Is it worth it? (223)

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I have a hornady ap progressive. Looking at loading costs for bulk 55gr 223. I saw bobs’ bullets at $0.077 a piece. Figuring in lake city brass, primers and powder. I figure I’m at 18-20 cent a round. That’s not counting my time to load either. For 300 yard max shots, is it worth it to load over buying wolf?

We had a friends PSA ar10 out this weekend hitting a 12” plate at 500 with Tula 308 every single time. I was a little surprised.
 
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I load it because I have 6000 rounds of 55 gr Hornady projectiles that I got for .05 a round and I use range brass. So brass, projectile and primer is running me .08. I have no idea what the powder is costing me but I try to pick that up at a discount. I am guessing the powder is probably running .08 a round. So, 16 cents a round and I have to pull a lever. As I have said in the past, I enjoy the reloading process. It is my alone time to think and meditate. Now, having said all that, were it not for the fact that I have one rifle that won't reliably run steel cased ammo, I don't know that I would reload it.
 
I load it because I have 6000 rounds of 55 gr Hornady projectiles that I got for .05 a round and I use range brass. So brass, projectile and primer is running me .08. I have no idea what the powder is costing me but I try to pick that up at a discount. I am guessing the powder is probably running .08 a round. So, 16 cents a round and I have to pull a lever. As I have said in the past, I enjoy the reloading process. It is my alone time to think and meditate. Now, having said all that, were it not for the fact that I have one rifle that won't reliably run steel cased ammo, I don't know that I would reload it.
I love reloading too but I may want to get the bullet dropper for my press lol.

I figure 7-8 cent for 55gr bullets, 3 cent for primer and 10 cent a powder charge.
 
I love reloading too but I may want to get the bullet dropper for my press lol.

I figure 7-8 cent for 55gr bullets, 3 cent for primer and 10 cent a powder charge.

A bullet dropper is a nice addition and makes the whole process a lot faster. I loaded 1200 rounds of .223 several weeks ago with a bullet dropper and it was fast!
 
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I see the best savings on precision and hunting rounds.

I can load 55gr for:
Bullet: 5c
Primer: 3.5c
Powder: $29/lb, 7000gr/lb 23gr charge = 9.5c
Brass: Free, I pick up tons of it
Total: 18 cents ea for quality brass FMJs. If you buy factory ammo on sale, you’re saving about 9-10 cents per round

Hunting:
Barnes 62gr TTSX: 56c
Primer: 3.5c
Powder: 10.1c
Brass: See above
Total: 69.6cpr

95 cents a round for the NON tipped Barnes version (cheaper round) so this is about 30 cents per round cheaper

Precision:
77gr SMK / TMK: 27c/32c
Primer: 5c
Powder: 9.7c
Total: 41.7 /46.7cpr

Compared to 77gr FGMM: 92cpr
77gr TMK Black Hills: $1.09/per

50-62 cents per round cheaper to handload
 
Ammo right now is so cheap. It is hard to argue with tula at 18c or 193/855 at 27c for just blasting. You won't see big $ saving for your time spent. You have to clean, lube, size, clean, trim, then load and that all adds up just to save 5c a round. What you can get is much improved accuracy. You can get moderate accuracy improvement just from roughing out a load and being more consistent than the factory. If you take the time to really tune it and go for better bullets you can do even better.
 
I’m shooting reloads because I enjoy the process. Have stocked primers, powder and factory ammo, I’m actually short on brass.

If you decide to get a bullet feeder I suggest the DDA Mr. Bullet Feeder rather than the Hornady.
 
All things considered (time, equipment) it makes no sense cost wise to load 223 (or 9mm) just for plinking. It costs me a minimum of $0.18 per round to load 223 plinking ammo.

I forget who it was that said "If it ain't accurate, it ain't interesting". I can load 223 precision (hits the steel every time @ 600 yards, < 1 MOA) for about $0.27 per round. The cheapest factory ammo I have found that will do that (out of my rifle) costs > $0.60 per round. Worth it? I think so, that is why I do it.

Back to the plinking ammo, I load that mainly for my AR pistol, so I can use a powder that gives me a little less recoil and a lot less muzzle blast/flash than factory ammo. So, I get something with my loads that I just can't get with factory ammo. That is why I do it.

