Lee Enfields of all variants in Afghanistan

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  1. Combat Diver

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    Starting a new thread of those Lee's I find over here. Have seen most all variants. Some produced in England, India and locally. Never seen any US produced however that may change who knows. So right now in the shop have a 1945 GRI (Indian) No 1 Mk III. This is a the same as the SMLE produced after 1907 used by the Brits during WWI but Britain went to the No4 Mk I during WWII. The No 3 rifles will have their own thread as the are a Mauser action and were known as the P14. The No 2 was a .22LR trainer IIRC. Yesterday received two beat to hades and back SMLEs marked made by "GRI" but guns are handbuilt Khyber pass guns that do SHOOT. Fired both of them with standard MkVII loads yesterday.

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    Those look curiously like some rifles Roses once sold -- long ago.
     
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    Took out one of the Khyber Pass made SMLEs today with some ammo dated from 1936-41. Need to work on the follower next as its sticking not allowing ammo to feed up.



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    Thanks for sharing CD.

    I picked up an all serial # matching Long Branch No.4 for 50 bucks back around 1994. Great shooting rifle. Sold it for around $250. One of those rifles I should have kept.
     
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    I love the .22 trainers. lots of fun.
     
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    Last 24 hours received several more rifles but haven't done a through breakdown yet. Oldest is a SMLE made by Enfield in 1914. Still has the magazine cutoff that I don't see on the Khyber Pass SMLEs. This one is original as far as I can tell. Next is a No. 4 Mk 1 made by Long Branch (Canada) in 1944, again original. Next is a Khyber Pass No. 5 Mk I made supposedly in 1949. Markings are crooked and wrong font. Also the Jungle Carbine was only made from 1944-1947. Flash hinder cone cut off and all missing magazines.

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    Group photo of the best of the 8 .303 rifles on hand. Finally understanding British martial rifles.
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    SMLE Enfield made in 1914
    No. 1 Mk III GRI (Pakistan) made in 1945. SMLE was renamed to No. 1 Mk III in 1926.
    Pattern 14 made by Remington in 1916. Renamed the No. 3 rifle in 1926. (The missing No. 2 was a .22LR training rifle)
    No. 4 Mk I made by Long Branch in Canada in 1944
    No. 5 Mk I dated 1949 by production was only 44-47'. This is a Khyber Pass gun.

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    90 years from now, some yet to be born old school armorer will be posting pics of M4's, M4A1's, A2's, AKs, AKMs, etc...and everyone will be drooling over the antiques still in the fight...cause we aint ever completely leaving that raggedy ass shithole of a country...just saying
     
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    Got 10 yrs over here already. Plan on calling it quits end of next year.

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    You are a brave man shooting a Khyber Pass special anywhere near your body!
     
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    ronn47 Where's the Scotch? Charter Member Benefactor Life Member

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    How do you shoot these handmade guns?
     
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    See videos in post #3

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    Went shooting the SMLE dated 1914 and No.4 MkI 1944 today. Took the No.5 Jungle Carbine but striker not staying cocked.
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    ronn47 Where's the Scotch? Charter Member Benefactor Life Member

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    Damn, I figured you had some type of test rig to fire them in, in case the action ever let go.
     
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    For real questionable guns I do tie them down.

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    Way cool, thanks for posting. What happens to this stuff next after you lay hands on them ?
     
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    Well if the senate bill gets made into a law, the antique classification will raise to guns made before 1919. Then some may come home. If not either demilling or past to the next unit.

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    Took some soldiers out to shot these old rifles today. SMLE III (Enfield 1914), P14* (Remington 1917) and No.4 MkI* (Longbranch 1944).
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    Out of 12 rounds, 6 had sterile head stamps other 6 had this pattern around it.
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    Out of those 6, 3 were misfires and struck 2 more times for no ignition. Pulled the bullets and powder was the old stick cordite.
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    That stuff is fun to burn in a coffee can. It roars like a rocket engine!
     
