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"No Open Carry"

Discussion in 'Firearms News and Views' started by random, Dec 8, 2019.

  1. random

    random Active Member

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    Hit my local Carlie C's today & saw a new sign. Looked like the typical gunbuster but then I saw it said "No open carry", in slightly smaller print "Openly displayed weapons prohibited"

    Never seen one like this before. With that phrasing, they're still CLEARLY allowing CC. Seems to me a way to placate the folk who freak out if they see a G-U-N without becoming a full-on gun-free zone.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. 9outof10mms

    9outof10mms Purveyor of Professional Enginerding Supporting Member

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    If there was ever a “compromise” to be made, I could find that one palatable.
     
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  3. Jim1392

    Jim1392 Whatevuh Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I don't open carry, and I'm not a fan of it but I'm guessing that like you said they are placating the people who complain if they see someone open carrying. But the upside is they aren't just stopping all carrying on the premises. Also who knows what happened to start this policy.
     
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    bigfelipe Phil-osopher... Charter Life Member

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    I'm ok with it. Private property. Private rules. And better yet they don't affect my right to self defense...

    Fair measures...
     
  5. HMP

    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Private place, yeah?
    Sure, whatever.
    I dont know the establishment, but I dont see an issue, though Im sure some will.
     
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    Kinda agree with most, as it would seem placating. My issue is, I'm tired of giving up rights to placate others. Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Open the door just a crack, they'll kick it in, kill your dog and wife, and put you in jail. I'm pro 2a, pro police, and pro America! I am not an open carry person, unless I'm heading to the woods to burn some powder, but it doesn't bother me one iota to see someone open carrying. I was heading today, to meet up with friends, and ring some steel in the woods. I was 1 mile from the turnoff, when I got a text to stop and get them a drink. I stopped in a local store, and was the only customer. I walked to the cooler, with my P239 hanging in an old Swiss duty holster. Once I was walking toward the counter, I realized she was staring at my sidearm. I smiled, tried to look unassuming (which is difficult for a tall, rotund guy) and started pulling out my wallet. She finally made eye contact, I paid, and walked out. I can see where it COULD be scary, but, if I were in her place, in a store just next to NC gamelands, I would expect to see firearms every day. After talking to other guys in the group, I found out she and her husband recently moved from NY and bought the store. They definitely decided to buy the wrong quickeemart, if they are afraid of guns. This store is in the middle of nowhere, is the only store in a small, fringe, community, and borders the gamelands.

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  7. MacEntyre

    MacEntyre Shoot on Sight! Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Starbucks was the first nationwide to ask that folks not carry openly, remember?
     
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  8. OutLore

    OutLore I'm a Brit.

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    Didn't they originally go for the full "no gun" policy then walk it back? I know I haven't been in there since they started down that path, once you stop going there you realize there are way better options almost everywhere.
     
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    For a bunch of guys that yell and scream about rights I find it wildly interesting to watch you guys put the right or OC in NC beneath and second class to the privilege of CC. I think it's short sighted. And yes, they have the right too. And I have the right to opine about it. Personally, I'd re consider my choice to do business with them. As much as possible I try to limit the money I spend at places that don't appreciate my right to carry.
     
  10. GoWolfpack

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    Yeah, we're all for freedom to do things exactly the same as we do.

    Internet hypocrisy is nothing new here. It's better here than in a lot of other places.

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  11. SDIVER2006

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    The CarlieC here in Fayetteville has been that way for 1+ or so .. usually don’t care because I seldom open carry at all.. only from the car to the door, as it tends to keep the parking lot gremlins away.
    Sprouts Grocery stores are no weapons allowed
     
  12. Geezer

    Geezer Mama Tried Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    Here in SC we don't have open carry. I wouldn't open carry if we did. But, I'd still want anyone that wanted to open carry to still be able to do so.
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    This isnt an infringement on rights, it's their personal property, the 2nd amendment is protection from the gov.
    Call me a hypocrite if you'd like.

    I dont even know what a Charlie C's is, never been to one, but I dont see an issue with them asking folks not to OC.
     
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  14. premise

    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    Just playing devil's advocate here, but if their open to the public business wanted to extend their private property rights to a sign that said "No blacks or queers unless face is covered" do you believe we would find out just how private their property is?
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    I see your point ,but that would be breaking the Civil Rights Act of 68, yes?
     
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    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    So you're saying it really isn't private property at all, because one of the main tenants of private property is being able to refuse admittance to anybody for any reason.
     
  17. MacEntyre

    MacEntyre Shoot on Sight! Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Premise makes the point that really is the elephant in the room. Private Property has all but disappeared in the US, for various reasons. Without it, we really have nothing much left.
     
  18. MacEntyre

    MacEntyre Shoot on Sight! Charter Member Supporting Member

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    No, I thought they were pressured to do that, and did not want to. They said that local laws were good enough for them. To cool down the crisis, they took out a full page ad in the NYT asking gun owners to back off from OC in their stores. They have no signs, and no policies.

    But most of their product is overpriced and not the best tasting, jus' sayin'...
     
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  19. MostWanted

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    When I try to see it from the owner's perspective, I think it would be wrong for .gov to set my gun policy for me--I should be able to do that. Telling me I have to allow them is as much an infringement on my private property rights as telling me I can't allow them. I know of a private Christian school where the principal and many of the parents are very pro-2A, and they want to arm the staff, but state law makes it a felony.
     
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    MostWanted I used to be JustInCase

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    The Carlie C's in Angier and the one on Capital Blvd in Raleigh both used to be total gunbuster. I don't know if it was the whole chain. Moving to CC only would be an improvement.

    Kroger was one of several corporations that recently banned OC nationwide, along with Wal-Mart. We don't have those around here any more, but they own Harris Teeter and I haven't seen any signs at HT or Wal-Mart.
     
