Jeep J-10 coming back to life........

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Just imported from East Germany.... Got tied up in customs but its back!!!!


I've always said I would document my projects when I start turning wrenches but I've never taken the time to actually do it. I wind up with a finished product and have nothing to show where it came from so here we go...

This will be a long thread, may go months without updates or pics BUT the show shall go on....

A little background on the rig. Shes a 1979 Jeep J-10 Honcho Edition with 66k miles, originally came with Levi interior, 360ci, TH400/quadratrac with low range box. The seats were reupholstered years ago (anyone familiar with this trim package knows that the fabric was not up to snuff in the durability department), aside from that, it is completely stock.

The truck has been in my girlfriends family since new, her father purchased it when it was a couple years old from a distant relative and it has remained in his possession since around 1981. For the last 10+ years the truck has been sitting, silent. I'm told there was a fuel delivery/carb problem that kept the truck from running correctly. Needless to say, things came up, and interest was lost in getting it back running.

The girlfriend has wanted to fix up the truck for years, a few weeks back her father gave her the keys and said its yours.

After a few hours of fighting with locked up brakes, tow straps, and come-alongs she was loaded up on the trailer and off to her new home...
 
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Hopefully I'll be able to keep trucking along with this thing and not get side tracked too often. I've thoroughly enjoyed working on this thing. I've become accustomed to overly complicated and expensive repairs after turning wrenches on my 6.0 diesel for the past 5 years, I had forgotten how simple old trucks were to work on. Its a nice change to say the least. Anyway.. more pics...

All cleaned up.
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I thought I had taken a pic of the other side of the truck but apparently I did not, it looks the same as the driver side except with more rust. Ya'll will just have to trust me on that for now....

So... first things first, all plugs were removed and the cylinders were filled with marvel mystery oil. I let it sit for a few days and slowly started to turn the crank a bit to make sure the engine was freed up. As expected it was tight but did move with some persuasion. The cylinders are still soaking as I type this to make sure the rings are well oiled.

Then the carb was pulled, striped down, and soaked in a water/Pinesol solution at roughly 3:1 ratio. I read about this trick a while back and I'm surprised at how well it worked. The small parts were thrown in a ultrasonic cleaner with the same solution, as was the carb body after it soaked for a day or so. Parts were then thoroughly rinsed and sprayed down with carb cleaner. Autozone gave me the wrong carb kit so I got what I hope to be the correct on ordered today at Napa. The data plate is long gone so I had to guess which of the 4 kits I needed. For information sake, the carb is a Motorcraft 2150.

I believe I found one of the problems with the carb on disassembly, the idle mixture screws were screwed all the way in when they should have been about 3 turns out. The choke housing was also installed incorrectly in a way the bimetal spring could not open/close the choke plate. Only time will tell.

The end result of the soak and cleaning.
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So it was bound to happen, my first cross threaded/broken screw. After about 20 mins with the dremel, a carbide bit, the torch, and an ez-out, the screw was freed. As expected, the ez-out broke the first time I tried to remove it, luckily I had bored through the entire screw so a small punch was all it took to knock out the broken tip.
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I got the oil/filter changed tonight as well.

My goal is to have the engine running this weekend. However, there are few more things that need to be done before the key gets turned over. I need to build a new choke stove for the intake, reassemble/install the carb, and lastly pull the distributor to prime the oil pump and turn the engine over by hand a few times me make sure its all ready to roll. Wish me luck.
 
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I'm back again with important updates. It's been a long frustrating week/weekend. I've learned that locating the proper parts for this truck is a total PITA. The Carb kit I picked up from Napa was also incorrect, the ones they offered turned out to be for a Motorcraft 2100 not the 2150 as this truck has. I did finally find the correct kit after searching the archives on the FSJ forum. Luckily we were back in business after a quick ride to town.

As it turns out, there were more problems with the carburetor, I had previously mentioned that the bimetallic choke spring was installed incorrectly and the idle mix screws were turned in as far as they could go. One thing that I happened to over look on disassembly, the accelerator pump spring was missing all together. Fortunately, I had an extra carb I was able to source the spring from.... Fuel delivery issues... Yep... No way that truck would have run with the carb set up like it was.

