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  1. ERE99

    ERE99 Active Member

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    Just wondering.... I`m no attorney, but its my understanding that while state and local laws may be tougher than federal laws, they can`t overturn or negate fed law.

    Recreational Weed is illegal under fed law, yet states and localities have "legalized" it, thumbing their noses at the feds. Same for "sanctuary" cities.

    So, why not tell the feds to pound sand and legalize fully automatic firearms, suppressors, etc, on a state or local level? I`ve seen all the "2A Sanctuary"stuff, but how much "2A" do they actually support? Even within our ranks it would be a hard issue to pass due to the monetary devaluation of existing transferables.

    Wht say yall?
     
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    Seems like one of the fly over states tried this awhile back. Produce in state and no export to other states
    I'm not sure how it ended but I don't think it flew far.
     
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    bigfelipe Phil-osopher... Charter Life Member

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    Move to Montana... That's how it works there...
     
  4. Cowboy

    Cowboy Glances can deceive

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    The difference is unless your caught with a crap load of weed the feds don't really care. Get caught with one or two full automatic weapons and the atf is gonna bend you over.
     
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    J R Green Member Charter Life Member

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    Federal crimes require federal officers to enforce them. Weed isn't worth their time but they have a whole agency dedicated to firearms laws.
     
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    Kansas tried it. A couple of guys got busted. The state wrote a letter on their behalf. supreme court said "meh" and let the conviction stand.
    United States v. Cox

    The dangerous thing is that states the allow medical marijuana keep your license and info on file, which could be sent to the feds. Other states (see illinois) have legalized weed... but you're required to have your license scanned each time you buy something - but don't worry... the state has said they won't keep any records of this and they'll not keep the information for future use to attempt to void your gun licenses/permits and submit the info to the feds.
    Hawaii and Pennsylvania have both stated that once you get your weed card, you can't have guns anymore.
     
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    Hammer21b I'm you're Huckleberry

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    I’m no fan of legal weed but, how is this different from alcohol? Other than weed being illegal. But alcohol has been illegal in the past. But states that have past legal weed don’t have laws that say if you buy alcohol you can’t have guns! Hypocrite much?
     
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    MacEntyre Shoot on Sight! Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Grew up in Hippy Hill, left in 1972. By 1975, I was totally fed up with pot haids. I worked on the water, an' they were everywhere on the coast! I wouldn't want any of 'em to have a gun. Some of 'em did, and it was scary...

    What makes Virginia interesting is the prospect of The State of Virginia trying to arrest individuals under the new anti-gun laws, which individuals are hiding amongst the local sheriff's deputies. Virginia may devolve into The Liberal Cities and The Wild Frontier, like it was in 1750.
     
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    noway2 Senior Member Charter Life Member

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    Saying you’re not going to recognize someone else’s “laws” requires more than a strongly worded letter. Those “laws” are backed by the threat of violence and you need to be equally prepared to use violence in your defiance.

    I am all for The People telling Uncle (and the states) to pound sand with regards to their gun laws, but the People are going to have to organize and be willing to fight when the controllers have other intentions.

    The local minuteman / militia movement is promising and putting it under the local sheriff gives it legitimacy in the eyes of the local fence sitters.
     
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    Also, just becasue MJ is legal in a state your use of it will make you automatically ineligible to purchase a firearm. Check question 11e on ATF form 4473
     
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    11e, states "unlawful" user.... doubt there is any addiction....


    Never mind, just saw a newer form with we covered our asses additional wording.
     
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    ...and the DEA?
     
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    It's a federal law, and a federal form - unlawful.
     
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    The reason, in a nutshell, is that Marijuana is viewed as a harmless drug/activity. You cannot kill someone with a dose of Marijuana, accidentally or on purpose. You can do that with a machine gun. Ergo, drugs good, MG's bad Mkay?

    Liberty, for the masses, is only acceptable to most if it is bubblewrapped safetified.
     
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    The DEA isn't going to care for anything less than hundreds of pounds of pot probably coming through a port of entry or boarder. I know it kind of sounds crazy but the feds do not really care about pot and they are not the easiest to get interested in anything short of MAJOR drug bust. But if you start throwing in drugs with gun violence or just gun violence and BOOM task force.
     
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    There you go with the buzzwords... they got to you man!!!
     
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    It's not different. not at all.
    So I hope you're not really asking me to defend the government's stance on this. I just woke up and I haven't had enough coffee to go on another keyboard rant about "Weed shouldn't at all be a schedule 1 drug. By definition, it CAN'T be a schedule 1 drug, but it is. The govt needs to fix this and everybody who has been prosecuted under the law needs to be compensated..."

    That was kind of my point. Sure, some states/counties have passed anti-anti-gun resolutions, but these "sanctuary city" type resolution are only as strong as the crowd of people who are willing to get shot in the faces by federal agents over them.
     
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    Monetary devaluation? BRING THAT IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    So you are ok with Joe down the street drinking a case a beer everyday and owning guns but someone who smokes marijuana shouldn’t own guns?
     
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    Entire agency dedicated to drugs as well (DEA).

    I been saying all along to the 2A sanctuary naysayers that in all appearances this appears to be a local-state microcosm of the state-fed marijuana phenomenon. There is now practical anecdotes or precedent for response behavior if it reaches high enough levels of popular support and 'non-compliance' actors. The feds CAN come burn down the farm and arrest all its proprietors in say, California, but reality is DEA relies massively on state and local department support in those operations and so need to choose their battles/resources wisely--effectively neutering their actions against Mary Jane.

