McGregor/ Mayweather Aug 26!

He's going into Mayweathers world. I'd be shocked if he won. This would be like facing the best Jujutsu guy in a grappling only match. Or a gold medal Wrestler in a wrestling match. If McGregor was facing him in a MMA or Kickboxing match where he could use a variety of strikes, I'd take McGregor. McGregor is likely the better pure street fighter, but he's stepping into a boxing ring with one of the best boxers.

McGregor I believe is the underdog, but he has a punchers chance if he can land one. Landing one on Mayweather is the hard part. The 10 oz gloves may hinder that power we usually see him display in MMA.
 
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Well, Mac asked for a boxing match. So that is what he is going to get.
Big time money grab. Meh. Bad for both sports.

I don't care for these novelty fights.
I think Mac should be defending his title in his own sport.
 
the only advantage is that mac is 12 years younger than mayweather
 
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Two very unlikable guys...though the edge in that department would probably go to Mayweather. That said, I can't see McGregor legitimately winning this match.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he were finished by the light punching Mayweather.

And no, there's no way I'd pay to watch.
 
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Well, Floyd has knocked out 20 professional boxers, so not sure about "light" punching.

Mac's big punch is his left hook. It's a nice hook, but it isn't a Delahoya left hook. And we all know what Floyd did to Oscar.
I'd bet all Floyds punches carry more power.
 
drypowder said:
Yet here we are talking about it. And many will watch.
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I'll be watching for sure.

But I would also watch a fight between Curry and Kaeperdick, and that wouldn't really be good for basketball or football either!
 
I dont see how this would be bad for MMA or Boxing.
 
HMP said:
I dont see how this would be bad for MMA or Boxing.
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Because all the title contenders in MMA now have to sit around with their thumbs in their butts while the champion of the division goes into another sport to make a some money and retire, while not defending his belt in the most stacked division in MMA.

Can't see any benefit to boxing either. Plenty of word class boxers who want Mayweather. A whole line of them.
 
Yup. Mayweather.
How about making it exciting. Maybe, alternate between rounds, boxing, then MMA, etc.. etc.
If Mac can get a kick or two in there before he's out, it'll be worth it.
 
Tim Kennedy:
"It saddens me that if you reached the pinnacle of our sport the only way to make money is to switch over to boxing. "
 
NKD said:
Well, Floyd has knocked out 20 professional boxers, so not sure about "light" punching.

Mac's big punch is his left hook. It's a nice hook, but it isn't a Delahoya left hook. And we all know what Floyd did to Oscar.
I'd bet all Floyds punches carry more power.
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I agree with you. I meant "light" punching by the standards of the greats of the sweet science.
(I was a very big fan of boxing for most of my life until I became more interested in MMA.)

If McGregor had difficulty dealing with the punching of Nate Diaz I think he's going to find he's in deep water when he gets in the ring with Mayweather.

But let's face it. This was never something that McGregor earned. It's a carnival sideshow based upon the trumped up and hyped persona he created (a la pro wrestling) in concert with the UFC.

I mean, why don't we give that joke of a champion Bisping a shot against a top boxing pro? Exactly.

Money talks, but my wallet isn't interested in paying.
 
blues said:
I agree with you. I meant "light" punching by the standards of the greats of the sweet science.
(I was a very big fan of boxing for most of my life until I became more interested in MMA.)

If McGregor had difficulty dealing with the punching of Nate Diaz I think he's going to find he's in deep water when he gets in the ring with Mayweather.

But let's face it. This was never something that McGregor earned. It's a carnival sideshow based upon the trumped up and hyped persona he created (a la pro wrestling) in concert with the UFC.

I mean, why don't we give that joke of a champion Bisping a shot against a top boxing pro? Exactly.

Money talks, but my wallet isn't interested in paying.
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I, too, started as a boxing fan until MMA kinda took me over.

Not much to add, you hit it well over the fence with this post!
 
NKD said:
I, too, started as a boxing fan until MMA kinda took me over.

Not much to add, you hit it well over the fence with this post!
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Thank you, friend. I look forward to further discussion in this and other arenas. :cool:
 
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But let's face it. This was never something that McGregor earned. It's a carnival sideshow based upon the trumped up and hyped persona he created (a la pro wrestling) in concert with the UFC.
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While Mac rides the hype train as well as anyone, I wouldn't say Mac hasn't earned his position. He KO'ed Aldo, which might have been a fluke, but he demolished Alvarez. So he's topped both the Featherweight and Lightweight divisions, which are pretty competitive divisions. And he beat a considerably taller Diaz in yet another division.
 
drypowder said:
While Mac rides the hype train as well as anyone, I wouldn't say Mac hasn't earned his position. He KO'ed Aldo, which might have been a fluke, but he demolished Alvarez. So he's topped both the Featherweight and Lightweight divisions, which are pretty competitive divisions. And he beat a considerably taller Diaz in yet another division.
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Good points.

