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After listen to Robb Wolf on Joe Rogan Experience and reading up, I'm going to switch to a strict Ketogenic diet.

Anyone else doing this?
 
I've not gone to a very strict Keto diet, but it does work and I've seen good results.
https://keto-calculator.ankerl.com
Is one of the best keto calculators I've found, can play with the variables to see what the results can be.
 
I'm doing it. Actually I guess I'm kinda starting again. Started and was on it for 3 weeks before I took a trip to Hawaii and took a break. Lost 23lbs in those 3 weeks, bad cholesterol dropped from borderline high to 3 points over "low", and all other vitals improved as well. Dr expects to take me off bp meds next visit. Starting was a pain (keto flu) but after that you feel great and really don't miss much in the carb camp (this coming from a guy that could eat bread all day).
 
I looked at that calculator...didn't know too.much protein would knock you out of keto.
 
I've looked into this one and off - serious question. What are you keto guys eating? I eat out a bit for lunch so I'm not sure how to make it work.

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Geerubb said:
I've looked into this one and off - serious question. What are you keto guys eating? I eat out a bit for lunch so I'm not sure how to make it work.

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Look online or on Amazon for paleo cookbooks.
 
Geerubb said:
I've looked into this one and off - serious question. What are you keto guys eating? I eat out a bit for lunch so I'm not sure how to make it work.

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Bacon cheeseburgers without the bun. Chick-fil-A nuggets are fairly low. I usually do one of the 2 if I'm on the road. If at a restaurant get a steak, grilled chicken, etc. If I'm cooking it's whatever. Tonight is pork tenderloin, brussel sprouts with bacon (never knew they were actually good until I started keto), greens, and some cauliflower mash. Use bacon grease, real butter, real cream, etc on Keto. Basically if you've been told it's not healthy your whole life, it's actually probably perfect for Keto.
 
^^^ This

I use Wendy's as my go to fast food joint. Get a double meal and you can get a side salad instead of fries. Get water to drink and your good to go.

My wife and I stopped at Cracker Barrel on the way home from PHA today and I had meatloaf, salad and two servings of green beans with water to drink. It ain't sexy, and I miss the bread (bad), but it works.

You can do it
 
MadMardigan said:
No more than 25g of carbs per day.
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That sounds extremely low. Macronutrients, as recommended by most professional clinical dietitians (including mine), typically call for carbs to be 50% of intake, protein as 20%, and fat 30%.

I'm having trouble getting below about 58% of total consumed food, and that's WITH a lot of changes in my diet

For the record, I am the last thing anybody would call overweight, but seeing a dietitian is it mandatory part of a paid-for Health program I'm doing through my job. I got accepted due to my back problems and not being able to work out with out the instruction of a professional.


This has helped me keep track of everything: I downloaded an app called MyFitnessPal and you enter everything you eat and drink during the day, work outs, etc, and it tracks your progress.
 
11B CIB said:
That sounds extremely low. Macronutrients, as recommended by most professional clinical dietitians (including mine), typically call for carbs to be 50% of intake, protein as 20%, and fat 30%.

I'm having trouble getting below about 58% of total consumed food, and that's WITH a lot of changes in my diet

For the record, I am the last thing anybody would call overweight, but seeing a dietitian is it mandatory part of a paid-for Health program I'm doing through my job. I got accepted due to my back problems and not being able to work out with out the instruction of a professional.


This has helped me keep track of everything: I downloaded an app called MyFitnessPal and you enter everything you eat and drink during the day, work outs, etc, and it tracks your progress.
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It is low. The problem is that the industry decided low fat and lots of sugar was the way to go. It's only been the past couple of years that ketogenic diets have really been studied and understood. Previously studies were done on sick people and keto was blamed for a bunch of problems. Now they're seeing that a high fat, low carb diet is actually beneficial for most people. 20-30 carbs a day was super low. Most people eat more than that at breakfast. Now they're realizing we don't need carbs to function. Instead of burning carbs, people on keto burn fat. I'd say that many studies are still too young but they've associated keto diets with higher brajn function, tumor reduction/shrinkage, etc. That's beyond the improvements in cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. Diabetics have been "low carb" for years (but still above keto levels). Now Doctors are prescribing keto diets for diabetics and people are able to actually reduce meds/insulin intake, or beat it altogether. It's still "new" enough that a lot of docs aren't familiar with it but that's going to change in the next year or 2 with the daily guidelines finally having been changed to show a reduction in carbs and an increase in healthy fats.
 
It sounds like it's kind of similar to the Whole30 program. I've done that twice (30 days) and survived. Lost ~24 pounds the first time, including 16 in the first 10 days. Just further proof of the crap I was eating.

The biggest difference was doing nothing but water, instead of sodas and sweet tea. The first time was last fall. Then we both said to with it and ate whatever we felt like from Thanksgiving through New Years. Probably gained 12-15 back.

