Marine Corps Bans Public Display of Confederate Flag

fieldgrade said:
There’s a couple of other forums I inhabit to a lesser degree. One is a hotrod forum, and another a 1911 forum. They are national, if not international in scope.

And yet, they all vanish at 9PM eastern.

I’ve yet to figure it out.
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A bunch of old farts that have to get to bed??
 
Ikarus1 said:
No confederate symbols in this picture (from Library of Congress)

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None in this one neither

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Were those photo’s taken at a DNC convention?.....
 
Pink_Vapor said:
I find the klan tainting the cross with hatred more disturbing than the Stars and Bars or Old Glory.

They wouldn't be seen as damned yankees if Sherman *SPIT* hadn't burned everything in their path through the Carolinas and Georgia, leaving widow, orphan and slaves alike homeless. Then add to that after the war was over, they continued to carpet bag and engage in financial warfare. If the north had helped the wounds of their brothers & countrymen, our nation would be stronger today. Lincoln, Sherman, Stanton and Grant made damned sure that didn't happen.

Nooo!
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To be fair, Sherman was very conciliatory to Gen. Johnston and his men. Sherman wanted the South to be welcomed back into the Union. Sherman was overruled by Andrew Johnson's administration.
 
Out of curiosity, will I not be able to drive my vehicle onto, say, Camp Lagune with a legal, issued by the state of NC license plate, which honors my ancestors and family lineage?

Serious question and i'm interested to hear some opinions on this particular example. No need for any "rebel flag bad" responses.
 
hp468 said:
Out of curiosity, will I not be able to drive my vehicle onto, say, Camp Lagune with a legal, issued by the state of NC license plate, which honors my ancestors and family lineage?

Serious question and i'm interested to hear some opinions on this particular example. No need for any "rebel flag bad" responses.
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From the article:
It was not immediately clear if the ban would apply to clothing and cars owned by Marines when they are off base and off duty. The Marine Corps did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

It would be my assumption that this regulation applies to members of the marines, their facilities, and their official events,
 
I do layout in a neighborhood that is almost completely Indian. After the pad is scraped and I go to layout the slab, there are always swastikas laid out in flower pedals and other herbs. I mean, it was their symbol before it was adopted by another group, but I'm certain 98% of most US citizens are only familiar with the latter group.

Now tell me, would it make me a total knob end if I went and complained to the super about something that shouldn't offend me because I chose to be offended by the symbol by the group that stole it?
 
I read this article this morn, isn’t Atla from Michigan? It seems those north of the Mason Dixon sporting the battle flag send a different message.
A Michigan senator has apologized for wearing a face mask that appeared to depict the Confederate flag during a Senate vote at the state Capitol on Friday. (The article doesn’t have a picture of it)
https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...orn-apology-confederate-flag-mask/3025930001/
 
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I'm still here.

I work 5am to 2pm, Mon-Fri, and don't bother getting online any other time. But I checked this thread first thing this morning to watch the shit storm keep on keeping on.

Pink_Vapor said:
I read this article this morn, isn’t Atla from Michigan?
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I was born on an Air Force Base in Michigan, than we moved to NC when I was a year old. We're political/economic refugees. :)
 
Atla said:
I'm still here.

I work 5am to 2pm, Mon-Fri, and don't bother getting online any other time. But I checked this thread first thing this morning to watch the shit storm keep on keeping on.



I was born on an Air Force Base in Michigan, than we moved to NC when I was a year old. We're political/economic refugees. :)
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I saw that earlier. The timing of that knucklehead in office and their thread was ironic.
 
Just to stir the pot some more.... ;>

If you're going to fly the Confederate Battle Flag as a sign of 'resistance' to the coastal city political elite, why not the Gadsden Flag or the Liberty Tree Flag(Appeals to Heaven) that carries no racial connotation?

And before you shout something about the South, remember that Colonel Gadsden was a South Carolinian. :)
 
Atla said:
Just to stir the pot some more.... ;>

If you're going to fly the Confederate Battle Flag as a sign of 'resistance' to the coastal city political elite, why not the Gadsden Flag or the Liberty Tree Flag(Appeals to Heaven) that carries no racial connotation?

And before you shout something about the South, remember that Colonel Gadsden was a South Carolinian. :)
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We do...both of those flags are extremely common at rallies and other events. Many, if not most, of us have some form of the Gadsden flag someone in our homes, vehicles, or wherever.
 
B00ger said:
We do...both of those flags are extremely common at rallies and other events. Many, if not most, of us have some form of the Gadsden flag someone in our homes, vehicles, or wherever.
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I'm not looking for common sense answers.

:p
 
Inglis said:
I drove by the big Stars and Bars flag in Lexington today.

As I passed by I raised my hand to my cap brill.

To honor my people who wore gray, I shall not forget.
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HMP said:
Is this one cool though?


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I’d put a sticker like that on my truck under my Nc and Gadsden flag stickers because screw everyone’s feelings
 
Ok guys, education time-

This is NOT the "Stars and Bars"
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This is a version of the CSA regimental battle flags. There were a number of variations of it.

THIS IS THE "STARS AND BARS" Get it right or be an ignoramus
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There were 3 editions of the CSA National flag.
 

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For us NC guys-

This is the current NC state flag, note the dates on the scrolls-
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This is the CSA version of the NC state flag carried by NC regiments
Again, note the dates.
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What we need to realize is the battle flag is being used by groups with agendas, from snowflakes, KKK, and others. Many of us have no agenda regarding the flag. To me, it represents a level of courage of conviction and resolve to defend hearth and home that few today can lay claim to if they could be bothered to leave ESPN or the couch.

