Is the NRA letting you down?

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After seeing the new restrictions being placed on Citizens by their politicians, I have to wonder WHERE IS THE NRA in all of this?

While Reading about the NJ mag debacle and the Boulder CO AR15 "certification" I had to ask myself where is the NRA!

I was just thinking about how the ACLU would react to such blatant Rights violations if it were something they cared about. Looking back at things like Voter ID, Pedophilia should be understood and accepted, Gender preferences, ETC... that the ACLU has taken up and successfully defended, they did it in the courts, media, and through social media. They did it through local courts and appealing to the emotional masses.

Where is the NRA and what are they doing? With Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS they should be taking the fight to the streets. The should be representing the Citizens at the local level. For every "Good kid trying minding his own business" they should be on the airwaves showing a the women that saved themselves from harm by using a firearm. For every law "to protect the people from gun violence"they should be sending their representative to the local AO and countering every argument the Anti 2A mouth pieces put forward. They should have their attorneys filing everything they can to prevent these laws from even gaining traction. When the CDC presents it report saying that gun deaths are at a 40 year high, the NRA should be on every form of media breaking down the statistics for the uneducated masses. The NRA should be showing that Alcohol related deaths far outway gun related deaths.

From my POV, Wayne LaPierre is doing business as usual, as long as no one is complaining all is OK.

So what say you? Do you agree or disagree with my rant?
 
I'm struggling to find a way to express my displeasure with the NRA without seeming like a bitter ex...

They do not advance rights, their “compromises” are not compromises, they are outright concessions. Their executives make outrageous salaries whilst true groups like GRNC are volunteers.;)

They have openly blocked progun legislation in Florida, etc.
Their concealed carry insurance is the WORST out there, not just according to me but also Andrew Branca.
The best thing to happen to the NRA would be Wayne LaPierre & Marion Hammer being found dead. :mad:
 
It reminds me of the old Chris Rock skit about, "No money in a cure."
If they fix everything then there is no motivation for people to keep funding them
Keep us baited, "well we just need a little money for ______," much like a career politician does
"If you re-elect then I promise I'll work hard this time to _________________"

But, hey, at least they dont tell us to worship them.
 
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I understand and agree with most of the comments but stop and think for one minute where we would be without the NRA's power for just the last 20 years. Both sides respect the power they wield and many have chosen to not to go toe to toe with them or have and got crushed.
There are other pro gun groups out there but let's tell the truth, none have the power of the NRA.
 
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I understand and agree with most of the comments but stop and think for one minute where we would be without the NRA's power for just the last 20 years. Both sides respect the power they wield and many have chosen to not to go toe to toe with them or have and got crushed.
There are other pro gun groups out there but let's tell the truth, none have the power of the NRA.
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And the NRA has become the same as the Dems and Repubs, a big group of self-interest people that works hard to stay relevant.
They'll say and promise anything to stay where they are.
 
Before moving to SC, I had spent my entire adult life in NH. We had a Constitutional Carry bill supported by veto proof majorities in both houses that a lot of decent people had put a lot of time, effort, money and hard work into - without a bit of help from the NRA. At the last minute, the NRA stepped in with wild theories about how it was unworkable and peeled off enough support that the bill died.

NH eventually got it done - again with no thanks to the NRA.

Not that that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. They compromised and said in my name that I was OK with prior restraint of a Constitutional right. Then their fearless leader actually apologized for calling the ATF a bunch of jackbooted thugs after Waco and Ruby Ridge. Sorry that your precious feels are hurt but if the shoe fits, you've got to wear it.

I used to keep my membership current years ahead of expiration and quite generously supported the ILA lobbying arm. Never again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

So I pay an extra buck or two to get into gun shows. Big deal. There are clubs I would love to be a member of, but no NRA membership means I'm not welcome there. That one actually hurts, but I'll survive.

Not one more dime for quislings and collaborators. No quarter. You're on our side all the time or you can't be trusted. It's sort of like being just a little bit pregnant.
 
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They are good at fearmongering and making money. They are shite at protecting rights.
I get exactly what I expect from them, nothing
 
Curmudgeon said:
I'm an NRA member so I can belong to my range but my political bucks go to Gun Owners of America
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I'm the same way, I have an NRA life membership, but I send my political money to others that actually do work.

I have to say that national level gun control is going well, the anti's have moved on to state and local level. They are winning big time at the this level.
 
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cold1 said:
After seeing the new restrictions being placed on Citizens by their politicians, I have to wonder WHERE IS THE NRA in all of this?

While Reading about the NJ mag debacle and the Boulder CO AR15 "certification" I had to ask myself where is the NRA!

I was just thinking about how the ACLU would react to such blatant Rights violations if it were something they cared about. Looking back at things like Voter ID, Pedophilia should be understood and accepted, Gender preferences, ETC... that the ACLU has taken up and successfully defended, they did it in the courts, media, and through social media. They did it through local courts and appealing to the emotional masses.

Where is the NRA and what are they doing? With Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS they should be taking the fight to the streets. The should be representing the Citizens at the local level. For every "Good kid trying minding his own business" they should be on the airwaves showing a the women that saved themselves from harm by using a firearm. For every law "to protect the people from gun violence"they should be sending their representative to the local AO and countering every argument the Anti 2A mouth pieces put forward. They should have their attorneys filing everything they can to prevent these laws from even gaining traction. When the CDC presents it report saying that gun deaths are at a 40 year high, the NRA should be on every form of media breaking down the statistics for the uneducated masses. The NRA should be showing that Alcohol related deaths far outway gun related deaths.

From my POV, Wayne LaPierre is doing business as usual, as long as no one is complaining all is OK.

So what say you? Do you agree or disagree with my rant?
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Where are they????? On the damn phone calling for money.
 
