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Question about carrying a rifle in the truck.

I know I cant carry it loaded, but how is "loaded" defined? Is it loaded mag and chambered or just a loaded mag in the gun?

Ordered all the parts to change my pistol to rifle and want to eliminate any issues with the man.

I searched but all I came up with was "loaded gun".
 
There is no law for or against loaded rifles. You may not conceal a rifle. Nothing about ammo in the statutes... Basically, the law doesn't differentiate between loaded and not loaded. So, as long as it's legally cased or in the open, you're good; loaded or not...
 
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I read it somewhere and now I cannot remember where. It may be from the internet, so it must be true.

I was planning on putting it under the back seat of my truck.
I remember that being the case in SC but not in NC. Could be wrong on SC or they may have changed the law since I moved away.

As for a recommendation, I always carry my truck gun behind the seat with a loaded mag on an empty chamber.

Because the weapon is not directly on me like my CCW, I feel like it’s a legitimate risk that the safety could get switched off and the trigger pulled while retrieving the weapon.

Besides, if it’s an immediate threat I have my CCW. If I’m going for the rifle I’ll have an extra 1.5 seconds to pull the charging handle.
 
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As for a recommendation, I always carry my truck gun behind the seat with a loaded mag on an empty chamber.

Because the weapon is not directly on me like my CCW, I feel like it’s a legitimate risk that the safety could get switched off and the trigger pulled while retrieving the weapon.

Besides, if it’s an immediate threat I have my CCW. If I’m going for the rifle I’ll have an extra 1.5 seconds to pull the charging hammer.

Same here...
 
NC has CHP Concealed Handgun Permit. Any other firearm must be properly cases and transported as per federal law or openly carried. I am not sure on open carry law for rifles but I believe they are the same as a handgun.
 
Correct me if I am wrong though, can you have it in a case concealed? Lets say I have a friend that has an AK with a folding stock, could it be kept in a small rifle bag in a storage compartment in back of my SUV?
 
Concealment becomes a matter of accessibility in an suv. You can legally transport it per federal law in a locked case separate from ammunition in the farthest back area of your vehicle. This applies to interstate transport as well so long as you can legally possess said firearm and accessories in the state you are traveling to and do not stop in hostile states. Be careful with hollow points bullets in NJ and standard magazines in many north east states.
Edit to add I am not a lawyer but do travel a bit so researched for personal use. I am not certain if you are covered by the transportation clauses if you are not “actively” transporting to a residence or to or from the range.
 
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Well...my friends rifle isn't completely black...has some wood on it...so it cant be as scary...probably ok.
 
So you cannot conceal a rifle even with a ccl?
But you can conceal a pistol, even an AR that's only "technically" a pistol - at least in NC. in SC that's out because they have size limits on a concealed pistol.
 
Here's the thread you're referencing.

https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/index.php?threads/sub-2k-carry-option.13385/

And here are the relevant pieces:

Given this general prohibition of carrying concealed weapons, individuals must be ever vigilant to ensure their particular situation cannot be construed as concealing a weapon, either on or about them, without being properly authorized to do so with a valid North Carolina, or recognized out-of-state concealed handgun permit. Therefore, the permittee's accessibility to the weapon is of prime importance. It is unlawful to transport a weapon ( absent a proper permit) that is BOTH concealed and readily accessible to a person. It is for these reasons, that when transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the weapon is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of an automobile? Obviously, a weapon would be concealed and readily accessible, and therefore in violation of North Carolina law, if it were placed in such areas of a vehicle as under the seat of the automobile; in a bag in the back seat; or in some other manner is covered or hidden within the easy reach of an occupant of the vehicle. It is our recommendation that firearms should not be carried in a glove compartment regardless of whether the compartment is locked or not.
While a weapon carried openly in an automobile would not be concealed, there are other problems specific to this method of carrying a weapon. The principal drawback, of course, is in the event of an individual being stopped by a law enforcement official, the officer may not readily know that individual's purpose and intent for carrying a weapon. As such, it is imperative that an individual immediately notify an officer of the presence of any weapon in the automobile, for the officer's and the vehicle's occupants' safety. Another obvious drawback is that a valuable weapon may be in plain view for potential thieves to see. The prohibition to carrying concealed weapons applies not only to handguns and other weapons commonly thought of as being easily hidden, but also to "long guns" as well. Therefore, shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other vehicles, could similarly violate North Carolina law.
As to those vehicles with no easily discernible trunk area (e.g., SUVs, vans, etc.), it becomes a factual determination of when the weapon is within ready and easy access to an occupant of the vehicle. If the weapon is concealed near, in close proximity to, or within the convenient control and access of an occupant, which would allow him/her to use the weapon quickly, then a fair probability exists that the occupant is in violation of the law. Therefore, care must be exercised by any occupant of any vehicle to ensure that weapons are securely locked away in as remote an area as possible, in relation to the passenger compartment of the vehicle. It is important to emphasize that these prohibitions apply to passengers, as well as drivers of any vehicle.
 