I thought Alvarez would show better. I wasn't surprised by Aldo's performance. I think he's spent and his day is past.

Nate Diaz is proof that styles make fights. He, like his brother, can look great when a fighter allows him to compete within his comfort zone. On the other hand, he looks awful when he's dragged to the mat, bullied and beaten.

I have to admit I'm prejudiced by my "old school" values when it comes to fighters. I like those that go about their business in a quiet and workmanlike manner and let the fans and the reporters do their bragging for them. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be popular anymore if you want to put asses in seats. Lamentable, imho.

I'll keep rooting for the loudmouths to be carried out of the ring, not in victory but in defeat.
 
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drypowder said:
While Mac rides the hype train as well as anyone, I wouldn't say Mac hasn't earned his position. He KO'ed Aldo, which might have been a fluke, but he demolished Alvarez. So he's topped both the Featherweight and Lightweight divisions, which are pretty competitive divisions. And he beat a considerably taller Diaz in yet another division.
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Not trying to crap on Mac, I love Mac. But it is and always has been, a running of the mouth hype train. With hand picked opponents and full backing of Dana White. Unfortunately, that is clearly obvious after Nate Diaz (handpicked by UFC to stand right in front of him), who beat him on the feet, then took him down for what appeared to be an impossibly easy RNC.

Mac beat Aldo and Eddie Alvarez, both in the twilight of their careers. Unfortunately, Nate Diaz exposed the hype train for what it is: a hype train.

Nate wasn't even top ten and beat him everywhere. Again, I love Mac and all, but this idea Dana White is trying to sell that he is the greatest evaaaaar is totally and laughably ridiculous.
 
McGregor is younger and is physically stronger and has a punchers chance. If the third man in the ring allows Conner to maul Mayweather and rough him up in clinches against the ropes it could get interesting, otherwise he stands little chance in a pure boxing match. Win or lose he wins at the bank which it what ts all about. UFC/MMA does not pay the big big $ like major boxing events so this was the way to get the big payday he wants to secure his families long term financial security.
 
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Mac beat Aldo and Eddie Alvarez, both in the twilight of their careers. Unfortunately, Nate Diaz exposed the hype train for what it is: a hype train.
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Nate walks around at about 185 and cuts hard to get down to 170, Conner walks around at about 160 and can cut easily to 155 or even 145, so Nate was a far bigger man at least 20lbs on fight night and Conner knock him on his ass about 10 times between the two fights.....and Diaz is one of the toughest hombre's in all combat sports. I think with both Conner and Mayweather there is some level of hype for sure and they both with their mouths make a lot of the hype, but 49-0 is hard to argue with and so is 2 belts that McGregor holds.
 
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blues said:
If McGregor had difficulty dealing with the punching of Nate Diaz I think he's going to find he's in deep water when he gets in the ring with Mayweather.
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This snippet triggered a thought. I'll readily admit I don't watch boxing or MMA, other than catching highlights of press conferences and bouts.

I do think one big difference in this one is that McGregor isn't going to have to stay cautious for a roundhouse, or takedown move, or anything else he's used to while punching. As long as he can ignore the instincts he's developed to watch out for those moves, he can focus on punching and defending.

Not saying he has a chance...just saying it shouldn't really compare to the stand-up portions of his previous MMA bouts. He can focus solely on the offensive and defensive aspects of boxes.
 
pirate said:
Nate walks around at about 185 and cuts hard to get down to 170, Conner walks around at about 160 and can cut easily to 155 or even 145, so Nate was a far bigger man and Conner knock him on his ass about 10 times between the two fights.
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Well he got the shit beat out of him, then choked out in first fight so I don't remember him getting "knocked on his ass ten times". He got beat and wobbled in second fight and he eeked out a close decision. We all actually saw the fight.

I disagree completely about weight and think this idea has been thoroughly debunked. Nate has fought at Lightweight (155) and Welterweight (170) his whole career, just like Mac. And he cuts hardly anything at welter. This idea that Conor went "up two weight classes" to fight Nate is bullshit, plain and simple.

They have weigh ins where everybody has to make weight the day before the fight. So, the weight of everybody is well known.
 
