New executive order today?

GymB said:
No it didn’t.
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I was going from memory. My bad. The 10 month reduction in homicide was 36%, with firearms homicides down 41%.


I don't have the contemporaneous articles that said that felons caught with guns was down approximately 90%. I found the above in a quick search.

Granted, it's not a 90 percent reduction; only 41% in 10 months. Still, I'd take those numbers.

The reduction over time continued; the numbers weren't as dramatic because a lot of repeat offenders were incarcerated...
 
Car0linab0y said:
I was going from memory. My bad. The 10 month reduction in homicide was 36%, with firearms homicides down 41%.


I don't have the contemporaneous articles that said that felons caught with guns was down approximately 90%. I found the above in a quick search.

Granted, it's not a 90 percent reduction; only 41% in 10 months. Still, I'd take those numbers.

The reduction over time continued; the numbers weren't as dramatic because a lot of repeat offenders were incarcerated...
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Most of these programs were ended, and given what seemed to be great results I gotta wonder if there weren’t problems that never made it to the news.

Besides, I’m opposed to incarceration. Lock them up at home and let their family care for them, okay. Give them a good whipping, sounds good. Spend taxpayer funds to care for them for 5 years knowing that they’ll just do it and worse when they do get out, no thanks.
 
They were ended because they were effective; effective in removing a disproportionate number of minority criminals. There are plenty of people who agree with your position regarding incarceration. All those fine upstanding young men couldn't turn their lives around if they did 5 years in federal lockup and came out with a felony record.

They had the desired effect of reducing violent crime; but they didn't pass muster in the bleeding heart community.
 
The news from Fox’s interview with an expert on gun laws seems to think Biden is redefining who will be considered a gun dealer. He feels Biden is putting a low number of private numbers of gun transactions, ex: 4 per year. So selling off Dad’s collection in one year is a no go. He went on to say the goal is to have all sales go thru federal registry thru FFLs while redefining who is a FFL. There was also his pitch on arming the alphabet agencies with powers and red flag laws.
 
I remember some poo pooing the idea that the vague definition in the Safer Communities Act of “who is in the business” was going to come back to haunt us. Guess we are going to find out what it means now…🤨
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I have not been able to find the new definition of a gun dealer they are pushing. Anyone have info on that?
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Some articles are suggesting looking back at Obama's EO in 2016. There were discussions about using numbers of guns sold per year of, say, 25 or 50 as a threshold. I just found an article discussing the EO in which Bloomberg's group suggested 25.

"Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg founded and helps fund Everytown. He is the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, parent of Bloomberg News.

The group says individuals selling hundreds of guns per year have been able to operate online without obtaining a license and conducting background checks and called on Obama to set a threshold specifying that those who sell more than 25 gun per year were presumed to be professional arms dealers."

(FJ) Brandon will leave it up to that mastermind of legalese, Merrick Garland, to tighten the definition of who is a dealer.
 
Sure. Why not? Can't get a law to pass, just change the definitions in current legislation to fit your agenda. Sounds reasonable /s
 
1075tech said:
just change the definitions in current legislation
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Bump stocks all over again! 🙄

If they enact a number it'll be interesting to find out how they track it. My guess is that it will be another add on charge with the list of other crap they add on.

Asking to extend the undetectable firearms act is interesting. Wonder how much that has held back innovation in the industry.

constructed of 3.7 ounces of stainless steel in a shape resembling a handgun.

I have not heard of anyone getting in trouble for those 3d printed single shot handguns. I wouldn't think springs would not be enough to reach 3.7 ounces

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Radar said:
So do we now ask for a BOS when we BST here that means we are legit and legal then right? 🤣
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Nah, what it means is, that we as gun owners are creating the actual gun registration that we're always so rightfully up in arms about the government creating.
 
If they wanted to reduce gun violence then just go after Democrats and their supporters. That would not only reduce gun violence, but drug violence, gang violence, domestic violence, white collar banking crime (can you say SVB?), and just about any other illegal or criminal activity.
 
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Squanchy said:
Bump stocks all over again! 🙄

If they enact a number it'll be interesting to find out how they track it. My guess is that it will be another add on charge with the list of other crap they add on.

Asking to extend the undetectable firearms act is interesting. Wonder how much that has held back innovation in the industry.

constructed of 3.7 ounces of stainless steel in a shape resembling a handgun.

I have not heard of anyone getting in trouble for those 3d printed single shot handguns. I wouldn't think springs would not be enough to reach 3.7 ounces

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I expect them to handle it administratively. They’ll identify your online activity and send you a letter saying that your activity level appears to be that of a dealer, that you can either file to become a dealer, desist, or come explain why you are not. If you ignore them they will notify the IRS and state DOR who will then look back 3 years to see of you’ve been properly paying not justbincome tax, but also remitting sales tax. They may notify your city or county that you appear to be operating a business without a license from your home.

Their goal is to make you stop, and to do so without having to go before a judge. They will scare/bully most little folks into compliance.

For the real criminals, they guys/gals intentionally selling to prohibited persons, they aren’t likely to find that activity online. They may hope to find a few folks buying large quantities online to sell or otherwise transfer to prohibited persons, or to at least reduce the volume.

Good news is that they probably can’t get too much done before we have a shot at replacing him. Now if the Rs will kindly figure themselves out.
 
President Biden is traveling to Monterey Park to grieve with take advantage of the families....

The President’s new Executive Order to reduce gun violence includes the following additional actions, all of which fall within existing executive authority and outside of the right protected by the Second Amendment: umm....Shall not be infringed.

A large majority of Americans support background checks and agree it’s common sense to check whether someone is a felon or domestic abuser before allowing them to buy a gun. Do they? Do they really? If someone is too dangerous as a felon, why are they out in society?
Improve public awareness and increase appropriate use of extreme risk protection (“red flag”) orders and safe storage of firearms. 19 states and the District of Columbia have enacted red flag laws, allowing trusted community members to petition a court to determine whether an individual is dangerous, and then to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms. You mean those same "red flag" laws that the SC said were unconstitutional?
  • Use the Department of Defense’s acquisition of firearms to further firearm and public safety practices. The Department of Defense buys a large number of firearms and other weapons to protect and serve our country. The President is directing the Secretary of Defense to develop and implement principles to further firearm and public safety practices through Department of Defense acquisition of firearms, consistent with applicable law. What does this mean? DoD to buy all your guns?
 
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