Books are what’s history in terms of education, my man
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Books are what’s history in terms of education, my man
The question is why? I think it's pretty obvious that if you look at a few key economic metrics, such as job availability, cost of education versus benefits, home ownership and affordability, retirement prospects, costs of healthcare (insurance they can't afford), why they're disillusioned by AmeriKcan Corporatism.
What to do about it, though?
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I think there are a lot of reasons. These are kids and grandkids of the Welfare Generation, they grew up believing that they are owed, entitled. They see (right or wrong) economic disparity: CEOs making a gazillion dollars, while their friends with the BA in sociology are making $15/hr as a barista. They do NOT see the disconnect between the value of the education (sociology vs nursing, engineering, whatever) or the understand why they cannot make more with a BA in sociology. They are listening to people who are telling them it is wrong for the CEO to make a gazillion dollars, and the only way to right that wrong is through income redistribution; make 'em pay their fair share. They don't understand the connection between 'cost' and 'service', thinking the haves need to pay for the have nots.
But, I don't know what to do about it. It isn't 'just' a philosophical difference, it's a cognitive dissonance, an inability to understand the reality.
Keep it up. Because there are teachers out there bussing their elementary school students to DC and wailing about the Green New Deal and how Democrats have to save the world for them. Pretty similar around here to what you see. My daughters class was so conservative on some issues the teacher would start into something and just give up. In a more permissive environment, he would not have stopped.
As to what system is failing Venezuela, does it matter in the end? Most systems are so hybridized, or definitions are so specific, that they don't fit perfectly anyway. Seems to be a command & control economy. Socialism, communism, fascism; do you think it matters to the people under that boot? In the end we need to be paying attention to the similarities to what is happening here and heading it off. IMO Socialism will never work, some experiments are just taking longer to fail.
You can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out of it.
Stack the courts with your BFF's, pass laws that silence the journalists, and put people who oppose you in prison as Maduro has done.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16189742/venezuela-maduro-dictator-chavez-collapse
Oh, they banned firearms
for the public back in 2012 after the amnesty program expired.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16189742/venezuela-maduro-dictator-chavez-collapse
Oh, they banned firearms
for the public back in 2012 after the amnesty program expired.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
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Stack the courts with your BFF's, pass laws that silence the journalists, and put people who oppose you in prison as Maduro has done.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16189742/venezuela-maduro-dictator-chavez-collapse
Oh, they banned firearms
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430
Now that's the kind of crap that will ruin a country. Some of it sounds familiar already...
Again: I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism.
To be fair, this has been years in the making. The power outage was just sort of the last straw.
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socialism is not a wealth distributor. it is a poverty distributor
This is why we need to get the tax money out of colleges/universities. Then all of these overpaid liberal arts majors who are indoctrinating kids into liberal stupidity can go work at walmart or other menial service jobs where they belong
Im 41 years old and I firmly believe that I am part of the last generation that was taught, at least to a degree, that you are worth what you put in. But somewhere, in the past 30 years, we have shifted to this "everyone has value, and everyone is important" mentality. And it is true, we do all have value and importance in Gods eyes...but that value and importance does not translate into dollars.
The collective "we" as parents have allowed the school systems or the media "nickelodeon, Disney kids, ect" to take over the raising and supervision of our children. Sending your kids to school for 8 hours a day is fine...if you don't turn around and neglect to deal with them for the rest of the 8 hours they are home. You allow their entire world view to be shaped, in large part, by a new breed of teachers who are:
1. Young
2. Inexperienced in the world
3. Received their education from a highly liberalized institution
4. Have zero expertise outside of their line of training
5. Are constrained by a curriculum that is written and controlled by "educators" who are controlled by politics
These teachers come from universities taught by professors who:
1. Never worked in the private sector
2. Have often achieved tenure and teach only 1 or 2 classes per week
3. Have an army of TAs to do their work
4. Are protected from being fired
5. Are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for virtually no actual work
6. Are encouraged to "publish" their works which fills them with an unrealistic sense of self importance as everyone in their own little world pats them on the back for saying what they all already know
So, you add this as the basis of the stew and what are you left with? A generation that is taught that the fruits of their labor is all the same, regardless of its intrinsic worth to those around them. Peeing in a jar with a cross in it is Art, and should be paid well. A 35 year old who flips burgers at McDonalds deserves the same pay as the CEO. Yes, I feel CEO's are often paid what I feel is too much, but what I "feel" doesn't matter. If they are able to negotiate a contract for that much money and get it, then go for it. What happened to being successful in business being a good thing? Not to overuse the trope, but a poor man never gave me a job.
