CCW was for people who were paranoid. Maybe keeping one in the glove box makes sense on a trip. But if you are going somewhere where a gun is needed, then you just shouldn’t go.

But: then I realized that I don’t have the pleasure of choosing when a criminal will become violent around me. They do not follow my timeline any closer than the next car accident that may be coming. And when/if it happens the police are really only there to draw chalk outlines and fill out paperwork. I have grown to prefer that the chalk outlines don’t resemble me or anyone in my family.

I remember once looking at all you fools spending more on a suppressor than on the pistols you were putting them on and thinking what a waste of money. They have no use outside of the range or looking cool in front of poorer friends.

But: then I spent some time talking to people who knew a thing or two about them and realized that they are excellent for home defense, they are great for training new shooters, they can add to accuracy, and a few other things I had never considered.

So basically, the difference was that I was able to unhinge my hat rack from my third point of contact and learn and educate myself. Too many people are lazy and would prefer to just assume they are absolutely correct without regard for facts.


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Most firearms have been made for killing. There should be no problem with that. Sometimes something just needs to be killed, and it is good to have the best tool for the job. I bet Sharon Tate wished she had an AR15 handy back in 1969.

I think it was the movie Waterhole Number Three in which the Code of the West was said to be "Do unto others before they do unto you." I want to be allowed to be on fairly equal footing with someone who tries to "do unto me" with a weapon.
 
I've met several folks who have CCW permits, carry often, and believe in self defense, but also think that AR means "assault rifle" and "nobody needs one of them guns. You can't even hunt with it".

Its just another flavor of Fudd.
 
I tend to just walk away from people like this not wanting to waste my time. And when I do find myself bogged down in this stupidity, specifically the "They have no purpose, they're just designed to kill people" I tend to just say "All guns are designed to kill people if put in the right....or wrong hands. The second amendment was designed to protect my right to be able to defend myself and others from government tyranny not to protect hunting and self defense."

And then I walk away as their heads start to explode.
 
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