It is time we admit "yes, 2A will allow for mass shootings".....

As to the OP, there doesn't have to be a 2A for a mass shooting to take place. Consider the November 2015 attacks in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

The 2A is one of the biggest deterrents to mass shootings. That is why these shooters choose "gun free zones" as their soft targets.

Very important point to make. Also I thought of the mass shooting in Norway.

Mass shootings don't happen because of 2A, they happen despite 2A.
 
USA is a country of countries, not even 250 years old compared to Japan where the population
is made up of Japan citizens who have a culture that is thousands of years old, same for Europe.

Sometimes the price of freedom is paid with blood.
 
Very important point to make. Also I thought of the mass shooting in Norway.

Mass shootings don't happen because of 2A, they happen despite 2A.
The Westgate mall attack in Nairobi, Kenya 2013.
 
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Where is the UN supposed to find an army of Supermen? How many years did it take for the EU and US to subdue the Balkans? How many rebel movements in Africa have been crushed by the UN? Where is the long list of UN victories over some of the largest countries -by population and geography- in the world?

Not that I disagree with your premise, cause I don't, but you are assuming that the UN has a vested interest in actually stopping those conflicts quickly if at all.
 
I appreciate the bluntness of the statement/sentiment, and in its rawest/purest form, the 2A is pretty darn blunt. However the reality of our society dictates that unless you’re ready to hit the streets in civil war tomorrow to bluntly protect it, this may not be the most effective way to protect the right. I’m not at all advocating bending or giving any rights, nor am I suggesting any sort of placating to SJW’s or anyone else that doesn’t get the 2A. What I am saying is to recognize the system we live in and how to play the game. This isn’t the manly strength contest at the carnival where you try to hit the target with a sledge hammer as hard as you can to ring the bell. We have to be strategic which includes not making the antis AND those who would otherwise be neutral, turn against us and write our rights out of existence—which is what I would expect to happen if we hit the streets chanting “yes the 2A causes mass shootings.” They’ll have it legislated out from under us in record time.
 
In Vietnam our soldiers had to fight against US politicians as well who refused to let the US win that war. That was the first time pols tied one hand behind their backs.


I would submit that it happened in Korea, too, but not to the same extent as in Vietnam.
 
......as always I default to our fathers

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
— Benjamin Franklin

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect its country from its government."
—Thomas Paine

"It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins."
—Benjamin Franklin
 
Any action by the US military against its own citizens will NOT be prosecuted by flag officers. I never served, but I know enough to know that non comms and 1st lieutenants prosecute wars. That is where the resistance to orders to fire on US citizens would meet resistance and defection.... if it met any.

I once asked a career noncom who is a friend of mine (long term) if he thought there would be a defection and insurrection in the event the US Army was called out against the citizenry. His answer was "hell yes. IMMEDIATELY!!! And don't think we don't talk about that stuff with Obama in office. This is a universal attitude." Admittedly he is spec ops, which may put him in a different batch of guys, but I was surprised by the answer.

Hope for the best, prep for the worst.
 
I don't give a crap about what they do, I know what I'm going to do in the event that it takes place and I think I know what most of you are going to do. I'm standing for Liberty at all cost.
 
There wouldn't be any military involved. How do you think they have gotten so strict in lib states. Little by little. They make you a criminal by banning small things until it's all gone. You never even knew it happened. You weighted each new law and decided it was better to just go to work and avoid the drama. It only takes an arrest and a few weeks or months in jail waiting for trial to completely break most peoples lives completely.

Very soon, there is no way to wage a so called revolution, and it's pretty much over then. Take Tega Cay South Carolina. Used to be VERY conservative. We had an election yesterday.

There is a progressive on the ballot. I knew it, a few others knew it. She had wonderful pretty signs. No one bothered or cared to find out who she was. Heather Overman, total progressive is probably now on my city council. This is their plan. It's a ground up long game now my friends. They can't win in your face. The ground up game is the only way to win the all important Amendment trophy at the end. Once you have the 38 states lined up. Game over man (Aliens guy).
 
There wouldn't be any military involved. How do you think they have gotten so strict in lib states. Little by little. They make you a criminal by banning small things until it's all gone. You never even knew it happened. You weighted each new law and decided it was better to just go to work and avoid the drama. It only takes an arrest and a few weeks or months in jail waiting for trial to completely break most peoples lives completely.

Very soon, there is no way to wage a so called revolution, and it's pretty much over then. Take Tega Cay South Carolina. Used to be VERY conservative. We had an election yesterday.

There is a progressive on the ballot. I knew it, a few others knew it. She had wonderful pretty signs. No one bothered or cared to find out who she was. Heather Overman, total progressive is probably now on my city council. This is their plan. It's a ground up long game now my friends. They can't win in your face. The ground up game is the only way to win the all important Amendment trophy at the end. Once you have the 38 states lined up. Game over man (Aliens guy).

