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Everyone involved in that video needs to be five fingered to the face, Rick James style. Stupid, all the way around.
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But it shows the levels of animosity and they are only going to get stronger.
What I took from that is that Antifa lost when people with sense got fed up and resisted, in Berkeley of all places. If they can't win there there may be hope for the country.
Yes. It is going to escalate, in organization and violence level on both sides I expect.
Yes. It is going to escalate, in organization and violence level on both sides I expect.
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Oh I get that. And they've tipped their hand that they're not so pacifist that they're can't pick up a weapon to threaten me with it. I appreciate the intel.
Between now and the time that they decide to actually try to cash the checks their stupid ideas are writing, I'll continue to laugh at them. And when they want to cash those checks, well, let me go get my banker's hat on...
And that's the thing.....This will come to a head, sooner, I suspect than later.
People discount these folks as rabble that will disperse with violence; we ought not underestimate their willingness to be violent to force their nonsense on others.
One advantage they have - and it's a huge advantage - is organization. They actually turn out, often, in large numbers.
No army can sustain itself indefinitely on fanaticism alone. But if it's marching essentially unopposed....
....It doesn't have to.
The rabble that @SPM mentions is predominantly urban. In fact, the "left" is almost entirely urban. Would we be willing (and able) to targe the urban centers when our way of life is on the line? Obviously, by target the immediate implication is nuke, which would really be amongst the most merciful ways to wipe them out, but simply cutting off the resources from the cities and keeping them contained while letting nature run it's course would work too.
No, because if things go hot, the State will not be on our side in any of this - nor will control of any nukes. Even if we had them, would you honestly propose using them, on American soil, against our misguided countrymen?
My point is, the Bolsheviks were just a small urban group at one time too. But they were persistent. The Nazis, likewise were a small, radical movement that was largely ignored until they were swept into power.
We are living at an inflection point in history: failure to recognize it or take it seriously is a mistake done at our own peril.
The other question is that even if all parties were agreeable is there a way to peaceably divide the country into urban vs non urban peoples? And if not then one group has to win, and one has to lose. Either by demographics, intellectual victory or force.
The State is part of the problem. The State will quickly become the enemy of the People. The State will quickly try to respond with it's one tool: force. Our resolve to do what must be done needs to be absolute and we need to realize that once we pull the trigger, we need to be ready to do so again, and again, and again, and not stop because they surely won't. Yes, our opponents are misguided, but like an unruly toddler they can't be reasoned with. Unlike a toddler, they pose a real physical threat. I am past seeing them as my brethren, they are the enemy. They are to be defeated.
And they rose to power through the political process, welcomed by The People who felt they had no future. History may not repeat, but it sure rhymes and we're sure feeling the rhythm now. How many here even say with conviction things like "you can't ignore the LAWS that you disagree with", which is nothing but acceptance of the legitimacy of groups like this which operated within the LAW. Law is nothing but the words of politicians backed by paid employees who are willing to use physical violence to enact those words.
Very true and it is time for people to get their head out of their ass and stop being afraid of being judged by men or god for their actions because their cause is just.
There needs to be, because there are only two alternatives: live under their rule or conflict: either is a worse Hell than would ultimately be caused by a split.
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I don't at all advocate not taking it seriously. I don't know how to say this without sounding like a nutjob who wandered into the deep end...
I almost think it needs to "inflect" into something more serious than street marches in skinny pants and a face mask to be appropriately dealt with. I'm not going to show up at those types of events and waste time, energy, and breath. It's absolutely stupid. I'm sorry if that flies in the face of what some might consider "expressing my rights," but is solves not one damn thing.
I'm not at all suggesting violence be brought upon those with opposing views (let's be blunt: stupid ideas/views). What I'm saying is words and silly demonstrations don't get a damn thing done. If they (or us) want to effect any tangible change, parade permits and civilized yelling in each others' faces isn't going to cut the mustard.
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This is where we will fail if we do fail. It is the animal inside that we have been taught to suppress above all instincts. Being able to flip the switch and keep it flipped until it is over will be the difference between some kind of life and no life at all.
The first sticking point people will get to, is it time to enter into violence. This will be even more difficult a decision than the will to keep doing violence until the need has passed.
I told my nephew when he asked me, "I am not sure what the signal will be, but I am sure I will know it when I see it"
I did just that. I bought property in the non zoned, no restrictions, township of Chatham County called Bear Creek. On the county long term plans, its classified as agricultural - more rural then the rural designation. We're talking pig, cow, and turkey farm rural. The damned Democrats out of Pittsburg, declared that they're zoning the entire damned county! I saw it proclaimed afterwards, "it's called democracy and we voted". That, is a serious insight into their reasoning.Move to the country.
Move to the country.
The problem is that the urbanites want to tell the country folks how to live. So simple geography won't save you. And there are more voters in the cities so they dominate the politics in most states. We are on a path to some sort of conflict. I fear the riots and protests we have seen so far are just the beginning. Unless 1/2 the people accept shackles.
One day in downtown Pittsboro and you know how the politics is headed there. It is basically an offshoot of Chapel Hill now. Wait until Chathan Park is finished and the new crowd moves in.