As a student of the War, I've seen that it's a subject that suffers from huge levels of ignorance of actual history and spin from the victors. The War was never really about slavery, although that was used as the excuse. Few actually owned slaves, even fewer owned more than 3. Look at the actual antebellum census data if you don't believe me. So why would huge swaths of the population go to war for rich fat cats running the Antebellum equivalent of Conagra? Next, let's think this through. The Peculiar Institution would likely have gone away by 1880 due to economic pressures. Machines are way less expensive than maintaining a captive labor force. Next look at original source materials. The attitudes of many then would horrify folks today and nearly everyone would be branded a racist on both sides. Many diaries, letters, and journals bear this out. The sentiment from the Union guys is generally for preservation of the Union. There are some Abolitionists, but they aren't the majority. Same for Southern guys who supported their state and not the rich fat cats nor their economic interests. Many couldn't care less about the slaves but they DID care about an overbearing, over reaching Federal government. Sound familiar? More to the origins of the question of secession, the question was never completely addressed by the FF. There were attempts by some New England states. Look at the Hartford Convention of 1814. Furthermore, if the War was to end slavery, why did the Emancipation Proclamation only emancipate those slaves held in the South and not the North. Yes, there were some slaves legally held in the North and western territories. Then there's the matter of the NYC draft riots of 1863. The movie, Gangs of New York, touches on it and it was a real event. In addition to militia in NY, there were 5 Union regiments fresh from Gettysburg sent to NYC to help quell the riots. If this was about liberating black people, why were black businesses burned, blacks lynched from lamp poles, a black orphanage burned and homes and businesses of abolishonists destroyed?

Many hold passionate beliefs on the War and the causes, but a pitiful few actually look at this in a historic, nonintellectually biased manner thanks to our garbage school system in regards to history.

Take time to really learn your history or you'll be fooled by those with agendas, regardless of where they come from.
 
Dave951 said:
Many of us have no agenda regarding the flag.
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That was a billion years ago for me (although as noted earlier, as a mid-teen my great grandfather fought for NC). I hold neither pride nor prejudice with the flag and want 'truth' above all else. The ONLY flag that holds significance to me is the American flag.
 
Chuckman said:
That was a billion years ago for me (although as noted earlier, as a mid-teen my great grandfather fought for NC). I hold neither pride nor prejudice with the flag and want 'truth' above all else. The ONLY flag that holds significance to me is the American flag.
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana (1863-1952)

As I said before, the flag for me symbolizes what my ancestors stood for and their devotion to duty, home and kin. I have over 20 direct ancestors that fought in the ANV from either NC or VA. My mom's side is from Richmond and the farm where her father grew up was in the Confederate rear area at Cold Harbor. One of her relatives was a high level mucky muck for a number of years in the UDC. So you could say I grew up without the static from a public education on history and had access to a number of first person sources. Bottom line, my alliegance follows pretty much the same order as those guys in gray- Family, Kin, Home, City, County, State, and Country.

The flag I follow, support and will fight for is Old Glory and what it stands for and know this, the federal gvt and alphabet agencies are NOT the flag nor what it means to me.
 
Dave951 said:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana (1863-1952)

As I said before, the flag for me symbolizes what my ancestors stood for and their devotion to duty, home and kin. I have over 20 direct ancestors that fought in the ANV from either NC or VA. My mom's side is from Richmond and the farm where her father grew up was in the Confederate rear area at Cold Harbor. One of her relatives was a high level mucky muck for a number of years in the UDC. So you could say I grew up without the static from a public education on history and had access to a number of first person sources. Bottom line, my alliegance follows pretty much the same order as those guys in gray- Family, Kin, Home, City, County, State, and Country.

The flag I follow, support and will fight for is Old Glory and what it stands for and know this, the federal gvt and alphabet agencies are NOT the flag nor what it means to me.
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There are people (not directing this at you, simply an observation) who choose to live in the past, for/against whatever that period in the past is. In my case, although my mother's family is traced to Jamestown in the 1600s, they harbor no animus that I know of regarding the civil war. My dad's side, however, is from Finland, and they continue to hold a deep hatred for Russia and the former Soviet Union. A lot more recent than the US civil war for sure, but it's what they choose to cling to. But both sides of my family have symbols other than a flag which underscore their devotion to duty, home, and kin.

The confederate flag, the battle flag, the gay pride flag, whichever flag, including the US flag today, will hold whatever power that people give it. At the end of the day, it's just a piece of cloth.

FWIW, my allegiance is God, family, Corps/Navy, country.
 
I find this actually a quite humorous exercise in what is referred to as "butt hurt" I believe. When I joined the Corps in 1972 the racial bullcrap was unending. We all got offended on whatever side you racially represented and the black guys would use their hair picks as weapons while the white guys just told them to shut up and go back to the jungle. It was ugly! More fights outside the mess hall at Camp Gieger than I can remember. Just to be asses for sure, both sides. It used to be a real issue but after a year or 2, and a few trips to the field, wherever you were at the time we kinda got over it. All this deal is ridiculous as hell. I would be glad to pay reparations to any black man who was actually traded on a sales block personally. I do not think I will be shown anyone who has however.

I forget who stated that no flags should be flown on military bases except the National colord, service flag, maybe a state flag and POW flag.

CMC has the right to say what is displayed on his real estate! The Corps may have Marines of varied shades of green but this recently revised sense of activism is just an excuse to make waves in a system that doesn't need more reasons to save your stress card like a little girl. Get the F over it and act like a man.

Sorry, this and the WM issues are part of why I retired when I did!

Hope I didn't offend anyone, too bad if I did!
 
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