Kyle Lamb, Larry Vickers and Scott Reidy

jimmyjames8 said:
Back in the day I shot USPSA with LAV, Kyle and Todd Jarrett. I should have paid more attention to their shooting instead of picking up their brass (which they didnt want back).
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Wild guess: Todd slaughtered everybody.

That dude is amazing.
 
Not sure I ever saw them all at the same match on the same day. Fastest gun I ever saw was Matt McLaren from Canada. Fast and accurate. Todd back then was more smooth than he was fast. Smooth was good enuff to win everything.
 
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jimmyjames8 said:
Not sure I ever saw them all at the same match on the same day. Fastest gun I ever saw was Matt McLaren from Canada. Fast and accurate. Todd back then was more smooth than he was fast. Smooth was good enuff to win everything.
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No points or score in USPSA (or any other match I am aware of) for being smooth. Speed and accuracy are the only things that count, no?
 
Maybe he was working the "slow is smooth & smooth is fast" angle? I know it sounds like BS on the surface, but real speed doesn't happen till you've mastered smooth.
 
Honestly: slow is just slow.
The timer doesn’t lie. You either go slower or faster.
“Slow is smooth and smooth is fast” is just BS.

You win by being faster and more accurate.
Hit factor is the points you score divided by your time. It is simply: points per second.

Todd himself will tell you this. In fact, Chris Tilley (a student of Todd’s) wears a tshirt that says “slow is just slow”.

This mantra gets repeated a lot, but if you really think about it, it’s not really true. Although “smooth is faster” makes some sense.
 
NKD said:
Honestly: slow is just slow.
The timer doesn’t lie. You either go slower or faster.
“Slow is smooth and smooth is fast” is just BS.

You win by being faster and more accurate.
Hit factor is the points you score divided by your time. It is simply: points per second.

Todd himself will tell you this. In fact, Chris Tilley (a student of Todd’s) wears a tshirt that says “slow is just slow”.

This mantra gets repeated a lot, but if you really think about it, it’s not really true. Although “smooth is faster” makes some sense.
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I just interpreted it from our way of rehearsal and skill progression: crawl, walk, run. You can't run the skill until you crawl it. Anywho, just my interpretation.
 
Chuckman said:
I just interpreted it from our way of rehearsal and skill progression: crawl, walk, run. You can't run the skill until you crawl it. Anywho, just my interpretation.
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Yes. True. This makes sense in the context of a child learning to run.

However, the context in this thread, is Grandmaster Todd Jarret. One of the best shooting professionals in the world.

I think he is a little beyond the crawl and walk stage bro.
 
NKD said:
Yes. True. This makes sense in the context of a child learning to run.

However, the context in this thread, is Grandmaster Todd Jarret. One of the best shooting professionals in the world.

I think he is a little beyond the crawl and walk stage bro.
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For the record, I don't know who he is (aside from what I read here).

I was speaking strictly from the "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" perspective. I would imagine, based on what you said, he'd be on the right side of the bell curve. The SISSIF thing is for folks on the left side of the bell curve.
 
Chuckman said:
For the record, I don't know who he is (aside from what I read here).

I was speaking strictly from the "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" perspective. I would imagine, based on what you said, he'd be on the right side of the bell curve. The SISSIF thing is for folks on the left side of the bell curve.
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This whole conversation is based on top pros shooting a competition. This is about the notion that Todd won a match, by going slower, which made him smoother, and that somehow made him faster.

If your point is that people shouldn't go faster than they are capable of shooting, then that is certainly true. But in no way is shooting slower making them faster. It's making them slower.


Edit: I'd also point out that the crawl/walk/run is a bad analogy. Because it would be "By crawling, you go faster". Which just isn't true.
 
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NKD said:
This whole conversation is based on top pros shooting a competition. This is about the notion that Todd won a match, by going slower, which made him smoother, and that somehow made him faster.

If your point is that people shouldn't go faster than they are capable of shooting, then that is certainly true. But in no way is shooting slower making them faster. It's making them slower.
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OK. The whole conversation (minus my part). I think I have made my position clear though. It sounds like we are in understanding re: context.
 
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Fellas, I am not trying to stir a pot, just think that this is an interesting discussion.

We hear SISSIF a lot, and I think it's important to discuss if it is really true or not. I first heard this in the context or motorcycling and hear it a lot in the shooting world, often times by shooters a lot better than me.
 
NKD said:
Fellas, I am not trying to stir a pot, just think that this is an interesting discussion.

We hear SISSIF a lot, and I think it's important to discuss if it is really true or not. I first heard this in the context or motorcycling and hear it a lot in the shooting world, often times by shooters a lot better than me.
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We do hear it a lot. I think it is sort of on the edge of something much more true in competition shooting but misses the point: The fastest shooters have eliminated everything that isn't necessary from their technique. No pauses (of course, but not even to see whether they hit, because they know already), no extra movement, no extra trigger travel on reset, no extra movement on reloads etc... That's the obvious stuff. Then you combine it all in parallel - so the eyes, hands, feet, balance, are all being as efficient as possible at the same time. It isn't just that the body is doing each thing quickly without wasting any time, it's that each part of the body is doing its next thing quickly without wasting time. So when coming into a new shooting position, everything is working in parallel to get into the right position, balance, grip, stance, sight picture, etc... to come together at once for the next shot.

It looks smooth, but it's a whole lot of coordinated fast happening at the same time, and none of it by accident :)

The opposite of this is the nervous new shooter at first match or two that looks like they are on caffeine buzzing around the stage doing things quickly (abruptly even, mostly one deliberate action at a time that has their full attention) but they still take a very long time. The contrast between this very busy but jerky and anything but smooth performance and a pro's actually fast performance that looks really smooth is probably where the saying comes from.
 
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