^ that is an opinion by the former AG nee Wax-lipped Governor Roy Pooper Cooper. It isn't enshrined in law. Esp this part:

"Therefore, shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other vehicles, could similarly violate North Carolina law. "

A frog could bump his ass if his wings gave out, as well.
 
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Since I have a regular cab pickup truck, loaded rifle goes in truck tool box mounted in bed. In cab is AR15 pistol behind seat loaded and on my person my EDC which both are covered by my CHP. If I'm out hunting then rifle is in front seat openly carried. May or may not be loaded depending on game land regulations where I maybe hunting at time. Got to be careful for not to be considered poaching or hunting from a right of way.


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Has LE ever questioned having two concealed handguns? I've wondered about having more than one, but haven't seen it addressed.

In NC you just have to tell them you are armed if approached in an official capacity. You could have a bag full hidden under the seat if you have a CHP. They have no right to question the number you have or request to see the weapon/weapons.
 
So you cannot conceal a rifle even with a ccl?
That's why you see people get picky when other misuse CCL/CWP/CCP/etc.

As mentioned somewhere earlier, NC issues CHPs (H = Handgun), so long guns, knives, and anything else you can come up with are not covered.

I can't get to my long gun (with loaded mag inserted) while seated in the driver's seat of my truck, so that's good enough for me...concealed but not accessible. I can reach the two spare loaded mags in the map pocket, though.
 
Has LE ever questioned having two concealed handguns? I've wondered about having more than one, but haven't seen it addressed.
That's easy...just get a second permit. o_O

(That was one of the questions I see asked quite often when discussing the CHP course)
 
Has LE ever questioned having two concealed handguns? I've wondered about having more than one, but haven't seen it addressed.

I was in a wreck once. Rear ended. Had two on me and one in the console. Other than telling me that I couldn't take them in the ambulance and that I was more heavily armed than he was, the cop didn't bat an eye.
 
As to how I carry a rifle (when I carry one), cased, in the trunk or cargo area of the SUV or van. Mag inserted, chamber empty.
 
^ that is an opinion by the former AG nee Wax-lipped Governor Roy Pooper Cooper. It isn't enshrined in law. Esp this part:

"Therefore, shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other vehicles, could similarly violate North Carolina law. "

A frog could bump his ass if his wings gave out, as well.
And who do you think would be prosecuting you if an incident occurred? I'm fully of the opinion that even if you were in violation of the above guidance and interpretation of our laws (and that's what so much of the law is by attorneys, judges, and a jury of your peers), unless you were doing something else stupid it likely wouldn't be an issue. I very much consider it essentially a secondary offense. For example, going 120mph in a 70 with a long gun concealed and accessible per the law? Yea, they're adding that charge to your careless and reckless, speeding, and what ever other dumb shit you were doing (not buckled up, etc.)

Having said that, I like to go 9 to 15 over around Raleigh so when I travel with my long guns, I will follow the above guidance and do my 9 over or so.
 
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I was in a wreck once. Rear ended. Had two on me and one in the console. Other than telling me that I couldn't take them in the ambulance and that I was more heavily armed than he was, the cop didn't bat an eye.
How did you or the officer secure your firearms?
 
And who do you think would be prosecuting you if an incident occurred? I'm fully of the opinion that even if you were in violation of the above guidance and interpretation of our laws (and that's what so much of the law is by attorneys, judges, and a jury of your peers), unless you were doing something else stupid it likely wouldn't be an issue.

If I am in my usual routine, it would be the Cabarrus county District Attorney (or possibly Meck Co), in which case, is Roxann Vaneekhoven. I am very familiar with her office and their views on firearms laws.

