M&P Shield Plus w/CT green laser and red dot…..Holster?!

[spinemike]

Having a heck of a time finding a holster for my Shield plus that will accommodate laser and red dot. Anyone know of a non-custom option? At this point I’ll take IWB or OWB.

 

[Jerzsubbie]

Good luck! I had a tough time finding holsters for my 4” Shield Plus w red dot. I don’t think I saw anything with laser.

 

[Timfoilhat]

Just curious, why a laser AND a red dot?

If you're looking for Kydex with a red dot option JM Custom Kydex can help you.

 

[amnesia]

If you send your laser to @RR he can probably make a holster for it

 

[spinemike]

Just curious, why a laser AND a red dot?

If you're looking for Kydex with a red dot option JM Custom Kydex can help you.

Thanks! I have been playing with having both and have liked them. It’s made very fast drawing more accurate for me.

 

[Timfoilhat]

Thanks! I have been playing with having both and have liked them. It’s made very fast drawing more accurate for me.

I'm glad it works for you. I know you didn't ask for feedback on your decision, but I have some.
A red dot is mounted above the barrel. A laser is mounted below. Neither is directly in line. As such the laser is aimed slightly up and the dot slightly down. Let's say you zeroed both at 10 yards. When you get out to 40 yards...about the distance that the mall shooter was taken down from by Dicken...the laser will be too high and the dot too low giving you conflicting aiming data. That might slow you down in a defensive situation as your brain has to sort out why one or the other don't line up. If you're going to use both train the distance so you come to understand what you are seeing. Personally, I'd just stick with and train on the dot.
I'm tagging some guys below that could offer feedback from the perspective of a trainer, not just a guy with too much time spent in classes.

@BatteryOaksBilly
@JBoyette

Whatever comes of this, stay safe out there.

 

[JBoyette]

Thanks @Timfoilhat

The laser option is great for not standard handgun presentation, like shooting from the hip or around a object, or injured shooter type deal. Your example of a 40yd shot, is well taken but not relevant to the laser, because you need to see the laser point of reference first. most lasers on handguns are hard to see past 15yds or so.

As to the optic and line of sight relating to bullet flight, a 10yd zero will do the following

Range in yds	Elevation (in)
0	-1.5
5	-0.75
10	0.00
15	+0.61
20	+1.2
25	+1.7
30	+2.1
35	+2.5
40	+2.75

Keep in mind, these above trajectory numbers plot the CENTER of the group, most self-defense ammunition hold a 5" spread at 25yds so at 50 yards, you can plan on a 10" spread.

Hope that helps

 

[spinemike]

Hey, don’t hesitate to give your thoughts. Good stuff. I’m by no means a pro at this so I welcome advice. Yea, I have the green laser and the red dot and use the laser until I have view of the red dot and then rely on that. You are absolutely right that they differ depending on distance but I’m usually just using the laser as a starting point.

 

[JBoyette]

Hey, don’t hesitate to give your thoughts. Good stuff. I’m by no means a pro at this so I welcome advice. Yea, I have the green laser and the red dot and use the laser until I have view of the red dot and then rely on that. You are absolutely right that they differ depending on distance but I’m usually just using the laser as a starting point.

Lasers have a bad rap on pistol's due to a huge misunderstanding as to the "HOW" mixed in with the "why"

I see them as a tool when all the other tools are not able to be used.

 

[amnesia]

Lasers have a bad rap on pistol's due to a huge misunderstanding as to the "HOW" mixed in with the "why"

I see them as a tool when all the other tools are not able to be used.

There is something that happens to a person when they have a dot on their chest that changes the conversation from what if they miss to what if they hit where that dot is pointing.

 

[BatteryOaksBilly]

I'm glad it works for you. I know you didn't ask for feedback on your decision, but I have some.
A red dot is mounted above the barrel. A laser is mounted below. Neither is directly in line. As such the laser is aimed slightly up and the dot slightly down. Let's say you zeroed both at 10 yards. When you get out to 40 yards...about the distance that the mall shooter was taken down from by Dicken...the laser will be too high and the dot too low giving you conflicting aiming data. That might slow you down in a defensive situation as your brain has to sort out why one or the other don't line up. If you're going to use both train the distance so you come to understand what you are seeing. Personally, I'd just stick with and train on the dot.
I'm tagging some guys below that could offer feedback from the perspective of a trainer, not just a guy with too much time spent in classes.

@BatteryOaksBilly
@JBoyette

Whatever comes of this, stay safe out there.

I would have to defer to @JBoyette on this.....he has Far more insight into this that I have.

 

[JBoyette]

There is something that happens to a person when they have a dot on their chest that changes the conversation from what if they miss to what if they hit where that dot is pointing.

Not to argue,
But I think that thought should never happen within my Stratagy.

Pointing a firearm at a threat happens before or after the shooting.

I do not threat, brandish, talk, or give up my advantage, if the situation elevates to me going for a gun, the next event is a shooting.

Now,
This is my Stratagy, not saying that a visual laser does not alter ones thinking, it's just not part of my plan.

John

 

[spinemike]

Thanks for the comments everyone. I like chewing on the info. Still need a holster but may have to take the laser off for a while when I want to carry that gun