Did the second round of Whole30 in Jan and within 10 days I was back down to my low point. As reverence, I started at 256. I saw under 230 for the first time (granted it was 229.something) in who knows how many years.

What I've now done is tried to stay as close to Whole30 as I can from Mon through lunch on Fri. Then not sweat it too bad for Friday evening through the weekend. My one consistent "cheat" is I add just a splash of fruit juice to the water I drink all day.

As an example, I ate a couple slices of bacon, plus some pineapple or cantaloupe for breakfast. Then a hamburger patty and some grapes or an orange for lunch. And then whatever recipe my wife wanted to try for supper. It was her idea to try Whole30, and I just decided to try it with her to make life easier on her.

She's trying to keep us a little more towards Paleo overall, but not as strict as Whole30.

It means I've bought new jeans and shorts in the last couple months. And had to have Curt add a couple holes to my belts.
 
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From a Keto app what my percentages for my goals.

Now, I will be doing this to lose weight for the first 30lbs, then I will tell the app to maintain or add mass when I'm ready. But I don't ever plan on coming off.
 
BigWaylon said:
It sounds like it's kind of similar to the Whole30 program. I've done that twice (30 days) and survived. Lost ~24 pounds the first time, including 16 in the first 10 days. Just further proof of the crap I was eating.

The biggest difference was doing nothing but water, instead of sodas and sweet tea. The first time was last fall. Then we both said to with it and ate whatever we felt like from Thanksgiving through New Years. Probably gained 12-15 back.

Did the second round of Whole30 in Jan and within 10 days I was back down to my low point. As reverence, I started at 256. I saw under 230 for the first time (granted it was 229.something) in who knows how many years.

What I've now done is tried to stay as close to Whole30 as I can from Mon through lunch on Fri. Then not sweat it too bad for Friday evening through the weekend. My one consistent "cheat" is I add just a splash of fruit juice to the water I drink all day.

As an example, I ate a couple slices of bacon, plus some pineapple or cantaloupe for breakfast. Then a hamburger patty and some grapes or an orange for lunch. And then whatever recipe my wife wanted to try for supper. It was her idea to try Whole30, and I just decided to try it with her to make life easier on her.

She's trying to keep us a little more towards Paleo overall, but not as strict as Whole30.

It means I've bought new jeans and shorts in the last couple months. And had to have Curt add a couple holes to my belts.
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If you have an iPhone get an App called Keto.

Keto is paleo, except really low carb. Research Robb Wolf. I listened to him on a Joe Rogan podcast and was blown away with the knowledge bombs he dropped as a biochemist and how the body works.

Even talked about how junk food companies chemist developed addictive food. Crazy stuff.
 
MadMardigan said:
If you have an iPhone get an App called Keto.

Keto is paleo, except really low carb. Research Robb Wolf. I listened to him on a Joe Rogan podcast and was blown away with the knowledge bombs he dropped as a biochemist and how the body works.

Even talked about how junk food companies chemist developed addictive food. Crazy stuff.
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Sadly it's not even just junk food companies anymore. Low-fat everything now and it's all loaded with sugar. No wonder diabetes is so rampant now.

As a fat guy, I have to say this is the best "diet" anyone can get on. Real butter, cream and creamy sauces, bacon on everything? And I lose weight, feel better, watch my cholesterol and bp drop like a rock? Hell yes. I hit 400lbs at one point. I've been on every diet out there. This is the only one I've ever actually ENJOYED being on. Once my wife is done breast feeding I'm moving her over it too. That's the only part that's a pain. I'm the chef so cooking 2 meals can get tiring. Luckily breast feeding takes a ton of calories and it doesn't hurt her to eat some of mine along with her pastas and stuff.
 
My wife and I eat 5 dozen eggs a week, 3 packs of bacon, lots of red meat, lots of chicken and pork, and a fair amount of green veggies.

She makes us an egg (14) sausage (one bass farm) green pepper (1) onion (1) and seasoning (chili powder, garlic salt, pepper) casserole that we eat for breakfast. It's easy and it's delicious.

For lunch I take boiled eggs (3) and meat

For dinner we have meat and veggies/salad with homemade dressing (DUKES mayo, mustard, stevia) that is very good on salad. Maybe beanless chili, meatloaf without sauce, etc. It's easy to follow.
 
Anytime I ask anyone about Ketosis and Ketogenics, friends start popping talking about losing x lbs in so many days. Then I read around about the health benifits and crap I'm going through like CPAP and stuff. I think 100% of all of my issues are from my crappy diet.
 
MadMardigan said:
Then I read around about the health benifits and crap I'm going through like CPAP and stuff. I think 100% of all of my issues are from my crappy diet.
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I keep thinking about a day without my CPAP machine.