She has shown multiple times that she interprets castle law, firearms law and self-defense with a firearm with a very pro-2A stance. For instance, a firefighter and his girlfriend where on their way home from a baseball game, and were accosted by a man who though their truck was his ex-girlfriend. He happened to be a cocaine addict and ended up assaulting the firefighters' girlfriend. The firefighter then retrieved his firearm from the truck, warned him, and then when the man did not stand down, he shot and killed him.

This happened to be a concealed carry owner, who, as a passenger, had drank a beer or 2 at the baseball game and left his gun in the truck console. End result: It was deemed a good shoot, and no charges for the man.

Meanwhile the victims (Yankee) family pined over their loss of their darling son who went around high on coke assaulting random people who he though was his cheating girlfriend.

So no, I don't fear Wax Lips Pooper and his army of proggy regulars. In fact, Eff him. I definitely give less than 2shits about his opinion about laws or anything else. I prefer to deal with the LEO person at my window or in my home asking questions.
 
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If I am in my usual routine, it would be the Cabarrus county District Attorney (or possibly Meck Co), in which case, is Roxann Vaneekhoven. I am very familiar with her office and their views on firearms laws.

She has shown multiple times that she interprets castle law, firearms law and self-defense with a firearm with a very pro-2A stance. For instance, a firefighter and his girlfriend where on their way home from a baseball game, and were accosted by a man who though their truck was his ex-girlfriend. He happened to be a cocaine addict and ended up assaulting the firefighters' girlfriend. The firefighter then retrieved his firearm from the truck, warned him, and then when the man did not stand down, he shot and killed him.

This happened to be a concealed carry owner, who, as a passenger, had drank a beer or 2 at the baseball game and left his gun in the truck console. End result: It was deemed a good shoot, and no charges for the man.

Meanwhile the victims (Yankee) family pined over their loss of their darling son who went around high on coke assaulting random people who he though was his cheating girlfriend.

So no, I don't fear Wax Lips Pooper and his army of proggy regulars. In fact, Eff him. I definitely give less than 2shits about his opinion about laws or anything else. I prefer to deal with the LEO person at my window or in my home asking questions.
All fine and dandy, but your OPINION and CHOICE applies to no one else on this board other than you. Therefore, while you drone on poetically, I will continue to provide factual information and my analytical, non-legal interpretation of the statues and any precedence of which I am aware to help increase all members awareness and hopefully better inform them so they too may make the best decision for them.

Carry on.... (see what I did there????)
 
5BB94F38-7385-4A20-93C4-EA74DC7A3099.png If you’re looking for a case for keeping an AR-15 as a truck rifle then I would give a look at the larue tactical covert rifle case. I have one and it’s great but the only problem is that for a 16” barreled AR, you have to take the upper off from a lower. I figure if I get stopped by the law then there shouldn’t be anything said about having a rifle that is disassembled in a case.
 
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All fine and dandy, but your OPINION and CHOICE applies to no one else on this board other than you. Therefore, while you drone on poetically, I will continue to provide factual information and my analytical, non-legal interpretation of the statues and any precedence of which I am aware to help increase all members awareness and hopefully better inform them so they too may make the best decision for them.

Carry on.... (see what I did there????)

Actually all you have done is quote from an outdated document that espouses the opinion of a former attorney general. Which most here have read for themselves and concluded that it's full of opinion.
 
As is the former attorney general.
Who is also now our govenor and probably knows a few people in the DAs office I'd bet.

And @Ikarus1 you're right, I'm sure most on here have read it since I posted it in another thread several months ago. And funny you refer to it as an outdated document as we discuss it in the context of of the second amendment. As you said, free men do free stuff, so feel free to keep spewing your opinion as you will and I'll do the same.
 

JR Horne...You lost that argument in the original post brother, don't start this nonsense again, just give it up.

Thousands of people who hunt and shoot regularly in NC carry cased longuns in their vehicle all the time. I have been stopped several times on hunting trips or on the way to/from shooting over the past 30 years , many times with several long guns in the truck and never had any issues with the LEO's be they State Troopers or local LEO's. So most of us will continue to act a free men, you just do as you see fit.
 
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But you can conceal a pistol, even an AR that's only "technically" a pistol - at least in NC. in SC that's out because they have size limits on a concealed pistol.
Good to know, after the TX shooting I picked up a lower and I'm going to build what I thought was stupid, an AR pistol.
Not so stupid since it'll work as a CHP and I can get away with shouldering it if the SHTF.
Now I'm looking for a good priced 300BLK 8" upper or barrel, and a murse for church carry.
 
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