NJ is rotten from the new Gov. down to the individual counties and their anti gun 'elected' officials.
You have to fight the battles that you can win, remember that NRA as well as other groups pushed for
concealed carry rights in all 50 states.
Remember that the NRA also helped with the Heller SCOTUS case.
 
One of the problems is the NRA tends toward reaction on legal issues. Do you think they could have influenced the legislators of those two states? CO, maybe. NJ, forget it. I don’t know how hard they tried in those states. But until the law is on the books and they have a citizen who has standing to sue for harm, all they can do is wait.

Lobby ahead of time or sue after the fact are the only options. They can’t pre sue before it goes into effect on their own. They don’t have standing.


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If they wield so much power and influence then where is the legislation to strike down the infringements that are in place now?

Their goals really appear to be making money!
 
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The NRA has supported and even authored some of the prohibitive laws we have now.

Ultimately, each of us choose whether or not the RTKBA exists...we are the final arbiters; it's by design. We were charged with that duty by those who framed our Republic.

The NRA, like most politicians, have tap-danced around the true intent of Amendment II...they are guilty of watering it down, slapping make-up on it and propagating the idea the RTKBA is about harvesting wildlife, shooting a ragged hole at a given distance or defending hearth and home against the thuggery. Nothing inherently wrong with any of those things, but if we're really honest about it, the primary intent of the RTKBA is ensuring a free citizenry remains free by having the means to carry out the ugly business of eliminating threats to our liberty.

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You see that? That's why you won't see wsfiredude ever willingly giving up sh*t, because I will be damned if I ever live to see this happen to my wife or kids.

These two photos are precisely why the RTKBA exists. Notice there's no deer, no ducks, no ranges or timers. The right is there to facilitate killing MFers like those you see in the gray uniforms, to prevent them from doing what they are doing in those photos.
 
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I"ve never joined the NRA, precisely for the reasons given in this thread. I've never ever thought about it, because they have done exactly SHIT in the last 10 years when their membership swelled due to the worlds greatest gun salesman and his ilk being in power. Squandered perfect opportunities.
I'm not financing it. I'll build my own damn range before I feel the need to join one that requires NRA membership. In fact, I am doing just so.
 
NRA is the best we got. Help fix it.

As far as NJ goes, I lived there a couple years and 2a there is a lost cause. I'd be more pissed at the NRA wasting money if they tried anything in NJ.
 
Sevenshot said:
NRA is the best we got. Help fix it.

As far as NJ goes, I lived there a couple years and 2a there is a lost cause. I'd be more pissed at the NRA wasting money if they tried anything in NJ.
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that's the same mentality that has let to the USA overrun with military age male migrants from other places. Maybe if the NRA fought the crap in NJ and other blatantly infringing locales, we wouldn't have to deal with that crap here when the transplants bring it here.
 
Ikarus1 said:
that's the same mentality that has let to the USA overrun with military age male migrants from other places. Maybe if the NRA fought the crap in NJ and other blatantly infringing locales, we wouldn't have to deal with that crap here when the transplants bring it here.
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Great speech. Too bad it doesn't make a lick of sense as you fail (and honestly have no way to provide) a link to how our country is "overrun" (your words, not mine) with (specifically) military age migrants and all the ways in which I personally know NJ is a lost cause (and not just for 2a IMO). There are zero potential links.

Anyway, I lived it in NJ. It's a socialist police state because the people there want it. Google their blatantly crooked af Senator. Still wins in a landslide. Read the platform of their recently elected governor. 2a organizations campaigned their asses off with real facts and often direct quotes from this incredibly crooked candidate who literally bought the teachers and emergency and first responders unions a full year in advance. He also still won in a landslide.

you think you know liberals? NC's liberals are conservatives compared to what I had to deal with in NJ. These super liberal politicians with complete job security appoint super liberal judges that don't even pretend to allow a fair fight when it comes to indisputable violations of the Constitution. Two short miles from where I lived the people literally elected a socialist with ZERO political experience, who btw beat out the INCUMBENT DEMOCRAT. You don't know liberals like these liberals, and they are they are the landslide majority.

There are many great 2a organizations in NJ like we have GRNC here. Specifically ANJRPC, which I supported and am a forum member with this exact same username on the most prominent 2a NJ forum. I'm telling you that there are people up there who have purposefully violated unconstitutional laws and were backed by organizations, including the NRA, working in unison, and those people went to jail. The trial was a kangaroo court sham.

There has been a strong media campaign pointing out imperfections of groups like the NRA to make us eat our own. The NRA isn't perfect, but do what you can to help fix it. I am also incredibly appreciative of those investing their time and money GRNC. Get out and vote ON EVERYTHING. And don't alienate those who aren't one hundred percent aligned with you because that will make you the minority real quick. Someone fifty one percent aligned needs to be on our side. According to the middle aged guys in NJ, what happened there took a single generation. And it was due to a lack of inclusiveness.
 
I belong to the NRA but am increasingly frustrated with their loss of focus. They -- especially LaPierre -- seem to talk as much about Trump's agenda as gun rights. Their stands on net neutrality, climate change, etc.turn off potential allies and waste time and money that could be spent on the issues we pay them for.
 
Bailey Boat said:
Right beside Valone.....
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GRNC hasn’t sold gun owners out by endorsing red flag laws, or bumpstock bans. We don’t have $300,000 a year salaries, or offer the single worst concealed carry insurance plan.

NRA is the Sears of gun rights. There may have been a time when they were the big cheese, but now they aren’t.

Just as the Democrats of old days like Truman who ordered the bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki in order to save America, there may once have been democrats who were good.

But the Democrats of today would have sued for peace with Japan setting the terms, after all who are we to vaporize entire cities? o_O

Wayne, Cox & Marion need the Homer Stokes treatment...
 
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