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Agreed. But if the governor etc offers to pardon you or whatever that’s a hard offer to pass…
 
Piss poor reporting trying to conflate this back to the recent SCOTUS ruling.(edit too add, autocorrect called it svotus ruling which almost sounds soviet ).

Look, the Stasi, aka state police, in Maryland-istan are not the good guys. I won’t say what I think about smaller govt. regarding them. Still, this is a BS article playing the “I was in the military” card that is popular among right wing circles. If anything, I’d call this article to be troll bait.
 
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Diablos said:
if that offer is on the table its only because the know their unconstitutional scheme is going to be thrown out once it reaches scotus
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Probably, but that also means you’re going to be found guilty first in the local court than possibly the state appeals court. Are you willing to run that gamble?
 
A few things: Maryland absolutely sucks, guy is a dumbass for opening his mouth, and I don’t know what his military service has to do with anything…seriously, just because you were in the military doesn’t mean you are a good person. Some of the biggest POS I have ever met have been in the military. I’m not saying the Gentleman in the story is or is not a good guy, I just don’t think it’s relevant.
 
noway2 said:
Piss poor reporting trying to conflate this back to the recent SCOTUS ruling.(edit too add, autocorrect called it svotus ruling which almost sounds soviet ).

Look, the Stasi, aka state police, in Maryland-istan are not the good guys. I won’t say what I think about smaller govt. regarding them. Still, this is a BS article playing the “I was in the military” card that is popular among right wing circles. If anything, I’d call this article to be troll bait.
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Political groups can get in pretty heated discussions over making incremental legal progress using special people to lead the way vs fighting for the same rights for all people with no special people carve outs.
I know one group i was with was trying to analyze a bill that put some kind of extra restriction on regular people but had carveouts for all the usual folks plus folks who had done enhanced training. I was not in support of it. People were like "wait, you've taken extra classes, and you have instructor certs for a few things so you're automatically allowed under this bill."
"oh yeah, i guess am. still no."
 
DrScaryGuy said:
I know one group i was with was trying to analyze a bill that put some kind of extra restriction on regular people but had carveouts for all the usual folks plus folks who had done enhanced training. I was not in support of it. People were like "wait, you've taken extra classes, and you have instructor certs for a few things so you're automatically allowed under this bill."
"oh yeah, i guess am. still no."
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This one is a gray area for me. It depends upon the circumstances as in what training she at what cost. I am in complete agreement with the "the 2nd A is the only permit i need" camp but we're not there yet. Obviously there are others that are so opposed to an armed populace that they steal money from people to hire thugs to deprive you of your like even, should you fall to capitulate to their demands.

Not only do i believe them to be wrong, i believe they're so wrong that we'd be justified to remove them from office by force. But we're not there yet.

If we can reach a compromise such as training, that recognizes that some see placed like schools as "sensitive" i still see that as a win.
 
noway2 said:
If we can reach a compromise such as training, that recognizes that some see placed like schools as "sensitive" i still see that as a win.
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you'd have to split hairs on the "training"
and i can guarantee you it would open up a whole cottage industry of people selling certificates for class you didn't take. I've seen that in action both in CCW/CHP/CHL and i've seen it in medical situations.

Is a 100rd 8hr course on slow fire pistol good enough? because I took a one of those that counts as advanced training for police.
is getting a certificate as an instructor good enough? because the shooting requirements for those are pretty minimal, but they usually count.
 
Can we talk about the training of the Uvalde police/sheriff's dept?

That said, I agree with @noway2, just because we have aweful training thus far doesn't mean it A) shouldn't be considered and B) couldn't be useful, just means we're doing to wrong so far. I'd like to see armed and trained teachers myself, and I have 2 young'uns in Elementary school.
 
Mathieu18 said:
Agreed. But if the governor etc offers to pardon you or whatever that’s a hard offer to pass…
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That's usually the way these cases are handled in MD. Not always a pardon but they go away quietly as a reduced charge. A friend was caught with a pistol in his car and it was some sort of misdemeanor which didn't affect future purchases. I this case however even a reduced charge could affect his employment.
 
Be interesting to see how many charges are dropped against Wesley Henderson, including whether or not any gun possession charges are.
 
Derek8404 said:
A few things: Maryland absolutely sucks, guy is a dumbass for opening his mouth, and I don’t know what his military service has to do with anything…seriously, just because you were in the military doesn’t mean you are a good person. Some of the biggest POS I have ever met have been in the military. I’m not saying the Gentleman in the story is or is not a good guy, I just don’t think it’s relevant.
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You're right, of course. You can't be in the military for any length of time at all without realizing this.