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    This weeks battlefield pickups. Had couple more AK-47s. Chinese Type 56-1 underfolder and a Romanian AKMS. Both in good condition. Then there are the bolt guns. Two were totally wrapped up but sights and action usable. Far left in white bed sheet is a No.4 Mk 1 Enfield with a 1943 date. Date is all crooked with a "B" above it (Birmingham Small Arms). Middle two are SMLEs both made by BSA 1915 and 1918. On the left wearing a black wrap is a M1891 Mosin-Nagant made by Ishevsk in 1921, Hex receiver in poor condition. I'll post more pictures as I break them down.

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    First I'll cover is a No. 4 Mk I. This one is a Brimingham Small Arms (BSA) marked with a "B" and 1943 dated. Only find the SN on the bolt handle. Disassembled after getting a solvent tank bath.
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    Upper and Lower handguard acceptance marks
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    Stock acceptance mark
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    Rear sight is the two position 300/600 flip sight and SN on bolt handle
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    Shown on bottom of 1944 Longbranch No.4 Mk1*. Muzzle cut back just behind bayonet lug for damage I'm assuming.
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    More great pics!

    What's the theory on them wrapping the MkI and the M-N? Camo? Concealment? Protection?
     
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    The serial number on the bolt looks like a Savage number.
     
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    I think the No4 Mk 1 was for winter camo. Guns found in cache. Don't have a clue for black on the MN except maybe night ops. Did take the MN to the range this afternoon. Key holing at 15 yds and case sticking in the chamber for all 4 rounds. Dedicated wall hanger for that one.

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    Could be as its hard to tell. Could also be a "B". No other serial number found. Its a factory gun and not a Khyber Pass knock off.

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    Maybe the SN was scrubbed before it was carried over the border from Pakistan.
     
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    SMLE also made by BSA in 1915

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    Receivers 1915 and 1918
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    During reassembly
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    Reassembled
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    SMLE made by BSA in 1918. Multiple breaks in the stock. Got her all cleaned up and repaired.

    Busted forearm and rear stock
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    Disassemble, cleaned and stock fixed
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    Repaired forearm
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    Reassembled
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    Top Down before going back to ODA, remember that photo above?
    SMLE BSA 1915
    SMLE BSA 1918
    No.4 Mk1 BSA 1943
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    Group collection photo Top Down
    SMLE Enfield 1914 with mag cut off
    SMLE BSA 1915
    P14 Remington est 1917
    SMLE BSA 1918
    No.4 Mk1 BSA 1943
    No.4 Mk1* Longbranch 1944 (muzzle cut back due damage)
    SMLE GRI 1955
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    Nice! And a No 2 Mk IV .22 in that pile, too!
     
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    Don't think I'll find one of those out here. Maybe another No. 5?

    Khyber Pass No.5 sandwiched between the Longbranch 44' and Enfield 14'.
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    Isn’t the butt socket on the one BSA marked .22 IV? Has it been re-barrelled to .303?
     
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    Yes, it is but barrel and bolt are .303. Had a hundred years to get swapped out.

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    It’s very interesting to see what you find there and the shit state there in, too.
     
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    Interesting, they sure make what they get work and for a long time.
     
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    Great thread, keep 'em coming. Big fan of the Enfields
     
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    When you first posted this thread I just scrolled past thinking to myself "how interesting can a Lee Enfield possibly be?".

    Turn out, quite interesting, indeed!
     
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    One of my counterparts is roaming and fixing guns. He just sent me these Enfield pictures. Oldest is a Lee Metford with volley sights, there is also a SMLE and a No.4 Mk1 with magazine in the group photo.
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    Working to get the Lee Metford Correction Magazine Lee-Enfield Mk 1 (1894-1898) In 1899 the MLE Mk1* without the cleaning rod was issued.
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    That’s amazing, a Lee Enfield Mk I that still has the cleaning rod!
     
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    I remember that rifle being there 5 years ago when I was there in 14' too.

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