Mosin Nagants in Astan

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    This one came to me wrap in a black wrap around the stock. Cut it open and receiver is a 1921 dated Ishevsk. Stock and forearm were badly damaged which required repair. Gun did fire but at 15 yds is key holing and case sticking every time to chamber. Gun will just be a wall hanger for the Soviet/Russian collection.

    As brought in on right in the black wrap
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    Busted stock and forearm
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    Disassembled while repairing stock. Cold blued the exposed metal
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    Rebuilt and put on wall with the other Russians. Need to strip the wood and refinish later.
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    Another MN, 1891 Dragoon rifle built by Ishevsk in 1922. That's three years after the Bolsheviks took over the country. Rifle has seen better days, multiple stock cracks (green tape holding it together), rear sight broken and flops, top on striker/safety lug is broken, buttplate broken and magazine spring is broken. Can still be feed as a single shot and kill a man at close range. Captured last year in Afghanistan.

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    From 7.62x54R.net

    Shortly after the adoption of the M91 Infantry rifle two shorter versions were developed for mounted troops. The M91 Dragoon was intended for mounted infantry and the M91 Cossack for cavalry. At 48 ¾” they are 2 ½” shorter than the M91's 51 ¼”. The primary difference in the two is the Dragoon was sighted with the bayonet attached and the Cossack was not issued with a bayonet. Cossack rifles are scarce today and easily recognized by the mark "Ka3" on the chamber. Production of these models only took place at Izhevsk and Tula and overlapped M91/30 production by a few years in the early 1930s. Most of these rifles were later updated to M91/30 specifications with new sights, handguards, and barrel bands, but will retain the earlier barrel markings shown on this page. They are commonly referred to as "ex-Dragoons" or "updated Dragoons" by collectors. "Updated Cossacks" are much less common, but have been documented.

    The rifle pictured at the top of the page is in original configuration with the early flat rear sight leaf, no recoil bolt and the full length handguard which wraps around the rear sight base. The rifle pictured below is in the later configuration with the Konovalov rear sight, recoil bolt, and a shortened handguard. The rear of the handguards were often damaged and simply cut back and later were produced in that configuration. Dragoons and Cossacks which have not been fully upgraded with M91/30 sights often have M91/30 handguards and barrel bands. Among collectors the type of sights is the primary consideration when determining if a rifle is a Dragoon or ex-Dragoon regardless of the handguard and barrel band types.

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    I was wondering what where all this stuff goes after you get it, and even fix/restore them?
    I have a RPD, but it doesn't shoot like yours. :oops:
     
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    Some of the guns get demilled and guys take them home as War Trophies (where the 1922 went). Some will hang on the wall to educate troops over here. If and big IF the Senate bill ever goes thru redefining an antique from 1898 to 100 yrs from todays date in the future, then I could import them. As of now if we pull out they'll more likely get demilled or destroyed :(

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    Well that sucks. They should be C&R at least.
     
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    There's about 6 or so countries where firearms are prohibited from import Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, China and Cuba. Places I normally get sent to.

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    Pics in this post (#2) aren't showing for me. Anyone else?
     
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    Kind of like that green tape. I may coverup my glock with it just so it doesn't look like every other black polymer pistol out there
     
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    They should be as they are hosted on this site?

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    This M44 picture was just sent to me from another location.
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    Yeah, I dunno why. That last one shows up fine.

    Not just this thread; sometimes I just see "." Oh well.

    Anyway-love those rubber stock enhancements on the M44. They got a Hogue in Astan? lol. The shotgun next to it looks like a Winchester mdl 24, but can't tell if its single or bbl SxS edge-on.

    EDIT: ok, that's weird - I typed "bracket IMG bracket" but everythiing inside the quotes disappeared from the actual post. Might have to ask a mod. Side issue-carry on!
     
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    More likely a Russian single shot shotgun. They are all over here.

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    I encountered HR "Topper" and Winchester 37s siezed from the Kurds in Iran that were decorated in tribal furniture tacks and ribbons, and exported to the U.S. in the 70s. Thousands of them came in and I assisted in processing them. I imagine a lot of them filtered into Afghanistan also.
     
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    Stripped the 1921 stock down this morning and added a coat of varnish. Wish I had some boiled linseed oil however have to use what I have.

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    Whats the story with the green tape? I've seen pics of quite a few firearms from over there that have been repaired with that same kind of green tape.
     
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    You figured it out. They use whatever tape they have available. Clear, green or red tape.

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    Bring back some red paki tape with you, love to mess up one of my aks lol
     
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    Speaking of the single shot shotguns, cleaned up the Baikal also. Had to get rid of that blue paint! Fixed a crack in the grip tang also.

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    This came in demilled today. As the muzzle was welded shut. 1945 dated M44 Ishevsk carbine without its folding bayonet or cleaning rod.
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    Cut weld off, filed flat, deburred, reblued crown. Don't have proper tools to recrown but its going just be a shooter. It does shoot as 5 rds of tracer down range this afternoon.
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    Early bayonet mount, later wouldn't have the flat but two hooked ends.
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    High wall reciever as built from 43'-45'. As seen here (not a reused receiver)
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    Group photo, linked 1500 rds into PKM belts last two days by hand.
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    M44 shooting with Bulgarian light ball, tracer and S&B 174gr BTHP

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    Had the trigger spring/bolt stop in the M44 (1945) break on the range today. Have put something near 1500 rds thru it lately. Came back from the range, grabbed the shot out 1891 Dragoon (1921 dated) and swapped parts.

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