When I was a kid I was taught that welfare was a bad thing, it should be worked hard to be avoided. Even taking unemployment insurance made me cringe when I lost my first job out of college. But now? Entire generations have been raised that part of a kids 18th birthday celebration was being taken down to the county office to apply for benefits.
Heck a few weeks ago a "friend" of my families announced on FB that their 14 year old son was now to be referred to as Lily...that they were welcoming >HER< and celebrating >HER< Birthday...Kid cant even buy cigarettes...cant vote...cant enter into a binding contract...but somehow can decide that he is really a she, and we all have to love it. I choose not to live in a delusional world like that. When I was 15 I was still convinced that I could be a movie star, or a fighter pilot, or batman.
The collective "we" as parents have allowed the school systems or the media "nickelodeon, Disney kids, ect" to take over the raising and supervision of our children. Sending your kids to school for 8 hours a day is fine...if you don't turn around and neglect to deal with them for the rest of the 8 hours they are home. You allow their entire world view to be shaped, in large part, by a new breed of teachers who are:
1. Young
2. Inexperienced in the world
3. Received their education from a highly liberalized institution
4. Have zero expertise outside of their line of training
5. Are constrained by a curriculum that is written and controlled by "educators" who are controlled by politics
These teachers come from universities taught by professors who:
1. Never worked in the private sector
2. Have often achieved tenure and teach only 1 or 2 classes per week
3. Have an army of TAs to do their work
4. Are protected from being fired
5. Are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for virtually no actual work
6. Are encouraged to "publish" their works which fills them with an unrealistic sense of self importance as everyone in their own little world pats them on the back for saying what they all already know
So, you add this as the basis of the stew and what are you left with? A generation that is taught that the fruits of their labor is all the same, regardless of its intrinsic worth to those around them. Peeing in a jar with a cross in it is Art, and should be paid well. A 35 year old who flips burgers at McDonalds deserves the same pay as the CEO. Yes, I feel CEO's are often paid what I feel is too much, but what I "feel" doesn't matter. If they are able to negotiate a contract for that much money and get it, then go for it. What happened to being successful in business being a good thing? Not to overuse the trope, but a poor man never gave me a job.
When I was a kid I was taught that welfare was a bad thing, it should be worked hard to be avoided. Even taking unemployment insurance made me cringe when I lost my first job out of college. But now? Entire generations have been raised that part of a kids 18th birthday celebration was being taken down to the county office to apply for benefits.
Heck a few weeks ago a "friend" of my families announced on FB that their 14 year old son was now to be referred to as Lily...that they were welcoming >HER< and celebrating >HER< Birthday...Kid cant even buy cigarettes...cant vote...cant enter into a binding contract...but somehow can decide that he is really a she, and we all have to love it. I choose not to live in a delusional world like that. When I was 15 I was still convinced that I could be a movie star, or a fighter pilot, or batman.
The biggest problem with the colleges is they can raise their tuition as much as they want since student loans are easy to get. No one reminds these kids that the loans will need to be paid back and accrue anywhere from 5-8% interest that accumulates during the time they are in school. Once they graduate/drop out they now have a huge loan amount to pay back. They had drummed in their heads that everyone has to go to college to get ahead. A HVAC guy might not be making a fortune but he usually is a home owner and lives decently
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The heck of it is, this isn't new to college campuses. When I told my old mom about the question on the scholarship application for the UNCW business school about "free markets", she said my dad experienced pretty much the same thing when a UNC prof asked on a test in the business school something like, "Is it better to make lots money? or "Is it better to give money to the needy."
Dad's answer was (according to mom 65 years later), "To make lots of money so you can give lots of money to the needy." (in/around 1952).
Apparently the UNC business school prof didn't like that answer.
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Bingo. And as a result, higher education costs are inflating at a MUCH higher rate than even healthcare costs, because the schools are bloating out their administrations.
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Yup...see my post above...
A Professor works 1-2 days per week for 1-2 hours teaching the same curriculum that he has had for 20 years...gets paid $200,000 per year. Has 2 TA's assigned to his class who share his teaching and administration duties. The Prof has tenure. And it adds juice to the berry when the professor is teaching Advanced Feminine Asian Studies.
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I will start off by saying, I am every bit as skeptical about College Inc as any other guy. I hate--no, loathe--the way higher education is structured. That said, your example fit a very, very narrow/rare window.
