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Don’t.
Seriously, as someone whose primary rifle is an 11.5”, short barrels are already ridiculously loud. Adding a brake only serves to frustrate and annoy anyone shooting with/next to you. You get absolutely minimum in the way of recoil mitigation from a brake.
Stick with a flash hider or get something like a Flaming Pig.
Seriously, as someone whose primary rifle is an 11.5”, short barrels are already ridiculously loud. Adding a brake only serves to frustrate and annoy anyone shooting with/next to you. You get absolutely minimum in the way of recoil mitigation from a brake.
Stick with a flash hider or get something like a Flaming Pig.
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I’ll modify my above answer of “don’t” with a question. How do you shoot? Bench, known distance? Competitions where speed and
Movement are involved? Are you placing well aimed, precise, shots on target in a timed or stressful environment? If bench shooting well aimed shots (implying you’re taking your time) is your norm, then a brake has zero benefit.
Are you already splitting hairs in the accuracy department? Meaning you’ve gotten every 1/10” you can by tuning gas, buffer/spring, ammo, optic, trigger….? All of that has far more benefit than a “brake” in mitigating recoil and keeping you on target.
My bias is obviously showing, but I think people pay way too much $$ and time on these concussion inducing tacti-cool devices.
EDIT: I’m not claiming that brakes aren’t effective, I’m saying the benefit is incremental and not worth the ‘cost’ of annoying the crap out of your neighbors on the line, or destroying the hearing of everyone around you.
Movement are involved? Are you placing well aimed, precise, shots on target in a timed or stressful environment? If bench shooting well aimed shots (implying you’re taking your time) is your norm, then a brake has zero benefit.
Are you already splitting hairs in the accuracy department? Meaning you’ve gotten every 1/10” you can by tuning gas, buffer/spring, ammo, optic, trigger….? All of that has far more benefit than a “brake” in mitigating recoil and keeping you on target.
My bias is obviously showing, but I think people pay way too much $$ and time on these concussion inducing tacti-cool devices.
EDIT: I’m not claiming that brakes aren’t effective, I’m saying the benefit is incremental and not worth the ‘cost’ of annoying the crap out of your neighbors on the line, or destroying the hearing of everyone around you.
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WHAT?!?!!!?? I CANT HEAR YOU BECAUSE I’M {*}^#}^]*]]*[*}^#!!!! DEAF from RO’ing all these Tactical Timmy types!
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So, I only know of one good use case for a brake - double taps (or more) in action shooting competition like 3gun. Most everyone has a brake (for that reason) and so everyone is used to it (and often have both plugs and muffs).
Using a “good” brake at your local indoor range on a crowded static firing line is probably useless, and definitely rude. Almost as rude on an outdoor firing line, unless you can space out quite a bit.
What is your intended use for the 12-14” upper? You don’t want to use a brake indoors defending your castle. Blow up the other guy’s ears, not your own.
Hmmm… well maybe one other use case. LR shooting where you want to see the trace and impact, so you need to scope to stay on target.
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Brakes definitely work to mitigate recoil/muzzle rise, but good God they are obnoxious. They loudest most unpleasant thing I have ever shot is my 11.5in with YHM brake. It will give you a headache after a few rounds. I almost want to swap it out for a flash hider just in the unlikely event I ever have to shoot it without the can.
I put one on my training/gaming AR for one single drill that gets run at every class. It's a 6 shot 3 target drill with a par of 2 seconds, and to 'win' you've gotta be all alphas in the 1.4-ish range, sometimes down to 1.3-ish if everyone is feeling frisky. In this one case, the brake really did help, pulled me solidly down 0.2 secs from before.
Otherwise, it's just dumb and annoying and I share your hatred. Nailing moves and transitions makes up more than a few hundredths of brake magic, costs nothing and isn't annoying. But I think there was some trash talking before about training being better than gear, so we don't want to go back to that place.
Put a $5 A2 on it, spend the difference on training or put it towards a silencer.
I've been down this road as have many others. Unless you are at peak performance trying to bring your competitions times down by 1/10s of a second they are just loudeners that annoy everyone around you.