BigWaylon said:
This snippet triggered a thought. I'll readily admit I don't watch boxing or MMA, other than catching highlights of press conferences and bouts.

I do think one big difference in this one is that McGregor isn't going to have to stay cautious for a roundhouse, or takedown move, or anything else he's used to while punching. As long as he can ignore the instincts he's developed to watch out for those moves, he can focus on punching and defending.

Not saying he has a chance...just saying it shouldn't really compare to the stand-up portions of his previous MMA bouts. He can focus solely on the offensive and defensive aspects of boxes.
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I think I could buy into that more if he was a world class boxer outside of the MMA world, but that's not the case. You can always make the argument that a less talented fighter with power might get lucky a la Buster Douglas vs. Tyson. But how many times have we seen the touted one punch knockout artist prevail over the more talented fighter? They are memorable because they stand out. Generally, talent wins out. The exceptions though...they stay with us for a long time afterward.

Now you're bringing back memories of classic fights that used to get me going back in the day when Hagler, Hearns, Cuevas, Duran, Sanchez, Frazier, Foreman and others brought excitement to their fans and fear to their opponents. Not enough of that these days with a few notable exceptions.
 
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Well he got the shit beat out of him, then choked out in first fight so I don't remember him getting "knocked on his ass ten times". He got beat and wobbled in second fight and he eeked out a close decision. We all actually saw the fight.
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A refresher.....3 knockdowns in the first 2 rounds of the 2nd fight



Conner has held both the 145 and 155 belts so to go up to fight at 170 as he did against Nate is moving up two classes from the 145 limit. His natural non in camp weight is 155-160. Diaz walks around at 185 or above depend on his party schedule......he likes to hit the bong as we know so the muchies pack on the weight.

Here is Diaz admitting he was up to 200 before the 2nd fight
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/j...-ludicrous-weight-walking-around-pre-ufc-202/

I am not even a fan of McGregor but he does deserve his due. And while not a fan of the Daiz brothers either but they are likely the toughest guys in MMA and nobody looks good against them, win or lose.
 
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pirate said:
A refresher.....



Conner has held both the 145 and 155 belts so to go up to fight at 170 as he did against Nate is moving up two classes from the 145 limit. His natural non in camp weight is 155-160. Daiz walks around at 185 or above.
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No, becvause Nate has fought at 155. Conor has fought at 145. They fought at catchweight because Nate was on ten days notice. It's not fair to discuss what people "walk around at" because with these althelets either one of them can gain however many pounds they wish to eat. Nate certainly doesn't "walk around at 185+" if he is in any kind of shape. He's fought half his fights at 155.

The truth is that he fought a dude that has weighed the same as him. And, when Conor fought Eddie he was the much bigger man. Conor is a master of weight loss, a lot more than Nate Diaz is.
 
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The truth is that he fought a dude that has weighed the same as him. And, when Conor fought Eddie he was the much bigger man. Conor is a master of weight loss, a lot more than Nate Diaz is.
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True that. Just look at Conor and Alvarez in the ring on fight day. Conor was clearly bigger. And his edge in the 145 division is huge because he's so much bigger than other featherweights. He may not fight at that weight going forward because cutting to 145 is brutal for him (but of course the fact that he can do it and most others cannot, is what gives him an edge).

He should just stick to 155 and dominate for as long as he can.

As for Diaz, his fighting weight class is 155. He's a 'soft' 170 fighting bigger guys in that division.
 
Just saw Dana White talking about the fight. He is expecting $600MM in sales between tickets and PPV (they haven't figured what PPV price will be yet). This would be the biggest fight evah.

Conor could make $100MM depending on PPV sales. Mayweather will make even more than that.

And where he lost me - sounds like it will be a 12rd fight. WTF? Conor doesn't train for 12rd fights. Because Mayweather is a great boxer and McGregor isn't a boxer at all, McGregor will have to go for big shots. So Floyd will just run until Conor is gassed, and nail Conor with counterpunches. This sounds like a total snoozer. I'm gonna pass. Conor might have a chance in a 3 round boxing match, but 12 rounds is ridiculous.

Sure seems like Conor agreed to terms that don't give him a chance at a win but does make him filthy rich. And Floyd agreed to terms that add to his fortune without risking tarnishing his legacy. Win-win-win for both fighters, the promoters, and Showtime.

The only losers will be the fans.
 