    This may very likely be same scenario with enforcing politically charged 2a laws. State will have their hands tied if they get no local support from sheriffs and town department to cooperate in crimes, warrants, arrests, etc...
     
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    Never noticed weed being a problem in any way. Grew up in a place it was everywhere, although of course I have never tried it. I never noticed it being a problem because: it was not a problem.
    The only "problem" is making it a huge criminal commodity where its worth literally half the price of GOLD, because of prohibition. THAT is the problem.

    Imagine how idiotic it is to turn a basic easy to grow plant into a money windfall for criminals. Where they can literally grow cash on weeds. Yeah, that's gonna help it go away. That's gonna work. Keep those "hippies" in line yo!!


    But with alcohol, I could not even begin to remember all the stupid and dangerous things I have seen many many many times. Including death, beatings (even of girls, children and friends), gun shots randomly into the air, vehicle deaths, cheating on people, etc etc etc.

    I'll never understand why people can exist with this bizarre dichotomy.

    The idea that you can swill as much liquor as you like, 24 hours a day, even while openly carrying a gun and that is fine. But smoke some weed in the privacy of your own home, and they take your stuff and probably jail you.
    It's retarded. And of course the opposite of freedom and liberty. When I hear someone going on about the danger of weed, I think "wow, what a moron".
     
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    Living in So Cal during the late 70's and eighties, I got to see all the drugs. Seriously..you name it. Los Angeles had everything.
    I freely tell people that cocaine and it's derivatives are the 2nd worst drugs out there.
    The first one is alcohol.
     
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    Let's say just the 1986 bill was to be overturned..... Can you imagine what owners of $15,000+ M16's would say when you could convert a $500 AR on a $200 stamp? Same for semi BARs, semi M1919s, etc.
     
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    Never been much of a drinker. All I've ever had would go in a 2 gallon bucket. Never tried "pot" in any form in my life. Hell a Winston would probably choke me to death. Having said that, I don't give even a Little Tiny Damn what Anybody does. You live your life, I'll live what little I got left and we'll all be happy.
    What you will not like the result of, is if you come inside these gates and whether High, Drunk, Stoned or Cold Sober and show your ass. All but the insolent and ill mannered are welcome here. Those are not suffered here.
     
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    Ha. Some folks here have already done that, literally. :p
     
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    What society needs now is more intoxicants.
     
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    How do they look upon perjury?

    If you lie and sign that form, you've just committed a felony.

    Gonna go to jail for it? Probably not.
     
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    we have said it before but....
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    I'm not sure what form your talking about. I guess the 4473 for ffl. If so when was the last time you've heard of anyone even looking before a violent crime?
     
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    Gosh, I don't recall sayin' that!
     
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    The 4473....
     
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    Totally hypocritical. Govco regulating Buzzco. I'm guessing the booze lobby can be persuasive, as well as still having enough voters alive that don't get it. Or don't want to and wouldn't mind if alcohol went away.

    Just my opinion, but alcohol is way worse than weed. I worked in a hospital in the Chemical Dependency and Mental Health units way back many moons ago. I did not see a single person come through either unit with weed having ruined their lives. Plenty of them have gone to jail though. I never witnessed weed DT's either BTW.

    I do admit that long term, we still don't have all the health info. OTOH, the state runs a chain of stores that sell something that we KNOW what happens short and long term if abused.

    Funny too that a lot of the old alcoholics totally looked down upon drug abusers. Thought they were scum. And I'm talking about guys that some had multiple DWI's from back in the day when you could keep doing it if you could afford a good lawyer or knew somebody. Crappy insurance rates, but they were still driving!
     
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    The case of beer guy gets an ERPO?:p
     
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    Get misty eyed just thinking about it.
    I just doubled checked the math and I care 0.00% what they would say. Sucks for them, but great for literally everyone else. The E-File system would probably melt within the first hour. :D
     
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    Because I don' like armed pothaids, don' mean I like armed drunks. Which, I don' like neither. :confused:
     
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    Remind me to shake your hand if we ever meet.
    I'm a couple drinks in and about to do one more. I have 2 loaded pistols, an unloaded pistol and an unloaded rifle within a few feet of me. around the house there are a few more loaded pistols (and one suppressed AR pistol).
    I'm not going to be touching any of them them unless somebody is kicking in my door. Guess what... my guns are not going to shoot anybody tonight unless that happens. That's just being responsible.
    I also don't do drugs, but I don't care if others do as long as they do it safely. Drunk drivers, high drivers - those people can cause problems. Somebody who puts in a full day of work, does some overtime, comes home and handles their personal business, then relaxes with a couple drinks and a few hits of weed to help them relax? not a problem. That's just a different way to de-stress and sleep. Handle your stuff like an adult and I don't care what you do or who you do it with as long as everybody is down for it.
     
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    Could you give us your definition of "pothead" and "drunks"?
     
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    Actually, you do do drugs if you drink alcohol?
     
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    Sorry, what I was kind of getting at is that most people I know drink alcohol and most people I know also own guns. I consider alcohol a far worse drug than marijuana. Weather you use alcohol/marijuana to relax at the end of the day or Xanax/Valium for anxiety or Vicodin for back pain you should be able to own all the firearms you want. You never see anyone hopped up on “pot” looking to start fights at the bar.
     
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