Ketosis

bigfelipe said:
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Now you have just gone too far! Give up coffee? Nope, have not done it. Just drink it black. BTW, the MIO electrolyte drink additives work with this. I use it at work of if I'm outside a lot. Straight water only does so much for so long with me.

Down 14 lbs so far. Getting harder to loose so this may be where I end up. I weigh less than I have in 15 years. Not taking allergy meds and don't need them anymore. Stopped taking my BP meds and I'm holding around 120/80 for nearly a week without them. Pretty happy with it so far.

Wife's Gall blader is acting up occasionally so she is tweaking things a bit to calm it down. Either the protein or the fat she needs to be careful with. Trying to figure it out. Usually happens with rich cuts of meat at dinner. Good news is her acid reflux is doing far better.
 
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chiefjason said:
Now you have just gone too far! Give up coffee? Nope, have not done it. Just drink it black. BTW, the MIO electrolyte drink additives work with this. I use it at work of if I'm outside a lot. Straight water only does so much for so long with me.

Down 14 lbs so far. Getting harder to loose so this may be where I end up. I weigh less than I have in 15 years. Not taking allergy meds and don't need them anymore. Stopped taking my BP meds and I'm holding around 120/80 for nearly a week without them. Pretty happy with it so far.

Wife's Gall blader is acting up occasionally so she is tweaking things a bit to calm it down. Either the protein or the fat she needs to be careful with. Trying to figure it out. Usually happens with rich cuts of meat at dinner. Good news is her acid reflux is doing far better.
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Eggs made my wife's gallbladder act up.
 
bigfelipe said:
Keto day 3... Feel like shit... That is all...
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I don't know much about it, but I've heard people say the first few days are the toughest. Once the body transitions into ketosis, things get better.

Skimming this thread around lunchtime reminds me it's time to order from Hungry Howie's. :D
Seriously though, stick with it, it gets better. And remember to take in enough fat! Those two meals you posted look tasty, but I'm sure that's a significant caloric reduction from your regular diet.
 
drypowder said:
I don't know much about it, but I've heard people say the first few days are the toughest. Once the body transitions into ketosis, things get better.

Skimming this thread around lunchtime reminds me it's time to order from Hungry Howie's. :D
Seriously though, stick with it, it gets better. And remember to take in enough fat! Those two meals you posted look tasty, but I'm sure that's a significant caloric reduction from your regular diet.
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They call it Keto flu.
 
bigfelipe said:
How do you know your gallbladder is acting up?
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If it's never happened to you, it might be tougher to notice. But once you know it, no mistaking it. It's a sharp pain just under your ribcage on your right side if it's bad. Mild is more of an ache. My wife has issues with it mostly with meat.

@MadMardigan I mentioned that to her. But she eats eggs at breakfast. Her's acts up after dinner though, so figuring the meat. Apparently it's the processing of the cholesterol/fat that kicks it off. So eggs make sense too, especially whole eggs.
 
chiefjason said:
If it's never happened to you, it might be tougher to notice. But once you know it, no mistaking it. It's a sharp pain just under your ribcage on your right side if it's bad. Mild is more of an ache. My wife has issues with it mostly with meat.

@MadMardigan I mentioned that to her. But she eats eggs at breakfast. Her's acts up after dinner though, so figuring the meat. Apparently it's the processing of the cholesterol/fat that kicks it off. So eggs make sense too, especially whole eggs.
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After she eliminated eggs she hadn't had anymore pains. But I think it was cause of the volume of eggs being eaten
 
drypowder said:
Thanks, yeah, that jogs my memory a bit. I recall Tim Ferris or one of his podcast guests talking about it - said it was easier just to stay in ketosis than to cycle in and out because of the transition period each time you cycle into ketosis.
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I only got it bad the first time I went into keto like 3 years ago. My body had a steady stream of sugar for like 25 years, then when I cut it out, I felt awful for about 5 days.

Now though, if I bounce in and out of ketosis a little, it's not a thing.
 
drypowder said:
Thanks, yeah, that jogs my memory a bit. I recall Tim Ferris or one of his podcast guests talking about it - said it was easier just to stay in ketosis than to cycle in and out because of the transition period each time you cycle into ketosis.
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Take Magnesium supplements and drink mio with electros.
 
drypowder said:
Thanks, yeah, that jogs my memory a bit. I recall Tim Ferris or one of his podcast guests talking about it - said it was easier just to stay in ketosis than to cycle in and out because of the transition period each time you cycle into ketosis.
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Kicks my arse to cycle in and out. Feels like a bad hangover. I choose to stay in.
 
Only very tangentially related, but fascinating nonetheless: A 27-year-old who weighed 456 pounds survived without any food for 382 days

Once his body went fully into ketosis, I wonder if his energy levels were relatively normal. I'd imagine his will to continue would be sapped if his energy levels were really low, not to mention the docs would probably call it off if that were the case. Perhaps the most interesting part is that he managed to keep the weight off, which seems to be a huge hurdle for people who do successfully shed a lot of weight (typically via more traditional diets, i.e., non-ketogenic diets).