I've been down this road as have many others. Unless you are at peak performance trying to bring your competitions times down by 1/10s of a second they are just loudeners that annoy everyone around you.
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Bruh…do you even internet?
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I used to really like the vg6 epsilons. Pretty cheap and do an amazing job controlling recoil.
That said nowadays I prefer something more along the line of the SOLGW Nox. Much less blasty, and no real degradation to splits imo.
That said nowadays I prefer something more along the line of the SOLGW Nox. Much less blasty, and no real degradation to splits imo.
Here, knock yourself and everyone else around you out.
LAF 1/2-28
The LAF (Loud And Flashy) is a LARGE single chamber muzzle brake designed to enhance sound and flash, while reducing recoil and muzzle rise!1/2-28 thread...
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Theres also this, CFD and 3d printed inconel. Never used one but apparently its so good at reducing vertical recoil it actually pushes the muzzle down.
NERO 556, Inconel
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Caliber? Muzzle threads?
I have a used VG6 Gamma I’d let go of if you want it. Shoot me a PM if you’re interested.
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I have used keymo brakes on my 14.5.
For my 12.5 I used to run a cheap blast diverter. It makes the 12.5 bearable without a suppressor. I tried my dead air brake on the 12.5, I do not recommend using a brake on a 12.5.
All brakes are not the same and do not all create the same blast. Read that twice. The mentioned Epsilon, for example, not as loud as an M-72 or other multichamber brake, especially if it has rearward canted ports. I'd never compete without using the gas coming out of the end of the gun to give myself the same advantage everyone else has. Back when I sat on a line on a bench I hated brakes. Wrong application.
A 14.5 with a reasonable brake/comp/flash hider combo device isn't really much louder than a birdcage, and you likely wouldn't notice the difference at the range at all.
Competition guns are loud and used in outdoor areas where nobody notices.
Except the crusty RO. Who lost his hearing at the Zepplin concert back in '75 anyway. J/K Tim!
A 14.5 with a reasonable brake/comp/flash hider combo device isn't really much louder than a birdcage, and you likely wouldn't notice the difference at the range at all.
Competition guns are loud and used in outdoor areas where nobody notices.
Except the crusty RO. Who lost his hearing at the Zepplin concert back in '75 anyway. J/K Tim!
Not specifically. The Epsilon is a good example of a combo with all three. The Nox and Warcomp seem to be flash hiders with compensation ports only, but no brake ports.
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I run this one on my 7.5” 5.56…showing OOS right now.
I run the Beowulf version of this one (has 3 ports) on my 10.5” 12.7x42.
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You could also consider a linear comp…I ran one similar to this on an 11.5” 5.56 until is swapped to one of the 5050 muzzle devices.
MAS DEFENSE RIOT MUZZLE BRAKE - MELONITE NITRIDE - 1/2x28 TPI
1/2 x 28 TPI for .223 / 556 NATO - Will NOT work with 9MM. Stainless Steel - Melonite Nitride Treated. Four Top Ports control muzzle rize. Three Side Chambers reduce recoil. Contoured at end to fit crush washer. Stainless crush washer is included. 2.5' Long x .81' Wide. Weight
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I run the Beowulf version of this one (has 3 ports) on my 10.5” 12.7x42.
223 Heart Breaker Muzzle Brake
Compatible with barrels having a bore diameter of .223 or less and 1/2-28 muzzle threads. Weight: 2.9 oz. Including locking nut.
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You could also consider a linear comp…I ran one similar to this on an 11.5” 5.56 until is swapped to one of the 5050 muzzle devices.
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I'm waiting for @Tim to delete your post.I run this one on my 7.5” 5.56…showing OOS right now.
MAS DEFENSE RIOT MUZZLE BRAKE - MELONITE NITRIDE - 1/2x28 TPI
1/2 x 28 TPI for .223 / 556 NATO - Will NOT work with 9MM. Stainless Steel - Melonite Nitride Treated. Four Top Ports control muzzle rize. Three Side Chambers reduce recoil. Contoured at end to fit crush washer. Stainless crush washer is included. 2.5' Long x .81' Wide. Weightwww.masdefense.com
I run the Beowulf version of this one (has 3 ports) on my 10.5” 12.7x42.