Back on track, once the carb was back together I adjusted the carb/choke plate per information I got from the FSJ site. At this point we set the carb to the side and get back to the engine.

I marked the dizzy, both on the retaining plate and underneath the cap to insure it could be installed exactly as it was pulled out after I primed the oil pump. Diff to see in the pic but the dots are there, prior to removal the top dots were aligned.
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Dizzy pulled and set aside.
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Next order of business is to spin this slotted shaft....
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With this tool, chucked up in a drill...
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...until we feel resistance, then keep spinning it for a while longer to make sure all the oil passages and filter are primed.
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I've read that some feel this isn't necessary. However, with the truck sitting for 10+ years every step that can be taken to prevent damage/unnecessary wear should be taken.

Now that the oil system is primed and dizzy reinstalled. I turned the crank over by hand until I got tired of it. V-belt strap wrench on the power steering pulley worked perfectly for this.

My next uphill battle came with the choke stove. Apparently nobody makes a replacement stove/stove parts for the 360 so I had to make my own. I had planned on using steel brake line but let the guy at the parts store talk me into some nickle-copper tube because it was easy to bend.. Yep, easy as hell to bend, and just as easy to kink. After a few tries, I wound up with a "u" bend small enough to work but hardly good enough to brag about. The original choke stove mounting plate was mostly rusted and warped so I ground/drilled out a new one from 1/4 stainless. Now, before the critics start. This is a temporary part being used solely to tide me over until I can get the parts to convert the carb to 100% electric choke.

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I had originally planned for this to look somewhat professionally made and silver soldered together but I wasn't going to waste silver solder on this ugly thing. I figure the JB weld should hold up until I get the new choke. In hindsight I should have filled the tube with water, froze it, then made my bends in hopes the ice would keep the kinks out but I had a goal to have it back together and possibly running by the end of the weekend...
 
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So... on to the truck.

We ordered 15' of vac line thinking it would be plenty.... yea.... not so much. I did have enough to replace most everything on the engine but the cab HVAC controls and the transfer case vac lines still need to be replaced. I now have the new lines in so hopefully that will be knocked out within the next week.

The choke stove plate that I cobbled together has developed a substantial exhaust leak. Rather than spending the time to fix the part, I'm going to convert the carb over to a full electronic choke and make a block off plate for the exhaust cross over.

On to some good news, new plugs and 8mm wires were installed the same night as the vac lines. We were able to fire it up and get the carb tuned down a bit and set the idle by ear. I feel like the carb still needs some fine tuning due how rich the exhaust smells but she sounds awesome and has no hesitation throughout the RPM range, I haven't had the chance to pull a plug to check color. I can't express how surprised I am with the way this truck runs. I have a video that I will try to post tonight or tomorrow if I can figure out how to embed it from photobucket.

Next up is replacing all the radiator, heater hoses, coolant, belts, axel/trasfer case oil, and then looking into the brakes. The more I drive the truck around the yard, the better the brakes feel. Originally, I was planning on all new rotors, pads, drums, shoes, and rebuild kits for the rear. I'm really temped to inspect the brakes and flush the old fluid out, see how they feel, then make a decision on replacing everything. I was shooting for road ready by the end of the month, aside from tires. IMO I'm still on track with that plan.

If any of ya'll near Cumberland run across a good deal on some 31-33" tires on 6 lug chevy/nissan pattern wheels, holler at me. I don't need them to be new, just need them to be safe. I really love the way the old rust stained wheels look on the truck as it sits but I just don't know that I trust them with all the rust and pitting.
 
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I figured an update is over due.

I haven't mad much progress on the truck since last updated. Had to take a break from wrenching for a couple weeks, keeping up other vehicles has been wearing me out.

Got the new vac lines in and got the all the quadra trac vac lines replaced and the steel lines cleaned out. Also pulled out the rigged up choke stove and tiged on some more material to get the exhaust leak squared away.

Now, I have a question to all you jeep guys. Being as all the vac lines were jacked, I'm trying to figure out where the line for the HVAC controls and the line for the quadra trac switch hook up in relation to the vac ball on the fire wall. I've looked for diagrams but I cant find one for a 79.

We should make some good progress this coming week. If all goes well, short of tires, she'll be ready for some road action.
 
This is badass. Glad it made it over! I've got a soft spot for the jtrucks, always have. Cousins first truck was one.
 
Our progress has stalled on it for right now. The only things it needs to be back on the road now are good tires, brakes bled out and to have the new belts and hoses thrown on. Mostly a good days work but weather and other things keep getting in the way.
 
Nice job. Keep us updated.
 
Loving this thread, loving this build!
 
Rolling this up to the top with a couple updates and bad news.

The truck has been running perfect for the past few months, idling and driving around the yard. We've finally had some good weather so I've gotten back to work on the old girl.

The brake master cylinder was replaced years ago and the lines were never completely bled out. I ordered a pressure bleeder and got the brakes bled out. The pressure bleeder is awesome as long as you have a good seal on the master cylinder. Made a mess by not having the plate adjusted correctly. Once it was sealed up right it only took a few mins to bleed out the entire system.

We decided to hold off on lifting the truck for right now, wanted to get it on the road and run it some before adding the strain of 35s to the engine and trans. For the time being we picked up some Dick Cepek Extreme Country 31x10.5s and mounted them on the stock wheels.

So here we are, new tires, brakes ready to go, insurance, and tags squared away.. and now comes the bad news.

The other day we had it running in the yard and it seemed to have run out of gas (gas gauge doesnt work and we haven't put any in it in a while). I filled the tank back up and it seemed to be ok, but started wanting to stall out when it was put in gear. Still idling and running fine, just had to keep the gas to it when it was put in gear. It sat in the shop for a couple days on jack stands while I bled the brakes and got the new tires mounted, fired right up, backed it out and there it now sits. Will barely even fire up anymore.

It looked like the accelerator pump wasn't acting right so I went back through the carb and found a lot of trash that had apparently gotten by the filter. Carb cleaned and new fuel filter and it still wont fire up. Stumbles a little bit but that's it. Fuel pump appears to be functioning fine. Tested the coil which ohmed out of spec so we threw a new coil in. Still nothing. Carb is acting like its flooding the engine, it will stumble to a very very low speed idle and sometimes wants to backfire through the carb a bit with the pedal held to the floor and choke plate opened but wont do anything with the choke closed and pedal left alone. A quick shot of Ether does nothing as well.

Here's what I've tried
-Cleaned and recrimped the neg batt terminal (wire was corroded, cut it back to fresh copper).
-New fuel filter and carb cleaned/adjusted, double checked to make sure no trash is in/on the float needle.
-Fuel return line clear and free flowing when air is applied to it
-Fuel pump appears to be flowing plenty when engine is turned over.
-Pulled and cleaned the plugs which were black and wet (i'm assuming from previous no start cranking)
-Compression test which yielded ~90-95psi in all cylinders except the pass side rear two, couldnt get my and in the right possition to pull the wires to get the plugs out, going to get the old lady to give me a hand with that today.) all plugs except the rear two were removed for the test and throttle/choke held open. Sounds like rear two cyl do have compression by the way the engine sounded when being turned over.
-Timing advance on dizzy functions properly with vac applied
-Plugs and wires were replaced when we started this journey so still should be fine
-All the vac lines are new
- Replaced ignition module, cheap insurance just to rule that out.
-Coil is getting the proper voltage to it in the run position
-Rotor is turning with the engine cranking.

I can't for the life of me figure out what is going on with this thing. Nothing had been touched when it cut off or when the fuel tank was filled back up. At this point i'm temped to get another 5 gallons of fuel just to rule bad fuel out as a possibility. I'v read timing could be a problem but it was running great previously(have never checked the timing for what that's worth). Also read that the EGR can cause some issues if it hangs open but don't know if this could be a cause. I have not pulled the valve covers to inspect rockers and valve function yet.

I've racked my brain on this, if any of ya'll have any suggestions i'm all ears.
 
Vacuum leaks are the most common cause of jeep AMC 360 running issues. I know that you say all new lines, but doing the cleaner/WD40 check for leaks (engine idle speeds up when you spray near the leak). is the first thing that I would check.

Sometimes if you run out of gas you suck all of the crap in the gas tank into the "sock" filter on the fuel pickup. Then you can get intermittent interruption in fuel flow. Not an easy one to check. you have to drop the tank as I recall. Some folks have cut and hinged a square out of the bed to access the top of the tank more easily.

just random thought...
 
I'm the last guy to know, but might you have a sizeable piece of trash in the fuel line between the tank and the filter? I don't recall seeing where you every drained and cleaned the tank.

Edit: typed this before I saw vp9c posted.
 
If you've got spark, fuel and air then check the timing for #1 TDC and distributor relationship. Sounds like it might have skipped. Stretched chain?
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I spent a couple hours with a friend tonight going over everything that I've done and how the truck was running before this whole deal went down. No vac leaks, have good fuel flow, carb is clear. Its now looking like it has jumped timing and/or stripped the cam gear. Nylon cam gears in these trucks apparently (I had no idea it would have had them.) Checked timing with timing light and the timing mark wouldn't show at all on the balancer. Started playing with the dizzy and twisted it out counter clock wise, brought the mark back near the 15* advanced mark and aside from a little bit of a stumble it fired right up and stayed running. As its showing now, with it running close to normal its pushing 20-25* BTDC. We're going to get another opinion from someone else we know tomorrow but at this point its looking like I get to tear down the front of the engine and replace the timing gear set. Fun stuff.

I now have an excuse to buy a timing light lol.
 
Small update, It was the timing. No fiber/nylon gear however, the chain was stretched to the point I could walk the chain up a tooth on the cam gear. So, after waiting a couple weeks, the new timing set came in.. Long story short, tore it down and put it back together after being up for 24+ hours. Somehow got the dizzy 180* out after I got it buttoned back up (sleep deprivation I guess). Without checking the dizzy I started to second guess the cam/crank gear alignment with my working on it with lack of sleep. Said hell with checking the dizzy and decided to order another gasket set and tear it back down to be 110% sure... It was the dizzy alignment, crank and cam was perfect..:rolleyes: So shes back together, timing set and carb pretty close to where it needs to be but still needs tuning. I guess the positive part of this is I can now strip a J10 360 down to the timing set in ~30-40 mins and throw it back together with my eyes closed. Hopefully a skill that will forever go unused

Also did a compression test with the newly corrected timing set, now showing 145-150 psi all around :cool:

After 3 weeks of headache fighting this thing, we took it on its first pavement voyage in over 10 years. Its got some hesitation around 45-50 mph which I believe is a carb issue that I need to work out.

The cherry on top, it ran out of gas on the way home:mad::mad::mad:

Shes now in time out and i'm taking a break from holding a wrench for a couple weeks. :confused:
 
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Small update, It was the timing. No fiber/nylon gear however, the chain was stretched to the point I could walk the chain up a tooth on the cam gear. So, after waiting a couple weeks, the new timing set came in.. Long story short, tore it down and put it back together after being up for 24+ hours. Somehow got the dizzy 180* out after I got it buttoned back up (sleep deprivation I guess). Without checking the dizzy I started to second guess the cam/crank gear alignment with my working on it with lack of sleep. Said hell with checking the dizzy and decided to order another gasket set and tear it back down to be 110% sure... It was the dizzy alignment, crank and cam was perfect..:rolleyes: So shes back together, timing set and carb pretty close to where it needs to be but still needs tuning. I guess the positive part of this is I can now strip a J10 360 down to the timing set in ~30-40 mins and throw it back together with my eyes closed. Hopefully a skill that will forever go unused

Also did a compression test with the newly corrected timing set, now showing 145-150 psi all around :cool:

After 3 weeks of headache fighting this thing, we took it on its first pavement voyage in over 10 years. Its got some hesitation around 45-50 mph which I believe is a carb issue that I need to work out.

The cherry on top, it ran out of gas on the way home:mad::mad::mad:

Shes now in time out and i'm taking a break from holding a wrench for a couple weeks. :confused:
Glad you got her back running and it wasn't anything more than an ole timing chain. Let's fix the fuel gauge next?
 
Glad you got her back running and it wasn't anything more than an ole timing chain. Let's fix the fuel gauge next?

No kidding, have to fix the fuel fill hose while i'm in there also.. someone in the past 40 years decided heater hose and a sch40 elbow were appropriate items to construct a fill hose with :eek:

Next plans are carb tuning, fixing fuel filler/gas gauge, and wiring up an old cb (gotta let my inner redneck out and can't do that on the ham bands:D).Progress will be slow for the next couple months though. I recently acquired a k5 with new engine and trans, owner lost interest in finishing the engine install so I have that to button up. I'm a glutton for punishment it seems.:confused:
 
No kidding, have to fix the fuel fill hose while i'm in there also.. someone in the past 40 years decided heater hose and a sch40 elbow were appropriate items to construct a fill hose with :eek:

Next plans are carb tuning, fixing fuel filler/gas gauge, and wiring up an old cb (gotta let my inner redneck out and can't do that on the ham bands:D).Progress will be slow for the next couple months though. I recently acquired a k5 with new engine and trans, owner lost interest in finishing the engine install so I have that to button up. I'm a glutton for punishment it seems.:confused:
Look forward to seeing the progress. I have several projects I'm knee deep into also. I know all about the glutton for punishment. Sad thing is none of the projects are for me, all for customers:(
 
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I hit one of thoes head on in a 76 ford truck. I was running over 100mph and it knocked the axels off that jeep. I was about 16 at the time. Lucky to have survived it so was he. I went over the top of him and landed 200 feet later. My truck had a 390 HO motor put in it and i was responsible enough for that much power. Nice jeep by the way.
 
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Not surprising, these things aren't built like tanks as I once thought they were. After wrenching on my superduty for the past 5 years, I laugh at the dinky little driveshafts and other seemingly undersized parts this thing has. The girlfriend gets mad when I pick on its tiny little axles and driveline parts. :D
 
Wow, I just ran across this thread. Almost 3 years since my last post/update. @Sharps40 has already rebuilt an entire car since I been draggin tail on this project.

Reccon I'll bring this ole girl back from the dead.

As for updates, well, there are none. Almost 3 years and the only thing we've done is drive it and change the oil.... or maybe we didn't, hell I can't remember. :eek:

I've got some minor things we need to tackle on the old girl this summer, I'll do my best to keep the thread up, it'll be mostly boring maintenance. But maybe some of the others here could learn something from it.

My diy "temporary" choke stove is starting to leak so electric choke conversion may happen or maybe instead, a new intake and 4bbl carb.
We might work on the fuel gauge, that would be beneficial...
She seems to have developed a bit of a heat soak issue in the starter/starting system (doesn't like to crank over when hot)..
Maybe some u-joints and some more fluid changes.

I really need to stay on top of this. :rolleyes:

On the K5 front (which is now affectionately known as "Patches," yep, its 7 different colors) , it got a 6" lift, 35x12.5s, and some used 15x12s. Again, time flies, gotta get that thing tagged, insured, and driveshafts rebuilt so I can start driving it. 3 years, dang where has it gone..
 
How...in the hell.....did I....miss this thread.

I have such a raging clue right now. I need more pictures.
 
Fair enough
 

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As promised, I’m going to bug you on this till we see some progress. I’m also going to PM you.

Hey bud, no progress for now or the next few weeks. The shop is a wreck, currently building soffit storage, new work benches, organizing, new electrical etc. Temporary pallet racking in place for storage, repeaters and antennas everywhere, I do good to get the scooter and the mower in and out. Its a horrible mess.

How...in the hell.....did I....miss this thread.

I have such a raging clue right now. I need more pictures.

Started this project back at the old site, I moved everything over here after the migration. Old age is working on ya man, you were the one that asked me about keeping the A-Team graphics. :p

So uh.. hows that wagoneer :D
 
Hey bud, no progress for now or the next few weeks. The shop is a wreck, currently building soffit storage, new work benches, organizing, new electrical etc. Temporary pallet racking in place for storage, repeaters and antennas everywhere, I do good to get the scooter and the mower in and out. Its a horrible mess.



