Non electronic sight options

This is like talking with my wife. As soon as i choose a path that was recommended an alternate personality pops out a turd. Must be some ar15.com dna in here. :) But. Thanks fellas. It was helpful and I'm out here and ill find works for me.
 
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Sharps40 said:
This is like talking with my wife. As soon as i choose a path that was recommended an alternate personality pops out a turd. Must be some ar15.com dna in here. :) But. Thanks fellas. It was helpful and I'm out here and ill find works for me.
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I think that particular turd has been in the punch bowl for a while, you’ve just been drinking around it.
Best of luck!
 
Sharps40 said:
Vortex and primary arms have batteries so off the table.

I'll check eye releaf on the rail and see if monstrous may work. Looks fully mechanical but ant 1x. 1.5 might not be bad though
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You’re tracking that that Primary Prism he linked while it does take batteries it doesn’t NEED batteries to work. It’s an etched reticle, so even if your battery dies (and they have a 5yr run time) or the electronics somehow broke in it, the optic still works…..

But we know, we know, we know….Batteries are the devil and you’re looking for…..well something that doesn’t exist, but……good luck..
 
Sharps40 said:
What is there for an ar15 in the $100 range that is NOT-

Battery powered...

And IS all of the following-

Small like a holograph
Not more than 1x magnification
Picatinny mount
Has reticle like a scope
Has knobs for windage and elevation not screws
Has a large area to look through
Can be cowitnessed with magpul bois
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One of your requirements was cowitnessing. I don’t see that addressed in the thread so far.

Prisms are not collimating optics like red dots. You will “see” an image of your front irons, but since the whole image is being distorted through the prism, getting a cowitnessed irons zero is not really possible. Every time you adjust to zero the reticle, the front sight image will move—no different than attempting to co-witness through a 1X scope.

A red dot cowitnesses because only the reflected dot is moved by the adjustments, not the entire image coming through the objective lens.

Heads-up on that point, you are going to be compromising on more than just batteries.
 
JRV said:
One of your requirements was cowitnessing. I don’t see that addressed in the thread so far.

Prisms are not collimating optics like red dots. You will “see” an image of your front irons, but since the whole image is being distorted through the prism, getting a cowitnessed irons zero is not really possible. Every time you adjust to zero the reticle, the front sight image will move—no different than attempting to co-witness through a 1X scope.

A red dot cowitnesses because only the reflected dot is moved by the adjustments, not the entire image coming through the objective lens.

Heads-up on that point, you are going to be compromising on more than just batteries.
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That's a great point I hadn't considered.
 
JRV said:
One of your requirements was cowitnessing. I don’t see that addressed in the thread so far.

Prisms are not collimating optics like red dots. You will “see” an image of your front irons, but since the whole image is being distorted through the prism, getting a cowitnessed irons zero is not really possible. Every time you adjust to zero the reticle, the front sight image will move—no different than attempting to co-witness through a 1X scope.

A red dot cowitnesses because only the reflected dot is moved by the adjustments, not the entire image coming through the objective lens.

Heads-up on that point, you are going to be compromising on more than just batteries.
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Cole_McD said:
That's a great point I hadn't considered.
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That is another good thing about prisms with etched reticles. Unless you completely shatter the glass to the point you cannot see through it. There is no need for co witnessing backup sights. The reticle will always be there, unlike when red dots.

Quick disconnect mounts is all that is needed. Even if you had a red dot with co witnessed backup irons, and shattered the glass to that point, you would need to remove the red dot sight anyways.
 
Average Joe said:
You must have missed this one.
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Nope I saw it. Mr D was. I believe, I may be wrong, the first direct answer......"no it dosnt exist".

Not trying to be rude and I do appreciate the advice, but a majority of the responses seemed to be ... don't know/spend more money/don't install batteries.....excitement to be helpful I'll assume as otherwise it's a potential issue of reading comprehension. :)

By way of thank you, I'm considering the vortex that midway just put on sale for 169. Even though the eye box will be short.

the vortex is Slightly above budget but the 130 saved more than pays to get rid of the green floppy on the back end.
 
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JRV said:
One of your requirements was cowitnessing. I don’t see that addressed in the thread so far.

Prisms are not collimating optics like red dots. You will “see” an image of your front irons, but since the whole image is being distorted through the prism, getting a cowitnessed irons zero is not really possible. Every time you adjust to zero the reticle, the front sight image will move—no different than attempting to co-witness through a 1X scope.

A red dot cowitnesses because only the reflected dot is moved by the adjustments, not the entire image coming through the objective lens.

Heads-up on that point, you are going to be compromising on more than just batteries.
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Copy. Fold the sights down. When up, remove the prism. Thanks. A complication I didn't know about.
 
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Yeah, like most people have said, you can get some of these but I don't think there's anything that satisfies all your requirements.

The Spitfire you mentioned is good, but needlessly heavy. Rather than a ring/dot it has a outer ring/innerring/dot that I have never liked.

If you're set on prisms, you might be able to scare up a Bushnell Lil P on the secondary market. They are decent little prisms with a simple and effective reticle.

I still think the closest thing in spirit to what you are looking for is either a Meprolight M21 or an older discontinued Trijicon 1x24 reflex. But both are more than your budget, even used. The Trijicon is a dot but the M21's have various reticles.
 
Sharps40 said:
Nope I saw it. Mr D was. I believe, maybe wrong, the first direct answer......"no it dosnt exist".

Not trying to be rude and I do appreciate the advice, but a majority of the responses seemed to be ... don't know/spend more money/don't install batteries.....excitement to be helpful I'll assume as otherwise it's a potential issue of reading comprehension. :)

By way of thank you, I'm considering the vortex that midway just put on sale for 169. Slightly above budget but the 130 saved more than pays to get rid of the green floppy on the back end.
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After reviewing, I will agree potential issue of reading comprehension. 😀
 
I appreciate this thread just because ive never seen those "See All" sights, pretty cool.
 
I think for the immediate future I'll focus on getting Floppy Moe off the butt end and Wiggling Sally out from between upper and lower. Optics are going to take some consideration and looking in order to find one I might can both shoot and like.
 
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