Plus, it is a hobby that I enjoy doing. Hard to put a price on that. If you don't consider it to be a hobby, then don't do it.
 
For plinking ammo, if it's cheap it's ok then. For my AR, the most accurate ammo isn't an off the shelf item. Nothing I've tried so far will get past about 1.5moa When I'm going for 1/2moa, I'm handloading.
 
There are many good points here made. Cost being at the top of the list thus far. I personally do not hand load because of cost of ammo. My first priority in hand loading any cartridge is the increase or gain
in "Performance" of said ammo. The best way to enhance any cartridge is choosing the right bullet for the mission at hand. Whether that mission is Precision Shooting, or hunting, and terminal performance.

Above 11B CIB makes a great point about Cost Savings over Factory Ammo, with premium bullets. Absolutely correct. While I have not checked the price of factory ammo in any cartridge in many years, I am sure his analysis is spot on, "The Money", so to speak, and yes, pun intended. I don't know what factory ammo costs, as I would never even lightly consider using factory ammo for any endeavor in which I might embark. Now speaking of serious rifle ammo only. In some cases such as 9mm and 45 ACP I have been known to pick up a few 1000 pieces of ball ammo when the price is right, to put away for hard times one might say.

Since most of this discussion is concerning 223, you just have to weigh the costs of your end goals. If precision is your goal, you are not going to get it with the basic 55 gr FMJ 1000 pieces at a time. Lucky if that stuff shoots 2 inches at 50 yards. If terminal performance is your end goal, then you choose the bullet required to do that. For me, I have loaded, and continue to load several 1000 50 gr CEB Raptors, my bullet of choice for terminal performance in 223. It exceeds my precision requirements by a long stretch, even though it would not be considered in that category.

Many times one chooses to hand load, not because of cost, but obtaining superior performance in one area or another that simply can't be found in factory ammo. Cost will come into effect if there is a factory equivalent, I am quite sure you will be able to load High Quality ammo at a better end cost.
 
I have a hornady ap progressive. Looking at loading costs for bulk 55gr 223. I saw bobs’ bullets at $0.077 a piece. Figuring in lake city brass, primers and powder. I figure I’m at 18-20 cent a round. That’s not counting my time to load either. For 300 yard max shots, is it worth it to load over buying wolf?

We had a friends PSA ar10 out this weekend hitting a 12” plate at 500 with Tula 308 every single time. I was a little surprised.

That’s up to you.

I think it’s worth to reload 223/556. Same with 9mm, 6.8, 358, 308 etc. be plinking, precision or hunting. Though the latter 2 is where you are gonna see your biggest savings

You can factor in time, I never did because it’s no different than sitting down and watching TV to relax.
 
Only you can answer the question based on your needs, time and money. For me it is worth reloading even plinking ammo. All about what deals you got on components or make your own bullets. I've just used up the last of my .224 FMJ bullets made out of .22LR cases for the jacket, ie free bullets. Got lots of bulk 55 gr FMJs for about .025 a piece. primers at $3.50 per hundred and with a pound of powder I'm getting 270 rds at $25. So round off to .16 cents per round. Got tons of brass so that cost is out. My 9mm and .41 mag loads are about .06-.07 cents per round as I cast my own bullets. Got plenty of time since I'm retired and enjoy reloading.


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With the price of 223 right now, the question I ask myself is, do I buy the factory stuff and stick it in the corner and shoot my reloads or shoot the factory rounds and save the reloading components. Either way it is a win/win decision.

And reloading usually gets me into my happy place away from all my daily issues.
 
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My real reason, on top of quality control, cost savings, etc was to be able to keep myself in ammo. At least until the stockpile of supplies is exhausted, it’s just another way I’m trying to reduce reliance on the supply chain as a whole should there be an interruption in it
 
Is loading 5.56/.223 for plinking over buying something like Hornady Frontier or Federal bulk XM193 or even steelcase ammo worth it? Not at this time.

Are there loads that save you a BUNCH over purchasing factory loads?
Yep. Loading these for HD/SD/small deer are definitely worth it over buying similar rounds like Gold Dots. Esp when you use the code from handloader magazine for free shipping and 20% off :D
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosl...lid-base-bullets-w-cannelure-blem-1000ct.html

It's a controlled expansion bonded 64gr with a solid copper base, and has good barrier penetration in all the tests I have seen. Good accuracy out to 200yds as well.

