NJSP: Enforce Magazine Ban, “We do not discuss enforcement strategies.”

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On December 11, 2018, Breitbart News reported on our correspondence with the New Jersey State Police (NJSP), learning that they would not rule out going house-to-house, or door-to-door, to enforce the new “high-capacity” magazine ban.
New Jersey’s new ban, which took effect during the midnight hour of Tuesday, December 11, makes it a felony to possess a magazine holding more than ten rounds.

We asked the NJSP if they would be enforcing this ban on a traffic stop-basis — checking magazines in firearms when they pulled over drivers for speeding, reckless driving, etc. — or whether they would enforce it by going to house-to-house to check the capacity of magazines owned by New Jersey residents.

Rather than ruling that option out, they responded: “We do not discuss enforcement strategies.”


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...s-to-go-door-to-door-to-enforce-magazine-ban/

So, the following should be OK because it is a "Back-Pack."

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Wow, do these guys remind you of anybody?
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They start going door-to-door and that's probably going to have unintended consequences.
 
SPM said:
If they decide upon this course of action, may the sound of bagpipes fill the New Jersey air day and night and may there be many widows and orphans.
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So, you're calling for the killing of LE officers? Nice. You actually think that these guys have time to go door to door to check mag capacities?
I would think a man of your convictions would be mounting up and heading to NJ to start your revolution.
 
The NJ Stasi need a lesson on the fact that they put their pants on one leg at a time too.
 
SPST said:
So, you're calling for the killing of LE officers?
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What would you recommend then for dealing with them when they become tyrannical thugs? Putting on that stupid badge doesn’t make you a good guy. Just because some politico has declared it “law” doesn’t mean it’s worth crap, let alone right. Work within the govt. system? Oh please, if it worked they wouldn’t be where they are? As long as “they” think that the response will always be peaceful, they’ll never stop to think twice.
 
noway2 said:
What would you recommend then for dealing with them when they become tyrannical thugs? Putting on that stupid badge doesn’t make you a good guy. Just because some politico has declared it “law” doesn’t mean it’s worth crap, let alone right. Work within the govt. system? Oh please, if it worked they wouldn’t be where they are? As long as “they” think that the response will always be peaceful, they’ll never stop to think twice.
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You mounting up and going with him or just going to be another keyboard commando?
 
SPST said:
You mounting up and going with him or just going to be another keyboard commando?
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I don't think we're quite there yet, or at least I hope not, but I do think we're on a dangerous precipice. To the best of my knowledge, never before in this country (or perhaps with the exception of when the Regressive King FDR pulled it with gold) have we gone down the path of making people who possessed a rightfully purchased item an after the fact felon and demand confiscation of said property.

Likewise, I am also sure that Germany didn't become the nightmare nation it was overnight. The process was incremental and one of their big hallmark turning points was their gun confiscation and gun laws in the name of safety.

Slappy McTrigger said:
Move.

ETA: and take my tax dollars with me.
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For some that may be an option. For others it may not. They could have family, and other obligations, and they could be tied to a job and in debt up to their eyeballs. Also, the entire state is being controlled by the cities. NJ has a large amount of rural, agricultural land too and I bet the people there, who are seriously outnumbered by the cities are horrified by this too.

I do think that as a State WE should be condemning this act and demanding that it be repealed and that Congress and the courts take action. However, if all peaceful avenues fail, and the choice becomes acceptance of tyrrany or fighting, the choice should be obvious unless you're a collaborator.
 
How many of you guys are storming the steps of the Capital in Raleigh demanding our restrictions like CHP, PPP, gun free zones, etc be lifted? Hell, GRNC can't even get 10 of you to show up to their stuff.
 
"NJSP contacted Breitbart News on the night of December 11, offering a second statement which went further than the first. They said: “While we do not discuss our enforcement strategies, there are no plans to go door-to-door to enforce this current ban.”
 
SPST said:
So, you're calling for the killing of LE officers? Nice. You actually think that these guys have time to go door to door to check mag capacities?
I would think a man of your convictions would be mounting up and heading to NJ to start your revolution.
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If they are going to go door to door to violate the Rights of Free Men (or if they refuse to unequivocally rule it out), then they are not worthy of respect and deserve to be treated as traitors. Unfortunately, the only language the State and those working for it understand is violence.

