more time with the PA 1x, some good, some bad

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I've had a chance to play around with the 1x prism from PA a bit more, and run it in a class over the weekend. I've got three of these things now, so I had better like them. :)

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The good:

- the glass is very clear, the reticle is sharp and can be focused to make up for some eyeball differences.
- the 13 mounting options included in the box are nice. If you're just on an AR it's fine to just have a high mount, but for non-ARs, shotguns, and other oddballs being able to fine tune the mount without extra cost is big
- you don't need power to make it work, when zeroing or plinking at steel at the range I just leave it off and use the etched reticle.
- won't wash out in low light (was in a class with a night shoot and when people had their dots turned down to lower settings hitting a close target with 10 billion lumens of white light there would be enough light to lose the dot. I had a 1-8x with an etched reticle so when it got suddenly bright I still had something to aim with and this 1x should work the same way)
- it's got a few hash marks for ranges, so you can learn some hold-overs and have something to reference vs. just a dot

The bad:

- the battery cover on the dial starts to open when I try to dial the illumination in the 'wrong' way. the fix is to dial the other way, or remember to retighten but that's just lame. it works in both directions, so it shouldn't come apart when you use one.
- the OFF position (0) has to line up with a little arrow on the body of the optic, and it's hard to see with crappy eyes and with the lower settings and NV settings not visible in daylight you can't be sure it's off just by looking. I put a silver paint pen mark on the 0 on the dial and the body, line them up and it's off
- the thing turns off when the dial gets bumped. At one point in the class I had my rifle laying propped on a 4x4 on the ground (the staging table was full) and it got kicked a bit which made the dial move just a tiny amount. I just happened to check the illumination before I got to the line and noticed it was off 'between' settings (there is only one off, not an off in-between each setting). The second time I don't know what happened, must have been bumped with me just carrying the rifle slung all day but in the middle of a drill I noticed the reticle was dark. I'm so used to having it off in the day that it didn't really register to me that anything was amiss until I remembered after that I wanted to run it ON the whole class.

The meh:

- 1 MOA adjustments, pretty coarse but this is a 1x and I'm not a 1 MOA shooter with irons or a 1x at any distance 1 MOA would make a difference at
- no covers on the adjustments. it 'seems' like they wouldn't get bumped but I don't like it so I've taken to putting gaffers tape over them as a precaution.
- the bikini cover is chinchy
- the circle around the dot, it's cool looking when on the bench and showing off to your friends, but not really sure it's needed at speed, just some extra noise in your field of view but I just might not know any better

Overall, it's not bad for the price. PA just raised it 10%, but that's sadly not unexpected. I really, really like how it works without power so for things that get staged and left it makes total sense to have an optic that doesn't require batteries or functioning electronics to work. I need more time behind it to get proficient so I can do head-to-head drills with a red dot and see if it works just as well up close, because I know it's better at range with it's sorta kinda BDC.

classy turret covers:
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aid for old eyeballs:

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A nice option when you need slightly more height than flush mount but less than a normal 1/3 co-witness AR height, with some setback:

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Good review, thanks @Jayne

Potential fix re: battery cover

Remove cover, put one drop blue loctite on threads, use toothpick to smear it into the threads all the way around for max coverage.
DO NOT PUT COVER ON.
Let loctite cure 24 hours. Now put cover on. Loctite in threads should provide extra friction to keep cover in place.
 
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I put one of these on a 10.3” SBR that is my “go to” rifle for most things. I wanted to replace an LPVO so I could more easily run NODs with a mounted laser.

The prism reticle is crystal clear. I chose the green reticle and it really pops. @Jayne didn't mention it, but my unit turns on with any movement, and off if idle for some period. Works great!

The prism does NOT work particularly well with the PVS-14, but that could just be me.

With the chevron zero’d at 50, impacts out to 300 (55gr 5.56) work as described in the manual.

All in all, a great value. And highly recommended.

I do wish I could figure out a better tall mount for it. I have a thread here somewhere showing the crazy setup needed to get to 1.93” out of the box.
 
Mine is now riding on a gussied up Savage Hog Hunter, imitating a scout style rifle and awaiting it's suppressor. I had an original PA 1x Cyclops and this generation is a significant improvement!
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One point of clarification about the illumination that it is on page 9 in the manual. The sight has dimming/auto-sleep/shake-awake tech called AUTOLIVE by PA, unlike it's predecessor. Thus set it an forget it for about a year or two.

Using cutting-edge LED technology, the SLx 1x MicroPrism offers 13 illumination settings with AutoLive® motion-sensing on/off technology and three night vision settings for ultra-low light, medium/transitional light, and IR flood applications. At maximum illumination, the MicroPrism offers true daylight bright performance, while the innovative low-power sleep mode safeguards battery life for reliable ‘always-on’ storage.