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I'm waiting to see what happens when Mac lands an "unintentional " elbow coming out of the clinch...
 
drypowder said:
Just saw Dana White talking about the fight. He is expecting $600MM in sales between tickets and PPV (they haven't figured what PPV price will be yet). This would be the biggest fight evah.

Conor could make $100MM depending on PPV sales. Mayweather will make even more than that.

And where he lost me - sounds like it will be a 12rd fight. WTF? Conor doesn't train for 12rd fights. Because Mayweather is a great boxer and McGregor isn't a boxer at all, McGregor will have to go for big shots. So Floyd will just run until Conor is gassed, and nail Conor with counterpunches. This sounds like a total snoozer. I'm gonna pass. Conor might have a chance in a 3 round boxing match, but 12 rounds is ridiculous.

Sure seems like Conor agreed to terms that don't give him a chance at a win but does make him filthy rich. And Floyd agreed to terms that add to his fortune without risking tarnishing his legacy. Win-win-win for both fighters, the promoters, and Showtime.

The only losers will be the fans.
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It will go one of 3 ways

1- Both will fight like its nothing more than an exhibition with Mayweather winning a boring farce of a decision.....and the fans are the big loser and they both get super rich.
2- They both come to fight and since its a prue boxing match, Mayweather wins a boring decision....and the fans are the big loser and they both get super rich.
3- Conner pins him in a corner and lands the big punch and shocks the world and NKD (Dave)o_Oand everyone else who has no respect for him has to hear him run his mouth non-stop and he rules the sports world for the foreseeable future.......huge win for his bank account and ego, and Mayweather gets richer too regardless.

Bottom line is Floyd was not going to fight him unless it was a straight up boxing match....because he is the one with more to lose.....his perfect record, pride and his legacy,
Conner when he loses just banks 100M and goes back to bashing MMA fighters, nobody thinks he can win so what does he have to lose. Any man brave enough to step in the squared circle or cage can carry his head high, and for the Irishman to challenge an undefeated legend at his game takes some big stones.
 
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NKD said:
Tim Kennedy:
"It saddens me that if you reached the pinnacle of our sport the only way to make money is to switch over to boxing. "
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Conner is the best showman and self-promoter in MMA and he has backed up his big talk and now he will bank the big money......good for him.
 
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3- Conner pins him in a corner and lands the big punch and shocks the world
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Pure fantasy.

Pacquiao, an experienced, accomplished and aggressive BOXER could barely touch Mayweather. McGregor's left hook won't touch anything but air.

Unless he's willing to throw elbows, knees and bite off one of Floyd's ears, his chances are slim to none.
 
Mac really has no chance,,,he's a great boxer in MMA,,,,there's a reason Mayweather is 49-0. It's a different level of speed vs May. 49 others couldn't hit Mayweather and MAC will be number 50. He has a slight chance because he's in the ring. If Mayweather starts toying with him in the later rounds (and he will). Conner might get Lucky ( Sylvia vs Wiedman)
 
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Conner is the best showman and self-promoter in MMA and he has backed up his big talk and now he will bank the big money......good for him.
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Absolutely, agree with this 100% !

And, he does have a punchers chance. He's fast and hits hard and Floyd has to be slowing down at 40. You never know!
 
pirate said:
It will go one of 3 ways

1- Both will fight like its nothing more than an exhibition with Mayweather winning a boring farce of a decision.....and the fans are the big loser and they both get super rich.
2- They both come to fight and since its a prue boxing match, Mayweather wins a boring decision....and the fans are the big loser and they both get super rich.
3- Conner pins him in a corner and lands the big punch and shocks the world and NKD (Dave)o_Oand everyone else who has no respect for him has to hear him run his mouth non-stop and he rules the sports world for the foreseeable future.......huge win for his bank account and ego, and Mayweather gets richer too regardless.

Bottom line is Floyd was not going to fight him unless it was a straight up boxing match....because he is the one with more to lose.....his perfect record, pride and his legacy,
Conner when he loses just banks 100M and goes back to bashing MMA fighters, nobody thinks he can win so what does he have to lose. Any man brave enough to step in the squared circle or cage can carry his head high, and for the Irishman to challenge an undefeated legend at his game takes some big stones.
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So, by me giving my true thoughts as a long time boxing and MMA fan, that means I have no respect for Conor?
Don't know why in the world you would even begin to think I have no respect for him?

Maybe you are a little too emotionally invested in this? I am just giving thoughts as a fight fan. And I have been a fan since MMA started. I respect and like all the fighters.

If Conor knocks him out I will be jumping up and down out of sheer joy. Don't know why you would think otherwise?
 
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