New Wizard Targets

Got it!

...an' Billy only sprays paint once per contestant.
One benefit of my shooting ability is (wait for it)...

a can of paint lasts a very long time. :oops:
 
I can’t help but wonder what a pro with an open gun could do this in. Like Tilley.

Sure, it would make Kens head explode but that’s part of the fun.
 
I can’t help but wonder what a pro with an open gun could do this in. Like Tilley.

Sure, it would make Kens head explode but that’s part of the fun.


I would guess 2.25-2.5o seconds to clean the whole thing from a draw.
 
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In this video Mr Hackathorn is very judgemental and has strong opinions on people that choose to pocket carry small guns. He goes on to say that they are not competent. Well, I'm going to be very judgemental and I have a strong opinion towards Mr Hackathorn.
I pocket carry and know that I wouldn't be considered competent but I try to be adequate. Heck, I may not even be adequate. But, I personally know people that pocket carry small guns that are very competent. Mr Hackathorn may be a great shooter and accomplished trainer but his remarks are very arrogant and ignorant.

A bit behind the ball on catching up with this thread, but wanted to comment on this: I completely agree with you.

On one hand, I completely understand the concept of "carry a gun in which you would want in a gun fight." Meaning, larger, more capacity, easier to shoot, larger caliber or any combination there of. I would totally prefer to have my 19 round SP-01 with extra magazines over my SW 442 with a speed strip.

But, we have to face reality. To start with, I don't "Want to be in a gunfight" to begin with...and if I ever find myself in one, there is no pistol that I would prefer to have over a rifle. We all have to make choices and trade offs in what we can carry, when we can carry it, and what best suits our needs. Often what we carry is dictated by our careers, our hobbies, and the seasons.

So while I will never recommend someone carry a mouse gun over a larger gun, sometimes that's what we have, and that is what we have to fight with.
 
But, we have to face reality. To start with, I don't "Want to be in a gunfight" to begin with...and if I ever find myself in one, there is no pistol that I would prefer to have over a rifle. We all have to make choices and trade offs in what we can carry, when we can carry it, and what best suits our needs. Often what we carry is dictated by our careers, our hobbies, and the seasons.

So while I will never recommend someone carry a mouse gun over a larger gun, sometimes that's what we have, and that is what we have to fight with.

B00ger, I agree. I look at it this way, my Ruger LCPII is personal protection and anything else (bigger) is self-protection of myself and others.
 
Let's All remember @doose cleaned the old Wizard with a 32 KelTec. While it wasn't "cold" it Was impressive.

The Wizard is fairly infallible. It's difficulty is not easily conveyed.
Folks who poo poo it either haven't tried Or aren't going to. As one member said...That's so easy I don't even have to try it to know I could do it.....yep. Keep believing That.


The Wizard Drill is exactly as described. A test of skill set ( competency) with what one normally carries in a concealed manner. It is basically a really good sight acquisition & trigger skill test for a concealable handgun.
The test parameters dictate you HAVE to make a precision 6" neutralizing shot. The threat is imminent. No other option is available. Can you STOP an immediate threat? The Wizard Drill tests just that... Stoppage of an immediate threat at immediate distance(s).

Smaller sight radius "carry" guns ( Sub 5") are inherently harder to shoot. If one carries a smaller gun, it inherently takes a greater skill-set to deliver precision results than with a 5" or 6" sight radius gun. The shooter has to "work" harder to make the shot correctly. Do you practice more to overcome this variable?

The Wizard is not necessarily "alone" either.... The Wizard (threat) could be in a crowd of people all around you.
What happens when you engage and miss a Wizard Plate?? Where did the round go???? Did you just hit an innocent bystander??? If innocents get hurt, generally civil trials follow. Can one demonstrate competency for the court, or will adequate do??


Battery Oaks Blind Handgun Match will address some of this next spring. The match should provide a practical, excellent exercise for those who CCW carry and want to run their gear.
 
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It's starting to look like they Should...……..he is Still undefeated.

Does anyone have any video of anybody running this drill on your set up?

I appreciated the KH vid posted earlier, but I would like to see your target used.
 
We do not, sorry. Do you have a question that I could help with?