Mainly for things like how nice it would be to take the occasional nap without one. Or for the father/child campout at church each year.
 
...but I'm also realistic enough to know there won't be a whole lot of additional weight loss until some actual physical activity gets added in. :oops:
 
BigWaylon said:
...but I'm also realistic enough to know there won't be a whole lot of additional weight loss until some actual physical activity gets added in. :oops:
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I lift, simple routine. If your ever interested, I can send you the routine. It's 3 days a week, 45 mins a workout on average
 



Interesting discussion, they cover different topics, but Robb Wolf is a biochemist who has UC and studied the effects of different foods on our bodies and how they change our biomes and crap.
 
If I didn't know better, I'd think I posted this thread.

Keto going on about three weeks now. Not for any special reason other than dietary boredom. I find food and how my body responds to be quite interesting.

To be more specific, I'm on The Whiskey Diet - a book I'll probably write in the near future. - It involves intermittent fasting, keto, and Irish whiskey.

Interestingly, I listened to this podcast yesterday over a cigar. Enjoyed the heck out of it, and told the 9-coyote killing pitbull story at least a few times now. I think I actually did post this podcast on the forum yesterday.

edit to add today's food:

breakfast (post-workout): 7 eggs, nitrate free ham, 1 avocado, slap o sour cream
lunch: 8oz ground beef with taco seasoning, cabbage, spinach, 1 avocado, sour cream
lunch 2: repeat lunch 1
dinner 1: big thing of baked kale
dinner hold over: 4 fingers of irish whiskey
dinner: repeat lunch + 5 eggs and sour cream

ya man.
 
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Anybody ever try Anabolic Diet or Anabolic Fasting? Low carb five days then normal diet on weekends. Heard about it by accident listening to an interview with Shelby Miller of the Arizona Diamondbacks.
 
BigWaylon said:
...but I'm also realistic enough to know there won't be a whole lot of additional weight loss until some actual physical activity gets added in. :oops:
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I did a sort of half assed keto with exactly zero gym time and lost 35lbs in 5 months (from 2XL shirts to XL, size 38 to a baggy 36). In ketosis, your body is trained to burn fat for fuel, and if you have a supply, it'll burn it, same as if you were on the treadmill.

Of course, when I went off, I gained the weight back, but I'm doing it again now. The first two weeks are pretty crappy and strict, but after a few months you can play with your carb intake a bit. I could go up to 75g of carbs and not knock myself out of keto, and I could still let myself have ice cream once per week (my weakness).

If you're like me and tend to get into work only to realize 8 hours later you're starving and eating whatever trash is immediately available, I recommend keeping pecans/almonds/walnuts by as an emergency fuel.
 
Most of today's 'diet's are low-carb/low-sugar. It works and it the way to go. Too low for loo long can be very damaging to the renal system and can nuke the kidneys in people with kidney disease. For an induction phase a la Atkins, it's OK, but if you stay below 25g too long your kidneys will pay the price as the body attempted to force large protein molecules through the ol' bean.

For most otherwise healthy people, though, it should be fine.

Typically if you eliminate bread, pasta, grains, potatoes (white, not sweet), and sweets, make the bulk of the diet protein and veggies, you will be on your way.
 
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11B CIB said:
That sounds extremely low. Macronutrients, as recommended by most professional clinical dietitians (including mine), typically call for carbs to be 50% of intake, protein as 20%, and fat 30%.

I'm having trouble getting below about 58% of total consumed food, and that's WITH a lot of changes in my diet

For the record, I am the last thing anybody would call overweight, but seeing a dietitian is it mandatory part of a paid-for Health program I'm doing through my job. I got accepted due to my back problems and not being able to work out with out the instruction of a professional.


This has helped me keep track of everything: I downloaded an app called MyFitnessPal and you enter everything you eat and drink during the day, work outs, etc, and it tracks your progress.
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Quite honestly, if you have the time and can afford to see a dietitian that knows what the hell they are doing, having a balanced diet planned for you (along with exercise) and sticking to it is the best way to achieve long term weight stabilization and health.

The problem is most people eat crappie carbs when they do eat them. And ketosis diets allow for cheating to satisfy cravings.

But as soon as you come off of one, you tend to binge and then you gain most of it back.

Ketosis diets, IMO are only good for the start of a long term fitness program to shed fat very quickly. Then you need to stabilize and continue a work our regimen.
 
GoWolfpack said:
This is not a concern if you have normal healthy kidney function.
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No, which is why I said "....in people with kidney disease."

The biggest problem healthy people have with very-low carb diets is underhydration; those big-ass protein molecules do need water to move through.
 
Chdamn said:
The problem is most people eat crappie carbs when they do eat them.
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The problem is that many people don't want to distinguish between crappy carbs and good / useful ones. If you're going to eat carbs, they need to come from high-fiber fruits and vegetables, not sugars and breads.
 
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