I see they now offer an ARD to protect the lens that I now need to purchase:

 
Same concept. I usually have a tube or three of blue laying around for scope rings and such so I just use that.
The Vibra-Tite never really "hardens." Not sure about loctite but this stuff is great for small screws that you need to remove frequently without worrying about stripping them out. I put a small amount on the threads and let it sit for 15-20 minutes. It solidifies but never really dries.
 
- the circle around the dot, it's cool looking when on the bench and showing off to your friends, but not really sure it's needed at speed, just some extra noise in your field of view but I just might not know any better

This is the problem I have with all their optics. They insist on sticking large illuminated donuts around everything to "draw the eye".

But it does the opposite. Draws the eye away from the centerpoint. Meh. Wish they'd make a basic useful reticle.
 
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The Vibra-Tite never really "hardens." Not sure about loctite but this stuff is great for small screws that you need to remove frequently without worrying about stripping them out. I put a small amount on the threads and let it sit for 15-20 minutes. It solidifies but never really dries.
Two different products, same end result.
Screws/thread protectors/caps/etc that stay put, can be removed, reinstalled, and still stay put.
 
NO. PEASANT CEASE THY BEWAILING. THOU SHALT LOVE THE ACCS.

PA needs to get with the program and stop sticking that thing in every. single. optic. they make.

presumably the ones with the fancy reticles sell better than the simple ones, so they're going to follow the money.
 
This is the problem I have with all their optics. They insist on sticking large illuminated donuts around everything to "draw the eye".

But it does the opposite. Draws the eye away from the centerpoint. Meh. Wish they'd make a basic useful reticle.

Yes, at least this generation the doughnut ring is MUCH thinner!! Last Gen that thing was way too thick and obscured far too much downrange. It's still too thick and the chevron is still a touch too small for my liking, but the ring is usable.

I'd rather see a chevron on a post like the ACOG's or ACCS Aurora in the Micro personally.

PA's optics guy Dimitri invented the ACCS, either he or PA owns the patent on it so it pretty much goes into everything they make.
 
I really don't like reading that it turned off when the optic got tapped a little. That's really unsettling.

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Yes, at least this generation the doughnut ring is MUCH thinner!! Last Gen that thing was way too thick and obscured far too much downrange. It's still too thick and the chevron is still a touch too small for my liking, but the ring is usable.

I'd rather see a chevron on a post like the ACOG's or ACCS Aurora in the Micro personally.

PA's optics guy Dimitri invented the ACCS, either he or PA owns the patent on it so it pretty much goes into everything they make.

Yeah I have been following along with them since the beginning. Just a dot and fine straight stadia are fine. Don't need any triangles or donuts at all in my non-magnified optic. It seems like all of these are designed for somebody sitting at a bench.

Just my opinion. It may be useful for you.
 
Does the mount pattern match up with Aimpoint H1 or Trijicon MRO? Just wondering if any existing line of aftermarket mounts would work with it?
 
Does the mount pattern match up with Aimpoint H1 or Trijicon MRO? Just wondering if any existing line of aftermarket mounts would work with it?
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So ACOG pattern mounts would work then....
Looks like it. I believe there are more than one ACOG footprint though. For instance, I have an ADM ACOG mount that works with earlier generations PA prisms. It only has 2 screws 🤷🏼
 
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Another class with the 1x today, and it turned off 3 times at what looked like 2-ish hour intervals. A quick tap brought it back to life each time, so I thought "hey, it does have shake-awake". Until it just wonked out in the middle of a drill. Etched reticle for the win, I just kept going without the red, but clearly live fire should be enough of a shake to keep it awake.

It's also got some sort of green speck inside it now, like something broke off inside or got in there.

Either way, I think this one needs to go back to PA for some work.
 
That's a shame. Glad they're taking care of you but that would be enough for me to sell it after it's repaired and move on to a higher end optic.

I've got two of their SLx MD-20s and one SLx Advanced 30mm dots. They've been solid but I haven't ran them real hard. I'd really like to try a Prism.

What drills were you running that caused it to fail?

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An update here, after pinging them last week asking about the repairs (which they say happen in TX, not shipped back to China) they shipped me a replacement.

It was scheduled to arrive today saying out for delivery as of 7am. Around 10am the fedex truck drove by the driveway, slowed down and then took off. Now the tracking site says "OPERATIONAL DELAY" which I'm assuming is shipper speak for "we were running behind and didn't want to waste time driving up your driveway so screw you, you'll get it 'next business day'".

Something to look forward to next week I suppose.
 
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