I guess what I'm curious of is the three separate "heads" on yours, where in the YouTube video, he's shooting the same one.

Would yours be a separate head at each distance? Or, are you encouraged to utilize one head until the drill is over? Or is it shooter's choice?

That's what I'm struggling to get here.
 
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I guess what I'm curious of is the three separate "heads" on yours, where in the YouTube video, he's shooting the same one.

Would yours be a separate head at each distance? Or, are you encouraged to utilize one head until the drill is over? Or is it shooter's choice?

That's what I'm struggling to get here.
The heads fall, like on a plate rack.
Even though you can see your holes at these distances. Falling steel let's everyone know.
 
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. The problem Good shooters are having is "COLD". First try before Any other shooting. After the first try, all Other tries are just practice. That is to say, if you fail on your first try it doesn't matter what you do after that. All else is just familiarization.
Still nobody has done it "cold" or not cold. I am going to shoot it today with a .22. I Think I can recover at 10 yards fast enough with a .22. However, it won't mean Anything....I don't carry a .22. Now following KH's basis for the Wizard, If I am successful with the .22, that should be what I carry. While I, on the other hand will simply be playing into the "game" aspect to beat the Wizard.
If I succeed with the .22, it will only show me what parameters I need to improve on. Every time I have shot it I have shot it with Ruger LW Commander with 230 Ball. With that platform I haven't been able to get the hits needed in the time allowed at 10 yards.
I Think the absence of the surrounding target is throwing everybody off. That is a good thing.
The 3 falling heads is not complicated. You shoot it as if it was 1. That way you can run any number of "COLD" folks through without taping or painting. Just stand them up and call the next "Cold Shooter".

I think sometimes when shooting steel people wait to see it fall or wait to here the ping before moving the target. Similar to the way people look over their sights looking for holes when they shoot paper. Sometimes that slight hesitation is enough to slow you down. To me when shooting the wizard at 10 yards you have to rely on a good draw and presentation and just let it rip. Not that I think I would pass this steel version of the Wizard. I don't always pass the paper version.
 
When I'm on the timer, I draw. clear and my first shot is about 1.8 ish at any ranges. Second shot is about a .2 split but I'm just doing a flash sight picture on the double tap. Gun is either a G19 or G17 with 124gr M882 ball. Not shooting steel but a standard ISPC target. I do have some 6" plates I can set up on a 2x4 for the three close targets. Just be sure to wear eye pro for lead splatter.

CD
 
Well, I don't know how I missed this thread until now! I clearly am intimidated by Billy's Wizard -- or, more accurately, by the comments by @BatteryOaksBilly , @Combat Diver , and others about the difficulty of the course of fire. I know I am not in a league with the real shooters (and probably never have been), but I do know a few things about stress under fire. I look forward to failing the Wizard with good grace and -- I hope -- good form. :)
 
Just looked at the KH video for the 100th damn time. I have understood from the start that on his scoring system you can have a round OFF at 10 and still pass IF you are under 2.50. Since this is His drill we will score it that way. Still nobody here has passed. I'm thinking along @wvsig and his line of thought, maybe One aimed quick center as close as possible and then let one go to stop the clock. I fully realize, this goes against the "spirit" of the exercise but this damn thing is whippin me.

By the way, does your version require a one-handed shot on the first plate at 3 yds? Is your shooting requirement the same as his across the board (other than that he starts you out facing the target and with yours you're seated and facing away, correct?)?
 
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By the way, does your version require a one-handed shot on the first plate at 3 yds? Is your shooting requirement the same as his across the board (other than that he starts you out facing the target and with yours you're seated and facing away, correct?)?
When I was there, it’s run the same way. Every stage starts standing and concealed, facing the target.

Billy has a contest set up where you’ll be seated, but the Wizard is the Wizard.
 
Words to live by:
"The only competent shot you can make that will stop the fight instantly has gotta be in the brain box."
^ P1 ( i.e. "Placement")

("Penetration" being P2)
 
At the 2nd Batteryoaks meet up I say everyone that trys throws in 10 bucks. At the end of the day the money is split to any person or persons that do it. If not the money can be donate to @BatteryOaksBilly fir hosting his event.
 
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