Tell me about it. Either the county needs to split into east - west or at a minimum go to district voting that balances things out.
If you want to know where protests will be and areas to avoid there is a lot posted on the internationalist book stores facebook page. Really surprised at how dark antifa etc keeps group info. Not as dumb as I thought. Something to ponder.
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Demographicly, it's a coastal issue. The urban concentrations are on the east and west coast. Guess we'll have to move to Texas. They already have their own power grid. New Central America.
Searching for this brought up three links, all to a place in Carrboro (no surprise there), but it looks like they've pretty much shut down except for a website link (internationalistbooks.org) that doesn't load anything. There still seems to be an active server as it doesnt time out, but its not doing anything,
Correction, it is now awake. I tried using wget from a command prompt and received html in response. Now the browser loads.
Historically, we've seen them countered by police in riot gear, which is designed primarily to intimidate. Recent events have shown the crowds not intimidated, but rather, enraged and willing to attack the police.
To me, this represents a very serious turning point in the psyche of the populace. A willingness to confront and attack the police represents a breakdown of thr notion of rule of law. The thing is, that its going to happen and i suspect it is a necessary ingredient in fixing the broken system.
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That level of sneaky cowardice doesn't scare me. A face full of return fire would have made him/them shit their skinny pants with zero will to continue their shenanigans. I see no serious threat.
I see what you're saying, but when it's a brick to your head, it is a serious threat.
The fact that are willing to indiscriminately perpetrate violence on people who don't agree with them is telling.
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At risk of sounding like a tacticool tough guy who knows everything (which I don't), I'll say that I won't let myself get into such a ridiculous situation as in that video. If I can clearly see a "threat" like these masked skinny pant "warriors" present themselves, I will never be within arms reach of them--especially in light of these recent changes in their playbook.
As Lawless said earlier, stay away from crowds. Especially in urban areas during large protests. The only way I am near that scene is if I'm there to rescue a friend sor family member in trouble. Then again I don't think my friends and family are dumb enough to go there. Only other way I am near that mess is if all hell as broken lose and it comes to my neighborhood. In which case I've got help and will be in a different position than mixed in with the crowd. Cause if you are that close anything can happen no matter how bad ass you are.
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So, the question is, are they paid or otherwise professionally organized? Do they get their marching orders from others? I'm referring to the people referenced in the previous post.
Some may still have the goal of civil war.
Some may still have the goal of civil war.
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The left owns Austin, San Antonio and Houston. And they are working hard on the rest of the State. No guarnatees TX will remain sane. Look what they did to CO.
They are paid. A lot of groups have been traced to organizations funded by George Soros. I think Obama's PAC has been linked to a few recent groups. But this stuff goes back to the 60's. I've mentioned this before, but I was in Seattle when they had the big WTO riots years ago. The wackos trashed downtown pretty good. When I flew out on that Friday there was a group of unwashed people at my gate. They were all discussing what they did at the riots and where they were headed next. They already had plane tickets to their next riot. They were professional, using that term loosely, protesters. Paid and organized.
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If you mean the folks from 4chan, no, they do it for the damn fun of it.
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No, I meant the activist they are exposing. That teacher that hit the guy over the head and the female that looks like an associate.
The revolt is a little out of character. What are they revolting against? It all seems a bit contrived to me. Someone is still looking for a war.
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http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-rationing-society.html
Wow, just wow. Never thought about it all exactly like this.
Money quote:
When you listen to the larger message of the left, it is one of finity. We have a finite amount of planetary resources and domestic wealth. This finity represents a global and national crisis that has to be tackled with rationing mechanisms. We are all on a lifeboat and some of us are gobbling up more than their fair share of rations. Unless the rationers step forward, seize everyone's rations and pass out limited rations, then we are all doomed.
Wow, just wow. Never thought about it all exactly like this.
Money quote:
When you listen to the larger message of the left, it is one of finity. We have a finite amount of planetary resources and domestic wealth. This finity represents a global and national crisis that has to be tackled with rationing mechanisms. We are all on a lifeboat and some of us are gobbling up more than their fair share of rations. Unless the rationers step forward, seize everyone's rations and pass out limited rations, then we are all doomed.
I have a scientist brother that hangs out with a lot of 'academics'. We have had conversations along the same path. Is an economy based and reliant on continuous growth sustainable he asks. I say why is it reliant on growth? Why do people and companies need to make more every year? Because things cost more every year he says. So I ask why do things cost more every year? Silence. Crickets. Monetary policy and the Federal Reserve! What was inflation and the dollar's value like before the Federal Reserve? Before we went off the gold standard? This is an area where we may be able to bring some of the less crazed, committed Marxists back from the left. There problem with capitalism is that none of us have never lived under a capitalist system. Between the need for constant growth and the rent seeking crap that goes on between companies and our government the system is a mess. We can all agree on that last part at least. Bernie and the other crazed lefties have one thing right. The system is broke. Now we just need to explain why letting the people that broke it have more power is a bad thing. Then their slice of pie argument becomes pointless. If we can squeeze a little historyand economics into them they might just rethink some of their beliefs. Maybe. A few? Any?