However, reputation by association works both ways...and in the case of the law and picking & choosing your potentially landmark court battles, the ones the state doesn't like to have challenge them are the ones with the clean, hero image. These are the people who, in the right circumstances, run a much better chance of rubbing the state noses in the steaming piles of state dog s***. In fact, they'll often as not go through the motions of dismissing charges rather than take the risk of losing a significant court battle with long reaching implications on state authority.

Rosa Parks, for example, wasn't an accident. She was chosen over another young lady, 15 year old Claudette Colving who was previously arrested for exactly the same thing Rosa was. Black civil rights activists were ready to rock and roll the system over Claudette's arrest...until they found out she was pregnant, which would have put a poorer light on their cause than they wanted.
 
noway2 said:
If we can reach a compromise such as training, that recognizes that some see placed like schools as "sensitive" i still see that as a win.
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Nope.

There is no such thing as "compromise" with this issue.

By definition, a compromise is an agreement between two or more sides in which each makes some sacrifice in order to acheive an agreement.

There IS no "sacrifice" from the gun control side. Ever. Taking less from the citizens is still taking. Does anybody here see any moves from the Left, for example, where they're putting up the NFA or GCA as bargaining chips to the order of "We'll get rid of these if you'd agree to enact safety training"?

THAT would be a sacrifice on their part, where they would literally roll back decades of major oppressive gun control legislation for something like safety classes.

No, what they're ALWAYS doing is TAKING. They NEVER give. Backing off from taking the whole cake by offering to only take a slice of the cake is not a compromise.

No compromise. Period.

Cake And Compromise – Illustrated Guide To Gun Control

Yea.. this analogy is perfect: LawDogFiles wrote the text, HSGCA (“Hypocrisy and Stupidity Of Gun Control” – the most retarded acronym I’ve ever seen) illustrated it. Full comic after the break! Thoughts?
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DrScaryGuy said:
Political groups can get in pretty heated discussions over making incremental legal progress using special people to lead the way vs fighting for the same rights for all people with no special people carve outs.
I know one group i was with was trying to analyze a bill that put some kind of extra restriction on regular people but had carveouts for all the usual folks plus folks who had done enhanced training. I was not in support of it. People were like "wait, you've taken extra classes, and you have instructor certs for a few things so you're automatically allowed under this bill."
"oh yeah, i guess am. still no."
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Exactly
What about clowns with certs?
That goofball from degroit urban survival training for example. An absolute wannabe masquerading as a tier one operator.
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Spartan said:
Exactly
What about clowns with certs?
That goofball from degroit urban survival training for example. An absolute wannabe masquerading as a tier one operator.
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This is the dip that shot himself in the leg, right?
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
By definition, a compromise is an agreement between two or more sides in which each makes some sacrifice in order to acheive an agreement.

There IS no "sacrifice" from the gun control side.
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Which is exactly why we don’t see things like enhanced permits that do away with “sensitive lace” restrictions. ;)
 
Charlie said:
What are these enhanced permits of which you speak?
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Something that doesn't exist. Rather it is the idea of offering training or other form of certification that eliminates restrictions on where the little people are "allowed" to be armed. I will repeat - I am firmly in the camp of "the 2nd is the only permit I need", however, if we are going to work with a permit system like we have today I would support a reasonable means to eliminate the stupid prohibitions on carry. Of course the tyrants would never go for that.
 
BigWaylon said:
Hopefully he follows the suggestion of this comment…

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Because I don’t like all the “special case” discussion in the article and comments, like these:

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As a veteran myself, I have issues with these two postings.

While I accept Mr. Muldrow's service as one sign that he may have a really clean background as a potential candidate to challenge the State (capital "S", meaning "government" overall) in a court battle over this, I do not accept the implications that military/security background should qualify him for, or grant him, any special privilege.

I'm pretty sure most people here understand the distinction I'm making.

Far too many laws are written which inhibit the rights of the people, but exempt government functionaries from those same inhibitions. The RKBA is not limited to law enforcement, judges, politicians, etc. and it most certainly is not limited to current or former members of the military either. In fact, it's the very thought that such weapons be limited to government officials that the Second Amendment was drafted for in the first place.

Mr. Muldrow should NOT "get some slack....since he has an extensive military/security background". What he should get is recognition that as a citizen of the United States, his RKBA is inviolate UNLESS that right has been revoked by actual due process and not legislative fiat.
 
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