Further, New Jersey's problems are not my problems, as I do not live there, nor do I travel there. But if the people there start stacking Blue bodies for kicking in doors to violate the unalienable and natural Rights of New Jerseyans, I will certainly think it completely justified.

But cops would never, ever do this sort of systemic, widespread abuse, right? So no need to worry about muh Heroes(TM).
 
SPM said:
If they are going to go door to door to violate the Rights of Free Men (or if they refuse to unequivocally rule it out), then they are not worthy of respect and deserve to be treated as traitors. Unfortunately, the only language the State and those working for it understand is violence.

Further, New Jersey's problems are not my problems, as I do not live there, nor do I travel there. But if the people there start stacking Blue bodies for kicking in doors to violate the unalienable and natural Rights of New Jerseyans, I will certainly think it completely justified.

But cops would never, ever do this sort of systemic, widespread abuse, right? So no need to worry about muh Heroes(TM).
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First they came for NJ but I do not live there. Is that how the Founding Fathers did it?
 
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The politicians are out of control. But then again, they were elected by their constituency.
Look at our state. We can't get permit less carry passed.
Here in Fayetteville some idiot councilman wants to ban the blowing of train whistles downtown.
I hate it for the folks in NJ, but you're getting what you voted for.
As for the cops, they're folks just like us. They have mortgages, families to support, bills to pay.
They might not agree with the law, but they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.
 
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SPST said:
First they came for NJ but I do not live there.
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:rolleyes:

There's a process to things, one of which is a significant portion of public sentiment. I realize in your heart of hearts you want Liberty minded folks to go off half-cocked so the Thin Blue Line can show us what-for, but unlike them, violence is not the first avenue pursued.

I recommend reading the book 1775: A Good Year for Revolution. There is a process, sometimes tedious, for dealing with a systematic design to reduce a Free People to servitude.

And that's what's going on. Your familial blinders simply don't allow you to see it.
 
SPM said:
:rolleyes:

There's a process to things, one of which is a significant portion of public sentiment. I realize in your heart of hearts you want Liberty minded folks to go off half-cocked so the Thin Blue Line can show us what-for, but unlike them, violence is not the first avenue pursued.

I recommend reading the book 1775: A Good Year for Revolution. There is a process, sometimes tedious, for dealing with a systematic design to reduce a Free People to servitude.

And that's what's going on. Your familial blinders simply don't allow you to see it.
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Yeah right. All cops are going to do it. How come they aren't doing it now? Why do you see some Sheriff's and Chiefs saying that they will not comply?
 
"To the best of my knowledge, never before in this country (or perhaps with the exception of when the Regressive King FDR pulled it with gold) have we gone down the path of making people who possessed a rightfully purchased item an after the fact felon and demand confiscation of said property. "

Bump stock?
 
SPM said:
Further, New Jersey's problems are not my problems, as I do not live there, nor do I travel there. But if the people there start stacking Blue bodies for kicking in doors to violate the unalienable and natural Rights of New Jerseyans, I will certainly think it completely justified.
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It is our problem for two reasons. One, if it isn’t stopped in these sh!thole states it will eventually find its way here. Two, we are supposed to be a nation of certain principles, chief among them being the 2nd-A and these tyrants playing the “I don’t hear you, I don’t care” game by claiming their actions aren’t a violation is just that, a game.

On the flip side, just like going into Iraq and knocking over their dictator didn’t cause them to rise up and become good little republicrats and demicans, until such time as the people of Jersey-Stan act it would be futile for us to do so, but once they do we should find ways to support them and even fight with them for a just cause.
 
SPST said:
Yeah right. All cops are going to do it. How come they aren't doing it now? Why do you see some Sheriff's and Chiefs saying that they will not comply?
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They do, only right now it's a plant. The plant doesn't shoot back, and the plant is winning.

I find it fascinating those who think LE will suddenly find a moral compass when the object of their employer's prohibition changes.

It won't.
 
SPM said:
They do, only right now it's a plant. The plant doesn't shoot back, and the plant is winning.

I find it fascinating those who think LE will suddenly find a moral compass when the object of their employer's prohibition changes.

It won't.
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I guess you are psychic?
 
noway2 said:
On the flip side, just like going into Iraq and knocking over their dictator didn’t cause them to rise up and become good little republicrats and demicans, until such time as the people of Jersey-Stan act it would be futile for us to do so, but once they do we should find ways to support them and even fight with them for a just cause.
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That is when it becomes our problem. When the people of New Jersey (like Massachusetts men in another time) begin actively resisting their oppressors.

Treating it as our problem before New Jerseyans decide it's a problem is premature and futile.
 
Why are you all mad at the police for basically saying "no comment". They didn't make this ridiculous law. Let's be mad at the NJ legislature who has doubled down on making draconian laws for their authoritarian state.
 
Catfish said:
Why are you all mad at the police for basically saying "no comment". They didn't make this ridiculous law. Let's be mad at the NJ legislature who has doubled down on making draconian laws for their authoritarian state.
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Simple. All of the greatest atrocities in human history were not the results of the actions of a single dictator or a few hundred bodied legislature.

They occurred because of the tens of thousands of ordinary people who were "just doing their jobs" and enforcing the bidding of those dictators and legislatures.

Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews and a few million more others.

Nor did Stalin kill tens of millions of people.

Tens of thousands of "ordinary" Germans and Soviets who were given authority over the People did.

That's why the order followers always have greater culpability than the order giver.
 
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SPM said:
Nope. Merely someone who bases his judgements on history, empirical data and observation rather than emotional bonds to authority.
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"We train to fight the last war." (basing judgment on history).....

I don't disagree with your assertions, but pro-2A (pro-any "A") needs to find new tactics. NJSP comes to your home and knocks down the door, we know you will shoot, we know you may hit one of them, we know you will likely die. How's that headline go? Yeah, we've all seen it.... @SPST point, I agree as well.... but right now people see it as an either/or, bipolar tactics. You never win with bipolar tactics.
 
They're not going door to door, that's dumb and pretty much not possible. See the "war on drugs" or illegals or any other thing they ban or declare not allowed except for the .gov / elites. They'll just do it over time.

As a bonus they'll have another thing to throw at people when they want to take someone down. Isn't that the end goal of a police state, to make sure everyone is a criminal?
 
California's magazine confiscation law was overturned in Federal court due to confiscation without compensation. Why doesn't this apply to NJ?

NJ won't have to go door-to-door. Just establish an 800 number for call-ins to report a suspicion that someone has 'illegal' magazines. Add a bonus if anything is found and the police will have more reports of potential magazine felons than they will be able to handle. Anyone with a beef with a neighbor, disgruntled co-worker, ex-spouse, or ideologically motivated acquaintance will be calling in.
 
@SPM it sounds like you are condemning them for unrelated things that other people did. You are usually better at arguing then that...
 
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@SPM it sounds like you are condemning them for unrelated things that other people did. You are usually better at arguing then that...
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No, I am saying that human history shows it's the policy enforcers who actually commit the atrocities rather than the policy creators, that American cops are not made of finer clay than the rest of humanity, and there is no law so trivial that they won't murder you if you resist its enforcement.

Thems just the facts.
 
Chuckman said:
"We train to fight the last war." (basing judgment on history).....
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"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past."
 
SPM said:
"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past."
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This quote makes me think Mr. Henry suffered from a lack of imagination.
 
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Catfish said:
This quote makes me think Mr. Henry suffered from a lack of imagination.
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Was Mr Henry right or wrong in his assessment of the intentions of King and country with regards to bringing British Americans to heel?

Imagination does not change human nature, merely the conditions under which human nature plays out.
 
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Slappy McTrigger said:
Move.

ETA: and take my tax dollars with me.
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No. Because that fills the South with more Jersey type groupthinkers who disagree, but bring the same BS with them down here. NO just like illegal Guatamalan refugees, STAY where you're at and fight, brave New Jerseyites.
 
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