Interesting stuff, even though I'm in the opposite camp and trying to gain weight, hence the pizza in the fridge and brownies in the freezer. :)

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread yet, but Tim Ferris has experimented a bunch with ketosis, and he's had a few guests on his podcasts where the topic of discussion was ketogenic diets, including one really fascinating interview with a scientist who essentially studies ketosis and practices it himself.
 
I am taking supps and getting fluids and salts. Good there. Just never had such a junkie-like jones before from a diet. The poor energy is just from the low caloric intake of the 1st 30-day cleanse part. I've been off the wagon for too long and between a number of antibiotic regiments over the last year and the massive quantities of diet soda I've been drinking, my gut is shot. Working on a probiotic turn around and getting back into ketosis hardcore for awhile to shed the weight and get back to healthy.

As to the Mio, I cut out sucrolose. It's REALLY bad on good intestinal bacteria. I use a stevia-based, all natural drink additive called Stur. Same little squirt bottle, no sucro...
 
chiefjason said:
If it's never happened to you, it might be tougher to notice. But once you know it, no mistaking it. It's a sharp pain just under your ribcage on your right side if it's bad. Mild is more of an ache. My wife has issues with it mostly with meat.

@MadMardigan I mentioned that to her. But she eats eggs at breakfast. Her's acts up after dinner though, so figuring the meat. Apparently it's the processing of the cholesterol/fat that kicks it off. So eggs make sense too, especially whole eggs.
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What causes it? Something to be concerned about? 1st I've heard about it...
 
Soooo I ate an entire fathead pizza myself. Had major diarrhea and pretty sure I got an internal hemorrhoid from it. Been stopped up for a couple days. Took 3g of magnesium oxide about two hours ago. Softened things up enough and I'm literally pissing shit out of my butt right now

Wtfffffff

I have never had problems with dairy but maybe the carbs in normal pizza does something this doesn't.

Gahhhhh
 
Well, Easter did not help. But I also decided not to care that much. We tried to keep carbs down, but a bit of mac & cheese, a small piece of cake, and a small piece of honey loaf. Worth it. Bumped back up to 197 yesterday, 3.5 lbs or so. Did better yesterday and back to 195. Certainly not a lot of wiggle room. But it seems I can jump back in pretty easy if it's only a day off.
 
So Day 13 into my Keto Cleanse... Almost halfway there. Weigh in this morning... 239#! That's 16 pounds in 13 days and I feel great! Would love to see another 10 gone before I finish the cleanse. May see some slowing, but I think that's reasonable the rate I'm going. My goal is 220# for now. When I get there, we'll see. I'm lighter than I was a couple years back when I kinda went off the wagon on Akins after losing 35-40# and plateauing. In that time I put 15 back on. Not going to let that happen this time...
 
Anyone know how accurate the strips are? I'm upper mid range, but not seeing the REALLY high levels. Curious what I can be doing to maximize my levels...
 
bigfelipe said:
Anyone know how accurate the strips are? I'm upper mid range, but not seeing the REALLY high levels. Curious what I can be doing to maximize my levels...
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The strips are the least accurate, but the easiest. IMO, I wouldn't sweat getting to really high levels as long as you can get to moderate. Heck, I barely register most days and still drop 1/2 to 1 lb. When I was hitting moderate I might drop 2-3 lbs.

At this point my wife and I are down over 30 lbs total. She hung up some this week but dropped a couple towards the end. Trying to fit this diet in with her gall bladder and kidney issues makes it harder for her. I hit 188 this morning, down almost 22 lbs. That's my lowest weight since sometime around, or shortly after, college. I can tell I'm probably bottoming out. It's coming off a half lb or less at a time. But I'm also not trying hard anymore, more maintaining.
 
My strips register pretty high. just not the highest level. Just under it... Just curious. Didn't know if I could use them as a reliable indicator to make adjustments and maximize my diet... They were cheap and easy. I figured I'd give them a try out of curiosity...
 
Anyone ever use powdered keitones to kick-start the process if you eat something that knocks you out? Is that even possible?
 
bigfelipe said:
Anyone ever use powdered keitones to kick-start the process if you eat something that knocks you out? Is that even possible?
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I'm far from an expert at a month or so into this, but here is what I have noticed. FWIW, I'm down to 187 lbs. My goal BMI per most Dr's and charts is 185. When I was at 195 and ate something that I figured would kick me out I would hold my weight or maybe pick up 1/2 or 1 lb. Now I'm noticing that I can work small amount of carb in and still loose weight. I ate pork on corn tortillas for dinner the other night, and probably had 5-6 of the corn tortillas. By the morning I was down .5 lb. I expected to gain that much. On my nights off I have started doing a fruit smoothy as a snack/reward. Still loosing weight and it's high in carbs and sugar from the fruit. So for me it seems the closer I get to ideal wight the more my body just deals with it and burns it. One thing to add, I work nights. So I go to work after dinner. I burn a lot more calories after dinner than most folks, and dinner is my biggest meal.

