I have a feeling this will be a case where they will not go door to door or anything crazy, but it >will< be an add on charge when you are busted for something else.
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But we have assurances that the police will not add that on as a charge since they are pro gun.
This is what these laws always are.
You're out in the woods plinking with your buddies, old lady 1/2 mile away calls cops, Deputy shows up and you got a bunch of 30rd pmags...one of them has #17 written on the bottom.
Now it goes from a simple disturbing the peace call into a full blown felony shakedown. Call for 3 more cars, arrest everybody, confiscate all the guns, tow all the vehicles, set bail at $12,500.
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So a cop perceiving someone to be a jerk could make them override any morals they have and slap someone with an extra charge? That feels very dirty and lacking in morals.
No, but it shows that we're not a nation of laws, but of men. Either you did something, or you did not. Hoping that your attitude meshes with the crown's soldier that day is not exactly a comforting way to go about things.
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@Jayne covered it for me. That is an abuse of power. When I’m at work I have to treat everyone the exact same due to precedents thatbget set.
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I never said that, but I’m any other profession not treating everyone equally is a good way to get an HR inspection performed on you. If found true, it’s a high probability you will lose your job. We are a nation of laws or not.
We all get it. You have a son and family that are LEOs so you feel the need to defend them at every turn. You clearly feel that it is ok for a LEO to throw extra charges at someone just because they feel disrespected.
If giving someone a break is an option, how in the world is what they did an actual crime?
And that, in and of itself, strikes at the heart of the issue.
If playing nice with police may get them to overlook a "crime," I find it terribly difficult to dream up a scenario where enforcing that law via the threat is of violence up to and including death has any moral standing.
Given, then, it's lack of moral standing, how can you then justify kidnapping, caging, extorting, maiming, or killing a person who objects to such arbitrary and immoral law being forced upon them?
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What this has just done is given these people a serious incentive to make sure "officer friendly" doesn't even get to make the call for backup. If you're going to make people into felons, you should expect some people to live up to it.
Never said that. I said if you act like an ass, you may get some more legal charges brought against you. If you act with respect, most LE will overlook your 14 round illegal mag.
yes.
arbitrarily deciding who is and is not subject to the law is exactly the opposite of equal treatment under the law.
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So the law isn’t applied fairly? You are making the police sound even worse by saying if they don’t get the respect they are due, then they will slap extra charges against you. That is a terrible thing, especially if they are supposedly on our side on all of these gun laws. What if the officer, excuse me, LEO(learned that from a sergeant losing his mind over me not knowing his rank), is not giving his fellow citizens the respect they are due? Respect is a two way street.
And somebody has to go first.
Not necessarily. I know a cop that pulled a young soldier for speeding. The soldier was acting quite nervous and the cop asked him why. The soldier told him because he had a Glock with a 16 round mag and he was going to be in big trouble with his CO. The cop said, "I don't care how many rounds your Glock has." They talked a few minutes more and the soldier was on his way. This happened in a state with a 10 round mag limit.
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I didn't really need a reason never to go to Jersey again. But now I have another reason to add to my list.
laws were not meant to be subjective, but they are and always have been and always will be.
I''m just glad I don't live in Jersey.
laws were not meant to be subjective, but they are and always have been and always will be.
I''m just glad I don't live in Jersey.
It's BBQ is shtola. Low Country SC BBQ is actually a pig cooked IN Vinegar based BBQ sauce. But seriously, I think each person needs to decide how far they are willing to go and how much they are willing to take. All revolutions begin with no one wanting to participate, yet they happen all the time.There are many exceptions. Hell, I’ve lived in NY, NJ and CA! I should be the devil incarnate, but I’d like to think I support NC’s traditional values pretty well. Even if the b’cue is overrated.
Someone mention if they were sitting around like this in 1774-75 talking about how the brits were going to limit the number of balls and caps you could carry. They were doing exactly this kind of thing. Not that all discussion on CFF become revolutions.
I know they didn't have caps, that was trigger line heh heh
I was born and raised in Boston.
Moved here 17 years ago.
My wife and daughters visit Boston about every other year.
I havent been there in about 12 years.
People ask me why I don't go to visit.
'I don't go to states I can't carry a gun'.
Simple enough.
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Have 2 sweet older friends that moved from Jersey City area probably 25 years ago. They overbought into a Mcmansion around 2006 and then took a loss selling it during the recession. She has actually worked with me for more than a decade.
They are against anyone owning firearms for home protection, self defense, etc. I explain how that it's actually taking responsibility for one's self versus hopelessly depending on government to provide protection. I explained how the SCOTUS has ruled that police have no duty to protect individuals, and they're usually there after the fact.
Completely and utter waste of time. They're hopeless pollyanna types that believe if you take guns away, crime goes away. And they have plenty of examples to the contrary like Camden Newark and other shthole cities in NJ that were once decent places before going totally socialist
They were actually talking a lot like this from 1766-1773/4. During that time, Americans of a Liberty mindset had infiltrated, revitalized and took over the colonial militias, set up extra-legal committees for local governance, requisition of supplies, communication and coordination, and the suppression of Tories.