College teaching is weird because it can be funded all sorts of ways. A professor can be funded by the university at any fraction of a percentage; 30%, 50%, 100%, with supplemental income by grants or outside sourcing. Then there's the whole associate prof, assistant, teaching prof, etc. Then, there might be publishing income.
I am working with Duke School of Nursing this semester as I finish my masters so I am seeing things--for the first time--from the inside. For what it's worth, if I get my PhD to teach, here at Duke, I would only start at about $10K more than I make now, which still gets me nowhere close to a six-digit salary.
CNN ran a story number of years ago, the reporter went to high schools and asked students what their plans are,
"I want the corner office" was most popular answer, when asked about trade schools the all looked disgusted.
Next reporter went to a huge machine shop in the same city in the midwest, the owner says he can't hire qualified machinists.
He says these machines cost more then a Ferarri, he has a 35 hour week, no overtime and no weekends, full benefits.
Depending on your experience you can start at $50-75K after graduating two year community college.
This Old House cohost Tommy Silva said the trades are good honest work, you may not make a fortune but you will always have work to do.
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My oldest son is 14. He's a bright kid. Could easily pursue one of STEM fields. He may, however opt for trade school for electrical or HVAC and I'm just fine with that. Hell I'd encourage it.
Dad's answer was (according to mom 65 years later), "To make lots of money so you can give lots of money to the needy." (in/around 1952).
Apparently the UNC business school prof didn't like that answer.[/QUOTE]
I like your Dad's answer. WFB said, "The best way you can help the poor is not to become one of them." Truth; think about it.
Apparently the UNC business school prof didn't like that answer.[/QUOTE]
I like your Dad's answer. WFB said, "The best way you can help the poor is not to become one of them." Truth; think about it.
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Looks like Trump is working on a way to hold these schools accountable on these loans. Check it out.
Looks like Trump is working on a way to hold these schools accountable on these loans. Check it out.
Wife read that all the high skilled labor to run the big electrical plant had already left the country from lack of pay. Way to go nationalization of services. Might be in the article but haven’t read it yet.
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Excellent. "Skin in the game."
In this country you are only limited by your imagination.
This bull that someone is making the money and you can’t is just that, bull.
When people stop complaining and start using the abilities that God gave them, then they will prosper.
Not everyone is will progress at the same speed but hey who cares. You do your best and let the chips fall where they will.
This bull that someone is making the money and you can’t is just that, bull.
When people stop complaining and start using the abilities that God gave them, then they will prosper.
Not everyone is will progress at the same speed but hey who cares. You do your best and let the chips fall where they will.
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Thing with trades is not so much an issue of "can't" with some folks, but "won't"...a flat out refusal to entertain the idea of doing a job that is "beneath" them....
But let their vehicle break down, their A/C stops working or their toilet springs a leak and who do they call? Who are they dependent on?
That's right...folks that ain't afraid to get dirty.
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Yep, he definitely likes working with his hands and getting dirty.
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More $ chasing the same limited resource. Econ 101. Too bad nobody in Gov’t over the last 20 years could see that. This stuff isn’t complicated with average intelligence or a basic education.
While all of that might be true it is not convincing at all because the presentation looks like BS. There's nothing to support the claim and the 50 year time gap leaves a huge question.
I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism. And good arguments.
I don't like or want socialism. I like free markets and capitalism. And good arguments.
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Which you won't find in Amerika.
At age 14, I was trying to devise ways of SEEING a pair of boobs, not getting a set of my own
60 years ago China was not open to the west and basically a 3rd world economy. Japan was likely still trying to figure out how to recover from the war and institute a new Gov system. So yeah, I wonder how that looked when Venezuela switched. But then again it's a good comparison in 2 economies that stepped away from command/control and one that went towards it. With predictable outcomes.
Germany was even better, two systems side by side. One prosperous and successful, the other so poor and corrupt that walls were needed to keep people from fleeing. But of course that wasn't real socialism...
Do you mind at least spelling it right?
The definition of Amerika is an alternative spelling for the name America (referring specifically to the United States of America) intending to portray the country as fascist and oppressive and culturally inferior. An example of the concept of Amerika is a song (by the same name) by German musical artist Rammstein.
Another variation is Amerikkka
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Well as many complaints as I have America is not fascist, oppressive or inferior. That’s the exact opposite of the country I live in.
Inverted totalitarianism and illiberal democracy both fit pretty well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy