Kentucky School Shooting

To start with, as a parent I hate hearing of these events. Totally breaks my heart to imagine it happening.

That said, over the next few hours we will learn if his is going to be a big rally cry for the antis. He has to be the right color, the right religion, and the right political affiliation in his family and past.
 
I've got a problem with a statement in this article:


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...-dead-and-multiple-wounded-officials-say.html

Parents are at the school trying to pick up kids, while police have locked it down and they're arguing between police and parents about getting their kids...

Kids are being shuttled to another part of town where the parents can get them. That's not cool in my opinion.

Someday there will be a coordinated effort with an additional shooter where they wait and attack the buses that are transporting the kids to a pick up point. Shuttling the kids out of the crime scene seems to be a playbook that was developed around the idea of Lone wolf shooters.
 
Kids are being shuttled to another part of town where the parents can get them. That's not cool in my opinion.

Don't they 'vet' all the kids before letting them go, trying to make sure the shooter or whatever is not slipping away with the crowd of kids running away? Rounding them up and moving them probably makes that easier (for the police, not the kids/parents).
 
Day of Wrath by Fortschen, read it.
It's SOP not to go to get your kids during a lock down. Parents add a layer of confusion to the chaos. But, the emotions will override the logic. Imagine trying to coordinate all those panicked parents and kids. Who's going home with whom?? Is the active shooter or shooters still around? What about a bomb? And you wonder why my daughter home schools. When one of my daughters was still in public school, I taught her to get away from the school and go to a local friends shop to call me.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1625...+forstchen&dpPl=1&dpID=51LD8J17brL&ref=plSrch
 
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I've got a problem with a statement in this article:


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...-dead-and-multiple-wounded-officials-say.html

Parents are at the school trying to pick up kids, while police have locked it down and they're arguing between police and parents about getting their kids...

Kids are being shuttled to another part of town where the parents can get them. That's not cool in my opinion.

This way they can help push the narrative.. Its easy to feed scared people info..
 
I've got a problem with a statement in this article:


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...-dead-and-multiple-wounded-officials-say.html

Parents are at the school trying to pick up kids, while police have locked it down and they're arguing between police and parents about getting their kids...

Kids are being shuttled to another part of town where the parents can get them. That's not cool in my opinion.


I think it makes perfect sense. None of the schools I've attended had large parking lots for parents to park. Even on normal school days, parents going in and out caused traffic to back up onto the main roads.

Now throw a school shooting into the mix. Say its an average sized school. 300 students. Now you have 300 TERRIFIED parents, with 300 cars all trying to be at the school RIGHT NOW. Traffic is gridlocked on roads going into and out of the school for a 1/2 mile or more. Road rage, folks driving up onto the shoulder. Car accidents putting additional stress on an already taxed EMS system.

Now say another shooting victim is found. Or a bomb. Additional EMS/Fire/Police units are needed urgently on the scene. They're not getting there and saving lives until those parents move out of the way. And as long as they're going to pick up their kids... we all know that isn't happening.

And when those parents get to the school, are they going to wait patiently while the police release the children and insure the shooter isn't hiding among them? No, it would be a mad dash, everyone trying to get into the school, people driving into athletic fields, etc. Probably some wannabe heroes running into the building with their CCW in hand hoping to help out. It would be chaos, and it would put more lives in danger, and could cause more needless deaths.

Schools already have a system for the quick and efficient egress of students. Busses. It makes perfect sense to check the students to insure the shooter isn't among them, then bus them to a secure location where parents can pick up their children in safety. It preserves the crime scene, allows the police to apprehend the shooter, and insures that the wounded victims get the care they need as fast as possible.
 
Someday there will be a coordinated effort with an additional shooter where they wait and attack the buses that are transporting the kids to a pick up point. Shuttling the kids out of the crime scene seems to be a playbook that was developed around the idea of Lone wolf shooters.

A bunch of scared kids running into the street while scared parents speed around recklessly looking for their kids is no safer. Add in an additional shooter, and its even more dangerous.
 
This probably didn't help the "control" issue for law enforcement...or accountability of children for the parents regardless of the "pickup" location.

Mitch Garland told The Associated Press he saw 100 children running out of the school seeking safety.
"They was running and crying and screaming," he said. "They was just kids running down the highway. They were trying to get out of there."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/2...-dead-and-multiple-wounded-officials-say.html

*UPDATED*

Two teenagers have died and 17 other people are wounded after a shooting at a Kentucky high school this morning, Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin said.

The suspect, a 15-year-old male student, was taken into custody, Bevin said.

Fourteen people suffered gunshot wounds, including the two victims who died, Bevin said at a news conference.

A 15-year-old girl died at the scene and a 15-year-old boy died at the hospital, Bevin said.

Kentucky State Police Commissioner Richard Sanders says the suspect in the fatal shooting at a Kentucky high school was armed with a handgun.
 
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One should realize that the procedure for releasing the kids wasn't an arbitrary decision. It was painstakingly thought out and implemented over a long time and adjusted anytime another incident occurs by security experts, not local politicians.

It may not be perfect but it's better than chaos.

Condolences to the victims and their families.
 
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Day of Wrath by Fortschen, read it.
It's SOP not to go to get your kids during a lock down. Parents add a layer of confusion to the chaos. But, the emotions will override the logic. Imagine trying to coordinate all those panicked parents and kids. Who's going home with whom?? Is the active shooter or shooters still around? What about a bomb? And you wonder why my daughter home schools. When one of my daughters was still in public school, I taught her to get away from the school and go to a local friends shop to call me.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1625...+forstchen&dpPl=1&dpID=51LD8J17brL&ref=plSrch


PM me, I have a link to an audio version.
 
PM me, I have a link to an audio version.
Can you post it up? If not, I'll PM you for the link. Everyone should hear/read this, not just parents. True to Fortschen's form, he poses questions that don't have good answers.

I'm going to post some info about alternative schooling in another thread.
 
I think it makes perfect sense. None of the schools I've attended had large parking lots for parents to park. Even on normal school days, parents going in and out caused traffic to back up onto the main roads.

Now throw a school shooting into the mix. Say its an average sized school. 300 students. Now you have 300 TERRIFIED parents, with 300 cars all trying to be at the school RIGHT NOW. Traffic is gridlocked on roads going into and out of the school for a 1/2 mile or more. Road rage, folks driving up onto the shoulder. Car accidents putting additional stress on an already taxed EMS system.

Now say another shooting victim is found. Or a bomb. Additional EMS/Fire/Police units are needed urgently on the scene. They're not getting there and saving lives until those parents move out of the way. And as long as they're going to pick up their kids... we all know that isn't happening.

And when those parents get to the school, are they going to wait patiently while the police release the children and insure the shooter isn't hiding among them? No, it would be a mad dash, everyone trying to get into the school, people driving into athletic fields, etc. Probably some wannabe heroes running into the building with their CCW in hand hoping to help out. It would be chaos, and it would put more lives in danger, and could cause more needless deaths.

Schools already have a system for the quick and efficient egress of students. Busses. It makes perfect sense to check the students to insure the shooter isn't among them, then bus them to a secure location where parents can pick up their children in safety. It preserves the crime scene, allows the police to apprehend the shooter, and insures that the wounded victims get the care they need as fast as possible.

I think that you are on the right path, but there is a big flaw in your post.
300 students is a SMALL school. Imagine that same situation with 1000. Imagine A THOUSAND scared kids and 500+ scared parents trying to enter that same small parking lot (obviously there will be some siblings, thats why I went half)


My thoughts are with the families and students of the school. Horrible what happened.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5302843/One-dead-injured-Kentucky-school-shooting.html

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This is becoming way to common. It’s at the point it’s hardly news anymore. I grew up never hearing of anything remotely like this as we brought shotguns and rifles to school in our truck gun racks for afternoon hunts for squirrels but never an incident with guns. Parents were parents back then. Today television and the internet consume kids lives. Add the fact cyber bullying is a constant.

Every school here has a resource officer roaming the halls and run the drug dog thru weekly. I realize mental stability plays the biggest role in these shooting but damn, can parents not see their kid is unstable and get them help. America is consumed with the almighty dollar, both parents working while kids roam the neighborhood. I don’t see an end to this madness. If you have a kid who is depressed or raging against the world then your guns should be locked down in a safe or removed to a relatives home.
 
America is consumed with the almighty dollar, both parents working while kids roam the neighborhood. I don’t see an end to this madness. If you have a kid who is depressed or raging against the world then your guns should be locked down in a safe or removed to a relatives home.

Both my parents worked and I roamed the neighborhood, either riding my minibike or hunting with my 16 gauge. This was in the '60's. In the '70's, we had our guns in our vehicles at school too. We also had our Buck folding knives on our belts.
 
No they cant see their kids are unstable. Its lost in the noise when crazy is everywhere and we're told to accept it as normal.

Well let me step up and be the first to say that if this is "normal", then normal sucks!!

I think that may be another branch of the problem, people just accept these things and therefore do nothing to correct the root of the cause. As long as it's accepted behavior I really don't see any change on the horizon......
 
The situation in the schools IMO is very complicated. No real way to fix it anytime soon. To me the downturn for schools started 30+ years ago when they did everything possible to take religion out of the schools. I'm not defending having God in school, but just saying it marked a milestone for the deterioration. The manufactured, multi-gender love thing of today is in no way a substitute. The media/TV/etc is a whole dynamic to the cause of failure at schools. Tough time to be a parent. My kids aged out a long time ago, but I worry for my nephews and nieces as parents.
 
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The Daily Mail always has the most detailed stories and pics. And they're based in the UK. o_O


Surprisingly yes they do most of the time! They certainly had better coverage of the terrorist attacks in Paris, London, and Niece the past few years. I don't know how they how such outstanding photojournalism while their written copy isn't always the best unless it's an anti-Trump article. I've added it to my daily news feed mainly to see what the American MSN is NOT reporting. On a side note being a UK "rag" you also get a decent amount of T&A / celebrity articles. Although not truly NSFW it's a site I don't typically peruse while at work. ;)
 
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