223 Heart Breaker Muzzle Brake
Compatible with barrels having a bore diameter of .223 or less and 1/2-28 muzzle threads. Weight: 2.9 oz. Including locking nut.
You could also consider a linear comp…I ran one similar to this on an 11.5” 5.56 until is swapped to one of the 5050 muzzle devices.
.223 5.56 1/2-28 Linear Compensator Sound Forward Brake USA Made Nitride Steel | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for .223 5.56 1/2-28 Linear Compensator Sound Forward Brake USA Made Nitride Steel at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
7.5" 5.56 😂
It keeps people from bothering me while I'm try to shoot at the range...LOL
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I have the vg6 epsilon on two of my ARs. A 14.5 and a 16. They are loud but not that loud. I try not to go shoot them on a static line if I can help it but at the end of the day guns go bang...
Get suppressors taken off the NFA and I'll agree that everybody should run one.
Get suppressors taken off the NFA and I'll agree that everybody should run one.
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I’m a man of extremes. I have three ARs that have brakes…all the rest have silencers. 🤣🤣
I do have a truck gun that gets carried sometimes that has the 5050, but that was more for aesthetics. I forget about that one sometimes.
Non-suppressor mount muzzle devices are pointless. if the objective is to “tame recoil” the solution is the to tune the gas, not just blow gasses in various directions. Also an unsuppressed SBR is abnoxiously loud like upwards of 170 dB right by the shooter plus the port pop and action noise. Now let’s blast more gas laterally? There‘s a reason these setups are frequently built and almost never fired.
if I were building an un suppressed SBR, I’d absolutely be using a linear comp to push blast forward. This comes at slight expense in terms of recoil (Newton’s 3rd law), which is easily fixed with a tunable gas system.
if I were building an un suppressed SBR, I’d absolutely be using a linear comp to push blast forward. This comes at slight expense in terms of recoil (Newton’s 3rd law), which is easily fixed with a tunable gas system.
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Best way to do that is increase the number of suppressors owned.
As of 2022, there were around 2.6 million suppressors in the NFRTR. In 2022, ATF processed around 709,000 suppressor applications.
That’s a lot, but if the case for removing suppressors from the NFA ever made it to SCOTUS, the chances of a win would be much better if there were 25-30 million owned, as opposed to say, 3 or 4 million.
Nothing is a guarantee, but if we could hit that number, we might stand a pretty decent chance. The same NICS check used to purchase a firearm from a FFL is the same NICS check used to process and approve suppressors. There is absolutely no reason we should not be able to walk into a shop, buy a supppressor and walk out the door with it the same day.
“In common usage” could be easily proven with sufficient numbers and “dangerous/unusual” could be disproven based upon legal precedence from Heller…
First, the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.
Additionally, H.R. 152 was introduced in January of this year and has 65 cosponsors.
S. 401 was introduced in February of this year and has 28 cosponsors.
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All my builds are dated. I have an FSC556 and a cheap Strike King Checkmate the cheap one works better, on a lighter and shorter gun it shoots flatter.
At my range people complained about the checkmate. I brought out my Garand.
They promptly asked if I had anything more to do with the carbine.
Guns are loud, comps and brakes work, there's plenty of evals online, pick one that works and meets your weight and length needs, don't worry about the noise.
At my range people complained about the checkmate. I brought out my Garand.
They promptly asked if I had anything more to do with the carbine.
Guns are loud, comps and brakes work, there's plenty of evals online, pick one that works and meets your weight and length needs, don't worry about the noise.
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I ran a Lantac Dragon with their BMD on a 11.5 for a while. Now that I’ve got cans it needs to find another home if you are interested.
That's such an odd test. Something can't be 'in common usage' if it's not allowed to be commonly used. Such grounds basically limits us to 'arms' that already exist, it would be trivial to ban anything new since they aren't in common use and never can be because of the ban. We'll never advance beyond the smokeless powder age.