Are you saying that conservatives are too dumb to know who is on the ballot and then they don't turn out to vote? Who's fault is that? Certainly not the progressive that is on the ballot.
 
Any action by the US military against its own citizens will NOT be prosecuted by flag officers. I never served, but I know enough to know that non comms and 1st lieutenants prosecute wars. That is where the resistance to orders to fire on US citizens would meet resistance and defection.... if it met any.

I once asked a career noncom who is a friend of mine (long term) if he thought there would be a defection and insurrection in the event the US Army was called out against the citizenry. His answer was "hell yes. IMMEDIATELY!!! And don't think we don't talk about that stuff with Obama in office. This is a universal attitude." Admittedly he is spec ops, which may put him in a different batch of guys, but I was surprised by the answer.

Hope for the best, prep for the worst.


My son recently finished his service in the Army and he basically said the same thing....the rank and file and many of the higher level officer corp will revolt before turning on the people.
 
There wouldn't be any military involved. How do you think they have gotten so strict in lib states. Little by little. They make you a criminal by banning small things until it's all gone. You never even knew it happened. You weighted each new law and decided it was better to just go to work and avoid the drama. It only takes an arrest and a few weeks or months in jail waiting for trial to completely break most peoples lives completely.
I will respond to this with a quote from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's book, The Gulag Archipelago.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”


Had they resisted, the system would have ground to a halt. Do not assume that everyone will submit to an arrest.
 
So the numbers for the UN guys are not enough for taking or doing anything on the US soil.
The military and even all civilians should be willing to go against any person be it American persons or Foreign. The oath of the military is to the constitution NOT the President or Congress.
The other issue is that the government that was created by the founding fathers was taken down when the Civil War broke out and the south left. Giving the north the power to change the constitution in ways that the south did not agree with or the north would not have gotten passed if south did not leave.
The 2nd amendment is absolute in my mind, ALL gun laws to me are unconstitutional! I wish the NRA "or any other 2nd Amen group" would grow the balls and sue to have all gun laws removed from the books.
 
My son recently finished his service in the Army and he basically said the same thing....the rank and file and many of the higher level officer corp will revolt before turning on the people.
A friend of mine who is career special forces says the "magic" grade in the Army is colonel. After that high, the politics starts to outweigh the character..... in most officers. That is his take, anyway.
 
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What many do not realize is that authoritarian government is first of all and primarily of all a GIANT CON GAME. Everything depends on perception, intimidation, and bluffing. The truth is that a dedicated 5% of the population can, and DOES overthrow a gov with little popular support, but one which has the populace at large cowed. People who blab on and on about the military prowess and efficacy of a dictatorship simply ignore (the core word of "ignorance") the fact that these people...., even a dictator as brutal as Kim in N Korea, would fold up like wet tissue paper if they encountered a resistance movement not afraid to die and dedicated to removing them.

Again, the power of a government comes from the people. Once the people wake up to that, the game is over.
 
The truth is that a dedicated 5% of the population can, and DOES overthrow a gov with little popular support, but one which has the populace at large cowed. People who blab on and on about the military prowess and efficacy of a dictatorship simply ignore (the core word of "ignorance") the fact that these people...
Those same people also say that those who realize this are just full of talk. They also believe in the power that is suppressing them in the same manner that a medicine man had over ancient tribes. What they are, is afraid. They're afraid that those people may not be just talk and they're afraid of what might happen when those people finally do get pissed off.
 
They also believe in the power that is suppressing them in the same manner that a medicine man had over ancient tribes

Bingo. Just for the record, I worked in literacy project for a tribe in the Western Amazonian jungle. They were primitive in many respects, although I was astounded by their comprehensive knowledges of plants, fauna in general, weather, and animals, as well as some very interesting apps of basic chemistry to make their lives better.

Anyway, we had a witch doctor/shaman/medicine man who was clearly a social authority figure. He was, as would be expected, very opposed to us and our work, though he would often join the rest of the tribe in hanging out and looking at the pictures in NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC on our porch by lamplight in the evening. He reminded me of Baghdad Bob in his assertions of power and threatenings. He told the tribe of various bad events, and then would say he reversed himself and decided to have mercy when they did not happen, but if anyone ever got sick and/or died, he was at the front of the line saying "I DID THAT!"

As you might suspect, there was a deep hostility to the world view we brought with our literacy stuff (we were translating the New Testament into native tongue and then taught them how to read their own language, which was unwritten).

I pulled out old pics of that time the other day and realized almost everyone in those pics were likely dead (life expectancy in the tribe was about 40-45 years)
 
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