Started this project back at the old site, I moved everything over here after the migration. Old age is working on ya man, you were the one that asked me about keeping the A-Team graphics. :p

So uh.. hows that wagoneer :D

LMAO. I pushed it out of the garage to get something and then pushed it back in just last weekend.
 
Nice work. You can also put sand or table salt in tubing so you can bend it without damaging it.
 
Minor updates.

New starter to replace the original from 1979.
New solenoid.
Cleaned battery terminals and lugs.

The heat soak issue seems to be much improved but its still there, next on the list is new battery and grounding cables. Stock cables are stiff, insulation damaged in a few areas so I know there's been water intrusion/corrosion.

New u-joints in the rear driveshaft.
Still need to pull the front shaft and replace the three u joints up there. In true J10 engineering fashion, the transmission crossmember blocks access to the bolts securing the double cardan to the transfer case. I'll have to get front and rear wheels off the ground to spin the driveshaft for access to each bolt. Yay for Quadra-track!

Still need to drop the tank to address the inoperable fuel gauge issue. That should happen soon, right now I'm calculating trips based on 8-10mpg estimate for fuel fill ups. Seems to be working, haven't wound up on the side of the road yet.

Starting to eyeball 4bbl intakes and seriously considering a Sniper EFI kit for it. The 360 with factory 2bbl carb is a complete dog. I could throw on a 4bbl Edelbrock (and may still go that route) but the thought of having reliable fuel injection is pretty appealing. Humm, decisions.
 
I owned one in the early 80’s. Bought from an older guy I hunted with. Had almost no miles when I got it and had only been in 4wd a few times to keep everything lubricated as per the dealers instruct. I used it to hunt with 90% of the time and loved it but it nickeled and dimed me to death. There was always something that needed fixing. Nothing major, but it seemed like every time I needed it most, it would break down. When it was running right, it was a beast in the swamp.
 
I owned one in the early 80’s. Bought from an older guy I hunted with. Had almost no miles when I got it and had only been in 4wd a few times to keep everything lubricated as per the dealers instruct. I used it to hunt with 90% of the time and loved it but it nickeled and dimed me to death. There was always something that needed fixing. Nothing major, but it seemed like every time I needed it most, it would break down. When it was running right, it was a beast in the swamp.

This one has 67k miles on it now. Full time 4x4 quadra-track. I haven't taken it off road as we have been working on addressing lack of maintenance and improving some things. The wife and her father both claim its a beast off road. Parts have been cheap so far but I will say that what ever engineer designed these things apparently had malice in their heart. There's not one thing that I have touched on it that hasn't fought me or was more difficult to deal with than it should have been.

Forgot to add, may be addressing the a/c soon as well, have to grab some gauges and see what the charge looks like (if any). If its empty, i'll vac it down and will try to recharge it with Duracool and go from there. I hear good things about using it in R12 systems.
 
Starting to eyeball 4bbl intakes and seriously considering a Sniper EFI kit for it. The 360 with factory 2bbl carb is a complete dog. I could throw on a 4bbl Edelbrock (and may still go that route) but the thought of having reliable fuel injection is pretty appealing. Humm, decisions.

If I can make a recommendation, look into the Edelbrock pro flo kit if you are considering going EFI. It’s a multi point system that’s already got the aluminum intake attached to it. I like the snipers but they are a glorified flying toilet.
 
You won't get stranded underestimating your mileage. I'm surprised you're seeing double digits.

When we first got it on the road I kept track of the mileage pretty religiously, IIRC it was getting right at 11mpg back road driving. I don't let it get below what I *think* is half a tank.

I think my favorite part of this thread is how it started out "my girlfriend this, my girlfriend that," and now it's "my wife..."

She's a hell of a cook, has poor judgement (obviously), and has never told me what to do with my money. Can't blame a guy for makin hay while the sun shines. 🤣

If I can make a recommendation, look into the Edelbrock pro flo kit if you are considering going EFI. It’s a multi point system that’s already got the aluminum intake attached to it. I like the snipers but they are a glorified flying toilet.

Thanks bud, I'll look it up. Reckon Holly spends more on marketing. Seems like everyone messing with retro-mods or EFI conversions on the net goes with Holly (sponsorship I suppose).
 
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