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    I guess I’d always thought that there would be an exception for those on the payroll where being armed was part of the deal. The school could add that to the duties of the staff, and they’d be considered private security.

    Is it only for state-approved LEO, and security that has a certain license/qualification?
     
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    MostWanted I used to be JustInCase

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    I expect that they would have to be sworn LEO to make it legal, BLET graduates with continuing education requirements and all that. School could set up a private police force, like Elon and Campbell Universities, but that's way beyond what a small Christian school could afford.
     
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  23. DrPhudd

    DrPhudd Joe thinks I'm clever

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    Private property?
    If I have to pay to keep the kings men from taking it or ask them for permission to do as I please on it... is it really mine?
     
  24. JimB

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    Even if you characterize their ownership as being a lease from the king, they should still get to make the rules.

    As for the civil rights act, I think it was a necessary infringement because of pervasive racism, but I’m coming around to the idea that it’s time to repeal it and let competition take over. If a business doesn’t want to serve someone, there will generally be another that will, it wasn’t that way 50 years ago. Maybe suspend it for 5 years and see what happens.
     
  25. MacEntyre

    MacEntyre Shoot on Sight! Charter Member Supporting Member

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    They made the Civil Right Act, and since then PC activists have done all the things that make the law unnecessary.

    Well, except for using the courts.
     
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    yes they have the right and i have the right to not darken their doorstep. but it don;t matter as i don't even know what a charlie c's is lol
     
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    It's one of the last IGA grocery stores around here...
     
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    ^^^^ Yes.^^^^
     
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  29. dkmatthews

    dkmatthews Active Member Life Member

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    About 7-8 years ago, I was fervently practicing OC and carrying trifold pamphlets from OCDO on the NC statutes to educate people in the community who wanted to talk to me about it. I agree with you that it's frustrating that the CC community looks down on the OC folks, just like many here refer to others as FUDDs.

    If we're judging our neighbor for how he/she exercises their 2A rights, then we're not helping our larger cause. We all need to be mindful of how our words and actions are perceived by the general population, but also genuinely united in the front we present so that there are no appearances of splintering or dissension within our ranks.

    "... shall not be infringed..." and all that stuff applies to all of us, as long as we aren't infringing upon the rights of others.
     
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    We have been rewarded here with all things inside The Gates being debt free. This all from hard work. I Never think for 1 minute it is "ours". It Ain't...……….sad
     
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    A lot of the usual argument here "NO infringement, I'm going to OC"

    There is principle, and there is practical. Are you willing to push the fight even farther in defense of your principles, or do you prefer to be practical and shore up our current position before pushing back?

    I get it, completely, even if you think I don't. I don't like giving up anything, but I also realize that you have to fight battles strategically, and pushing in a direction that is going to get even more people against you is not a fight I think is worth fighting. I don't think more open carry is a viable strategy toward keeping our rights in the current climate.

    Or maybe it is. Push the envelope so far so fast that the system breaks.

    Still watching Virginia...
     
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    The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Period.

    The government has no right to restrict this freedom.

    Private property is different.

    If you don’t want my gun in your business than you lose my money too.

    But I will never diminish my second rights just because guns make you feel uneasy.
     
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    I am in a weird place on open carry. I think we should all be able to do it, but the only people I ever see carrying openly outside of a range are the most cringey people ever.
     
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    Used to do the same thing. Still OC on occasion out fo convenience. With some health issues and wrangling kids while I was out I got away from it.


    I had one single negative interaction while I was OC'ing. I had lots of very positive interactions with people in regards to laws, guns, where to shoot, where to get training, etc. But mostly, people didn't notice or didn't care. And I am seeing it more now around Hickory.
     
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    The reason the antis are currently pushing hard against OC is because if enough people are doing it and nothing much happens it flies in the face of their narrative gun=danger. At some point people will realize that the guy at the checkout lane OCing did not shoot anybody, repeat that often enough and it could make a difference.

    I don't presently OC either but we are clearly being split into camps here to make it easier to be defeated.

    Just because I don't own or do this thing or that thing does not mean I support restricting it.
     
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    Waiting for someone to call me anti 2a because I’ll still will eat thier fried Pork chops and 7 layered chocolate cake.
     
  37. 9outof10mms

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    You guys preaching about rights and infringement--no disrespect meant--put up or shut up. We're so "infringed" that it's time to march...I won't deny that one bit.

    But if we're not going to march, then you gotta figure out a way to live with others. Simply taking your money elsewhere is a fine temper tantrum and all, but it doesn't do anything but make your life more difficult and give them a sense of winning.

    I have little faith that we'll be able to work out many, if any, compromises that make both sides non-combatant. Humans are incapable to handling such a delicate and mature item without abusing it (i.e. neither side will be truly at peace with the compromise and will always be plotting to subvert it). So the argument circles back...march or get the hell off the pot.

    But don't sit here and kick the closest thing you've got to social family, other gun guys.
     
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    9outof10mms Purveyor of Professional Enginerding Supporting Member

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    This makes logical sense, but those who're entrenched on the anti side are not logical--they're hysterical most of the time. If the sight of a graham cracker chewed into the shape of a gun is enough to get a kid in trouble, the sight of a real gun holstered and a few feet away from them is likely enough to cause heart palpitations.
     
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    I'll say it again...
    If we beat each other up over differences of opinion between OC and CC, we're no different than the people who say "I support the 2A for hunting with my shotgun and don't see why anyone needs a scary black rifle." It's also the same thing as when artists stretch the boundaries of 1A in the name of "art" and "free speech", daring the public and law enforcement to shut them down. If you don't remember, read up on Mapplethorpe.
    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=robert+mapplethorpe+obscenity+trial
     
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    Fair point.