You can expect excellent terminal effect even from shorter barrelled 5.56 guns with that round. Same round the FBI uses to shoot bank robbers IIRC. Same bullet as RA556b.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Range-Report-Nosler-Defense-223-Remington-64-Grain-BSB/16-688002/
 
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For me, right now it’s not worth reloading plinking grade .223. I am however stashing components so that when the market turns, I can still load 55gr fmj for 12c/rd. I’m going for 3-4yr worth considering my wallet haha.

@Butter bullets 5c
SRP 2c
WC844 (bulk H335) powder 4.6c
Brass free range pickups
 
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Is loading 5.56/.223 for plinking over buying something like Hornady Frontier or Federal bulk XM193 or even steelcase ammo worth it? Not at this time.

Are there loads that save you a BUNCH over purchasing factory loads?
Yep. Loading these for HD/SD/small deer are definitely worth it over buying similar rounds like Gold Dots. Esp when you use the code from handloader magazine for free shipping and 20% off :D
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosl...lid-base-bullets-w-cannelure-blem-1000ct.html

It's a controlled expansion bonded 64gr with a solid copper base, and has good barrier penetration in all the tests I have seen. Good accuracy out to 200yds as well.

You can expect excellent terminal effect even from shorter barrelled 5.56 guns with that round. Same round the FBI uses to shoot bank robbers IIRC. Same bullet as RA556b.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Range-Report-Nosler-Defense-223-Remington-64-Grain-BSB/16-688002/


What is the discount code from Handloader magazine and is it still active?
 
Looks dead.
Idk works for me
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CBBE0089-482E-4519-8536-E1B2261A210E.png Yeah, didn’t work for me at all, that sucks.
 
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I think the capital H is what made it not accept the code...case sensitive
I assumed case sensitive because you capitalized the H.
Oh well.
 
Once we get into a new house, I think im going to take the plunge and load for 223. Ive been shooting bolt guns for the last few years and am spoiled to a very high level of accuracy. The wolf i shot up yesterday, worked.. but just didnt do it for me. It'll hit the target but it was so inconsistent. Ive got a progressive, might as well use it.

Best place to get bulk 223 brass? My other concern is trimming.. I dont have to trim my bolt gun brass very much at all. I also only keep 100-200 pieces. I'd like to load up 1000+ 223. Any magic tricks on trimming fast? Does it need it often when fired out of a gas gun?
 
Once we get into a new house, I think im going to take the plunge and load for 223. Ive been shooting bolt guns for the last few years and am spoiled to a very high level of accuracy. The wolf i shot up yesterday, worked.. but just didnt do it for me. It'll hit the target but it was so inconsistent. Ive got a progressive, might as well use it.

Best place to get bulk 223 brass? My other concern is trimming.. I dont have to trim my bolt gun brass very much at all. I also only keep 100-200 pieces. I'd like to load up 1000+ 223. Any magic tricks on trimming fast? Does it need it often when fired out of a gas gun?
1. Get a progressive press for quantity
2. Get a Worlds Finest Trimmer and a Dillon primer pocket swagger

That is all
 
If you’re buying brass you can get it already trimmed, that’ll get you through at least a few firings while you explore options.

Honestly the 5.56 chamber is so long that I don’t know if you really ever need to trim the brass unless you like to crimp. One day I’ll test that theory, for now I trim and anneal after every firing.
 
If you’re buying brass you can get it already trimmed, that’ll get you through at least a few firings while you explore options.

Honestly the 5.56 chamber is so long that I don’t know if you really ever need to trim the brass unless you like to crimp. One day I’ll test that theory, for now I trim and anneal after every firing.
Theres also the RCBS X-die solution that only requires trimming once. I have one and never use it
 
So I’ll put you down for 1k? Or 500? I’ll half one with you.

I ordered 2k, should be here this week. If you just want 500 I can carve them out for you if you can’t find someone else to split an order.
 
What powder are you guys using?
I ordered 2k, should be here this week. If you just want 500 I can carve them out for you if you can’t find someone else to split an order.
So I’ll put you down for 1k? Or 500? I’ll half one with you.


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Theres also the RCBS X-die solution that only requires trimming once. I have one and never use it
No worky for me either...dang it! That would have been a really good deal:(
 
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