leaked draft document from the ATF

Stogies said:
It's convoluted enough to possibly be real.
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I thought the same. A few things that I thought were odd...

1. The mention of "Everytown for Gun Safety" as reason for some of the change
2. The mention of certain specific models (i.e. Kel-Tec Sub 2000, SIG P320, etc.) sounds like Giffords or Feinstein has influence in the proposed changes.
3. The paragraph that states unequivocally, the ATF director is omnipotent (paraphrasing obviously).
4. Pressure to go over to e4473 filing. This is mentioned under the guise of "paperwork reduction".
5. FFL stamping and marking is beaten more than any dead horse I've seen.
6. Retention of 4473s indefinitely. Proposing doing away with 20 year limit of storage. It is mentioned that "scanning technology" should be used, as to help reduce paperwork and size of location needed for storage of such records.
7. Sounded like "parts kits" are under scrutiny
8. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they also done on about "modular chassis" handguns... is this foreshadowing?
9. Reclassification of "gunsmith"
10. An EXTENSIVE listing and explanation of costs involved in making these changes. According to the document, $1.3 million? Sounds a little low. That's way less than what was spent on the first or second impeachment... or the ACA website. Sounds way low to me. I don't think our government can do ANYTHING for less than $1B.

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jodyisaacs said:
I thought the same. A few things that I thought were odd...

1. The mention of "Everytown for Gun Safety" as reason for some of the change
2. The mention of certain specific models (i.e. Kel-Tec Sub 2000, SIG P320, etc.) sounds like Giffords or Feinstein has influence in the proposed changes.
3. The paragraph that states unequivocally, the ATF director is omnipotent (paraphrasing obviously).
4. Pressure to go over to e4473 filing. This is mentioned under the guise of "paperwork reduction".
5. FFL stamping and marking is beaten more than any dead horse I've seen.
6. Retention of 4473s indefinitely. Proposing doing away with 20 year limit of storage. It is mentioned that "scanning technology" should be used, as to help reduce paperwork and size of location needed for storage of such records.
7. Sounded like "parts kits" are under scrutiny
8. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they also done on about "modular chassis" handguns... is this foreshadowing?
9. Reclassification of "gunsmith"
10. An EXTENSIVE listing and explanation of costs involved in making these changes. According to the document, $1.3 million? Sounds a little low. That's way less than what was spent on the first or second impeachment... or the ACA website. Sounds way low to me. I don't think our government can do ANYTHING for less than $1B.

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Right, exactly.
They submit it low so it gets approved, then they run way over with cost overruns, and say "Well we could have done it on budget if it wasn't for you snooping kids" and then they get even more money...
 
jodyisaacs said:
I thought the same. A few things that I thought were odd...

1. The mention of "Everytown for Gun Safety" as reason for some of the change
2. The mention of certain specific models (i.e. Kel-Tec Sub 2000, SIG P320, etc.) sounds like Giffords or Feinstein has influence in the proposed changes.
3. The paragraph that states unequivocally, the ATF director is omnipotent (paraphrasing obviously).
4. Pressure to go over to e4473 filing. This is mentioned under the guise of "paperwork reduction".
5. FFL stamping and marking is beaten more than any dead horse I've seen.
6. Retention of 4473s indefinitely. Proposing doing away with 20 year limit of storage. It is mentioned that "scanning technology" should be used, as to help reduce paperwork and size of location needed for storage of such records.
7. Sounded like "parts kits" are under scrutiny
8. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they also done on about "modular chassis" handguns... is this foreshadowing?
9. Reclassification of "gunsmith"
10. An EXTENSIVE listing and explanation of costs involved in making these changes. According to the document, $1.3 million? Sounds a little low. That's way less than what was spent on the first or second impeachment... or the ACA website. Sounds way low to me. I don't think our government can do ANYTHING for less than $1B.

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I have always thought if a real patriot lived he/she "they" wood cause a fire in a storage location of 4473's.

What a crazy thought and act one could do.
 
JBoyette said:
I have always thought if a real patriot lived he/she "they" wood cause a fire in a storage location of 4473's.

What a crazy thought and act one could do.
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Well, since we have the Fauci Virus, only fair if BATFE computers get a Virus. The kind that wipes the info and corrupts the hard drives, sounds appropriate.
 
Yep, the rule looks impossibly stupid. The "frame or receiver" has to have the manufacturer's name and location and a serial number.

frame or receiver (page 76 of PDF)
A part of a firearm that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate one or more fire control components, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect those components to the housing or structure. ... For purposes of this definition, the term “fire control component” means a component necessary for the firearm to initiate or complete the firing sequence, including any of the following: hammer, bolt or breechblock, cylinder, trigger mechanism, firing pin, striker, or slide rails.
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I pulled out a S&W M&P Shield EZ 9mm and applied the above definition to identify the "frame or receiver" parts:

1. the polymer grip frame that holds the locking block and fire control unit and is currently the serialized part
2. the removable locking block in the grip frame that holds the trigger and has the front slide rails
3. the removable fire control unit in the grip frame that holds the hammer and has the rear slide rails
4. the slide that contains the removeable breechblock
5. the removable breechblock that contains the firing pin

Marking the grip frame and slide would not present a problem. The locking block and fire control unit are not visible from outside the gun. The breechblock is visible at the top of the slide, but only a tiny strip on either side of the loaded chamber indicator.

There may or may not be exceptions for standard configurations, but only for current weapons (pages 79 -80) as they existed on the date the rule is enacted rather than general weapon types. ATF must have hired the idiot that wrote the never-ending list of exempt guns for Senator Feinstein's AWB bill to draft these regulations.
 
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i read the first 40 pages the other day. it was impressive at how many places had phrases like "including firearms similar to, but not limited to..." and how everything in the future will be up to interpretation and whims.
 
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