If I feel like I fall out of it, and my weight shows that, I knuckle down for that day and I'm generally back to loosing the next morning. So if I cheat on the weekend I pay more attention to what I eat on Monday to kick it back in. The only "additive" I have used was adding coconut oil to my coffee early on to get more fat. I stopped that about a week ago.
 
chiefjason said:
I'm far from an expert at a month or so into this, but here is what I have noticed. FWIW, I'm down to 187 lbs. My goal BMI per most Dr's and charts is 185. When I was at 195 and ate something that I figured would kick me out I would hold my weight or maybe pick up 1/2 or 1 lb. Now I'm noticing that I can work small amount of carb in and still loose weight. I ate pork on corn tortillas for dinner the other night, and probably had 5-6 of the corn tortillas. By the morning I was down .5 lb. I expected to gain that much. On my nights off I have started doing a fruit smoothy as a snack/reward. Still loosing weight and it's high in carbs and sugar from the fruit. So for me it seems the closer I get to ideal wight the more my body just deals with it and burns it. One thing to add, I work nights. So I go to work after dinner. I burn a lot more calories after dinner than most folks, and dinner is my biggest meal.

If I feel like I fall out of it, and my weight shows that, I knuckle down for that day and I'm generally back to loosing the next morning. So if I cheat on the weekend I pay more attention to what I eat on Monday to kick it back in. The only "additive" I have used was adding coconut oil to my coffee early on to get more fat. I stopped that about a week ago.
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Cool. I'm new to doing it this way too. Bit different from the low-carb stuff I've done before. Saw the powdered ketones on amazon and after the sticker shock I was curious what they do. If it can be used as a kick-start, I can see a usefulness and justify the cost. If it's just some expensive work-out crap, then not so much...

I only had the one bad meal Thursday night, but had a beer and a bourbon yesterday which is probably just as bad. Gonna be way off diet in a few days for our anniversary "weekend" but I want to see what it takes to get back into it after cheating/hiatus.

I'll tell you this. Alcohol messes me up now. One good beer and I'm buzzed...
 
bigfelipe said:
I'll tell you this. Alcohol messes me up now. One good beer and I'm buzzed...
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Yes it does. My drink of choice right now is Jim Beam Honey straight. It does not kick me out either. Straight liquor has little to no carbs. I figure the Honey has some but does not bother me.


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chiefjason said:
Yes it does. My drink of choice right now is Jim Beam Honey straight. It does not kick me out either. Straight liquor has little to no carbs. I figure the Honey has some but does not bother me.


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Yeah, the beer is the danger. I only had 3 over two nights, but it's a good bit of carbs in a decent beer these days... But it's SOOOO good...
 
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bigfelipe said:
Anyone ever use powdered keitones to kick-start the process if you eat something that knocks you out? Is that even possible?
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Fasting.....
If I eat something I shouldn't, I'll do some Keto, Bullet Coffee.... whatever you want to call it for breakfast, big Ozark Trail tumbler full of coffee with butter and coconut oil, that will take me till 2-3 in the afternoon and them have dinner, seems to bring me back on track.



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i wa sunder the impression for a long timetha t alcohol was metabolized assugar.

i was wrong.

bulleit 95 rye.

tullamore dw.

zevia.

anyways, i enjoy this thrad.
 
NCMedic said:
Fasting.....
If I eat something I shouldn't, I'll do some Keto, Bullet Coffee.... whatever you want to call it for breakfast, big Ozark Trail tumbler full of coffee with butter and coconut oil, that will take me till 2-3 in the afternoon and them have dinner, seems to bring me back on track.



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I just started this trendy bulletproof coffee thing. I always drink coffee black so it is certainly odd sipping a sweet/creamy beverage in the morning. I don't have a special blender so I just whisk it in a pot. Works well enough for me. I won't be using the MCT oil, just been doing organic grass-fed butter and organic heavy cream.
 
IrishCannon said:
I just started this trendy bulletproof coffee thing. I always drink coffee black so it is certainly odd sipping a sweet/creamy beverage in the morning. I don't have a special blender so I just whisk it in a pot. Works well enough for me. I won't be using the MCT oil, just been doing organic grass-fed butter and organic heavy cream.
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I'm a black coffee drinker as well and it took a little bit of getting used to.
I've found that about 50 grams of Coconut Oil and Butter each is about right for a big 24oz Ozark Trail tumbler.
I've been putting some protein powder in in as well in the morning, which I suppose is fancy powdered creamer as well and it see to be going pretty good, although you need a blender if your adding protein powder. I bought a little battery powered whisk / frother thing off Amazon which works pretty good with just the butter and oil, although I've found a blender helps emulsify things better and doesn't seem to separate as easy.



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IrishCannon said:
My strips rarely ever register anything. Whatevs. I stopped caring. Shouldn't have ever even bought them.

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I've learned to listen to my body. I get the ketone taste in my mouth, and absolutely crave pecans when I'm in full keto.

As far as going in and out, once I go through the initial phase, I can go up to 75-100g on carbs before I feel myself slip out. I just fast for 24 hours and it kicks back on.

I'm an extremely poor planner in regards to meals, so I usually don't get enough fat and tend to feel like crap a lot. Kudos to those of you what work full time and get your meals planned out.
 
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