By late 1774 and into '75, a rage militaire had consumed a large part of the colonies such that a large portion of Americans felt war was not only inevitable, but we're itching for a fight.
The key leaders in the Revolution - Washington, Jefferson and John Adams - also spoke at great lengths of a conscious conspiracy to destroy the English constitution and the destruction of their Rights as Englishman (it bears mentioning that subjects of the British Empire were more free than most other peoples of the world in the 17th Century, yet they were conpletely intolerant of nascent tyranny).
There's a build up period for things to go from discontent, to hopelessness, to anger, to rage, to violence.
I figure now is analogous to 1769ish as far as mood, temper, and the trajectory of things.
I think Trump wins re-election IF the economy stays stable. 2024, dems take the house, senate and the presidency. The final push of all Draconian laws they have always wanted is done due to the fact most are in their 70's & 80's and they need to s@#t or get off the pot.
How many arrests for +10 mags has anyone heard about on this forum or others? There have been mag limits in several states. I don't see a whole lot of stories where the cops are actively enforcing these limits. Not saying that nobody is getting charged but you sure don't hear about it.
A quick Google search pulls up a quite number of them. As was mentioned up stream, the High-Cap charges are almost always tacked on to other charges. We don't hear a lot about it because we live in a state where its not an issue and we generally don't follow the local crime reports from all over the country. We here have also had multiple discussions bout cases where people accidentally cross state lines and get caught with things that are perfectly legal at their homes, yet get them thrown in jail where they are found. The "I don't hear about it" defense is on line with the "I didn't know it was loaded" defense.
"As the investigation progressed the officers seized several firearms from the home for safe keeping,” Nielsen said. “That included the assault riffle and the three high capacity magazine he did not have registered.” "
Another one rom CO.
"Northern Colorado authorities have charged a 29-year-old with illegal possession of a high-capacity magazine, making use of a controversial law for the first time.
"Police searched the building and found a shotgun, .22 caliber rifle, a magazine containing 29 rounds, a drum magazine containing 70 rounds of ammunition and more than 900 rounds of additional ammunition. Police said both magazines are prohibited to posses under state law, and are only legal if owned before the ban and registered to the owner."
Traffic stop leads to: "The firearms in the vehicle were as follows;As a result of the traffic stop the driver and sole occupant of the vehicle, Edward Loranger (age 49) of Fortuna was found to be in possession of several illegal firearms. In the vehicle, Loranger possessed six illegal unserialized/unregistered firearms and several loaded and unloaded high capacity magazines."
"As the investigation progressed the officers seized several firearms from the home for safe keeping,” Nielsen said. “That included the assault riffle and the three high capacity magazine he did not have registered.” "
Another one rom CO.
"Northern Colorado authorities have charged a 29-year-old with illegal possession of a high-capacity magazine, making use of a controversial law for the first time.
"Police searched the building and found a shotgun, .22 caliber rifle, a magazine containing 29 rounds, a drum magazine containing 70 rounds of ammunition and more than 900 rounds of additional ammunition. Police said both magazines are prohibited to posses under state law, and are only legal if owned before the ban and registered to the owner."
Traffic stop leads to: "The firearms in the vehicle were as follows;As a result of the traffic stop the driver and sole occupant of the vehicle, Edward Loranger (age 49) of Fortuna was found to be in possession of several illegal firearms. In the vehicle, Loranger possessed six illegal unserialized/unregistered firearms and several loaded and unloaded high capacity magazines."
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/cr...uns-while-target-shooting-hillburn/767713002/
https://fox61.com/2018/11/21/southi...harges-after-a-tip-about-an-illegal-gun-sale/
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/41/4110.asp
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/spart...anklin-borough-police-firearm-+-high-capacity
https://www.facebook.com/NewJerseyS...y-nj-on-sunday-january-12-tr/603987716322441/
https://6abc.com/police-arrest-man-...erous-firearms-and-drugs-in-galloway/2841832/
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com...cle_0ae2ce89-30ae-5167-aa3f-7d1aa46e4426.html
https://mountpleasant.dailyvoice.co...ed-after-shots-fired-in-hudson-valley/739562/
You hear about it if you are listening.
There are far more than what is readily available by simply using google. I think there is one or two of the above where the magazines were a tack on.
But as mentioned earlier in the thread, this is how they will get you...you go target shooting and people will call, you get pulled over, the cops come to your house for a variety of reasons (including specifically getting ratted out for guns) and if they are able to catch you with anything gun related that they can charge you with they will. truth be told, as long as cops can have guns, most cops don't care or many prefer you don't have yours.
You are foolish/naive if you think we can count on cops when it comes to our firearms rights.
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Wherever I hear the phrase "registered guns" or "registered magazines" it makes my skin crawl and I get a twitch.
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