OCers not welcome at Carlie C's
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From a business owner/manager standpoint, I get it. It's a distraction, a time suck and bad for business to have to deal with folks that get themselves in a tizzy. I appreciate they didn't just go the easy way out with a full on ban.
I wonder what prompted the "No concealed without permit" bit too. Sounds like maybe one sour experience prompted the signs, and maybe a friendly forum member could talk them down.
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I hope no one ACTUALLY eats there.
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Yeah I get it as well. When I have my annual BBQ it is no open carry and no weapons in public. Why? Because I don't know everyone that attends and if I don't spell it out some jackass will be showing off his new gun and flagging everyone at my BBQ.
And no open carry because I have people from all walks of life who attend and I want everyone to be comfortable. Same reason I don't allow pets.
Look, if all you do is open carry then I can see you not wanting to disarm and shopping somewhere else. I would as well. But one of the really nice things about concealed carry is nobody knows I'm carrying and those signs are so small I've never seen a damn one of them and no one has ever asked me to leave anywhere.
And no open carry because I have people from all walks of life who attend and I want everyone to be comfortable. Same reason I don't allow pets.
Look, if all you do is open carry then I can see you not wanting to disarm and shopping somewhere else. I would as well. But one of the really nice things about concealed carry is nobody knows I'm carrying and those signs are so small I've never seen a damn one of them and no one has ever asked me to leave anywhere.
In all seriousness...do you think a letter will have any effect on them? I considered sending one to a restaurant I was in recently, but wasn't sure if it would make any difference in getting them to take their sign down.
Are they frisking everyone and checking permits too?
So I guess this shirt wouldn't be allowed ?? 
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Probably not but I need that shirt in mah lyfe!
A lot of Carlie C's are GFZ's. I don't live near one, but I recall the one on Capital Blvd in Raleigh, and another--Angier maybe?--was posted with a standard gunbuster (neither concealed nor open). I assumed all of them were GFZ's.
Over the years, I've spoken to several business owners that have posted, and nearly all of them were a response to one or two guys together, open carrying just one time. Two of them told me they didn't care if I CC'd, they just didn't want OC.
Over the years, I've spoken to several business owners that have posted, and nearly all of them were a response to one or two guys together, open carrying just one time. Two of them told me they didn't care if I CC'd, they just didn't want OC.
Several years ago the Chamber of Commerce sent a packet to all their members. Inside the pack was a sticker that said "no concealed weapons". The note with it said"to all members we are sending these to post". A lot of folks opened these packs and went directly and posted them. They did not understand that the CoC was misusing it's power.
My partner in B&M Rifles went to a locally owned building supply house [we prefer to deal locally over chains when we can]. He stopped at the front door and beckoned an employee inside to the door. He told him,very nicely, that he would not be back as long as that sticker was there. The employee asked him to please wait for a minute or two. Mike stood around for a couple of minutes and then started to his truck. Before he got there the store manager came out, caught him and went back to the door with him and scraped the sticker off with his pocket knife. He really thought as a Chamber member he was required to post. Exactly as they planned. You never know whether your voice will make a difference until you try. Those stickers were everywhere for about a month, then slowly they went away.
Yes. It is worth telling them why you are walking away. I have no idea how much my complaint mattered (I assume there were more) but the signs at my bank were taken down.
Aaaaaand they're going to know who is carrying concealed without a permit HOW, exactly?
The sign wouldn't chip away at our RKBA regardless, no matter how restrictive the sign was. Even if it was a total ban.
The Second Amendment restrictions are restrictions on the government, not private citizens and businesses.
In fact, the ONLY think that would be chipping away any of our Second Amendment rights would be the "concealed carry PERMIT" part. 'Cause...government.
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As for signs being taken down...
I've noticed a few banks/credit unions I frequent in the last year or so no longer have "No Guns" signs posted.
The Buffalo Wild Wings ALL seem to have corporate "No Guns" signs, which I ignore in VA (because they don't carry the weight of law) and I ignore in SC (because they don't meet the state law requirements). However, the one I frequent in VA? The sign disappeared sometime in the last year.
Either businesses are taking them down due to complaints (Yay!) or people are scraping them off themselves on the sly and the businesses haven't noticed.
Either way...these are instances where I've seen them come down.
I've noticed a few banks/credit unions I frequent in the last year or so no longer have "No Guns" signs posted.
The Buffalo Wild Wings ALL seem to have corporate "No Guns" signs, which I ignore in VA (because they don't carry the weight of law) and I ignore in SC (because they don't meet the state law requirements). However, the one I frequent in VA? The sign disappeared sometime in the last year.
Either businesses are taking them down due to complaints (Yay!) or people are scraping them off themselves on the sly and the businesses haven't noticed.
Either way...these are instances where I've seen them come down.
Aaaaaand they're going to know who is carrying concealed without a permit HOW, exactly?
I know people who carry concealed with no permit. Do they advertise the fact they're carrying? No.
I know people who carry concealed with a permit. Do they advertise the fact they're carrying? No.
I know people who carry concealed with and without a permit who go right past gunbuster signs. Do they advertise the fact they're carrying? No.
It's your decision.
I dont even inform a LEO if we happen to interact in a store, on the sidewalk, or elsewhere outside my vehicle.
Now, if I'm getting pulled over, I will inform...but only because my CHP is linked to my vehicle registration for LEOs to see. If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even tell em then.
No way! The Chamber of Commerce? One of the Republican's big PACs? Not possible. The Repubs are all about FREEEEEEDOM.
What I find funny is that most think their right trump the right of the business owners!
Owners post it, you don't like it, don't go. Would you like someone to come into your house and tell you what to do?
I own a business. It's not posted. Half my staff might be carrying at any given time. But my house, my rules. Your right stop where mine begin. But I feel the same way about a lot of these thing. If I own a bakery and don't want to make you a cake, F off. If I don't want to serve red head Irish, bugger off. You don't like the smell of curry, hit the road Rishita!
But you get to live with the outcome of these decisions. When Finn and the Irish brigade show to protest, live with it.
Owners post it, you don't like it, don't go. Would you like someone to come into your house and tell you what to do?
I own a business. It's not posted. Half my staff might be carrying at any given time. But my house, my rules. Your right stop where mine begin. But I feel the same way about a lot of these thing. If I own a bakery and don't want to make you a cake, F off. If I don't want to serve red head Irish, bugger off. You don't like the smell of curry, hit the road Rishita!
But you get to live with the outcome of these decisions. When Finn and the Irish brigade show to protest, live with it.
FIFYNo way! The Chamber of Commerce? One of the Republican's big PACs? Not possible. The rePubicans are all about FREEEEEEDOM.
Indeed.
In fact, it turns a "right" into a "privilege".
A right is a right when it applies equally to everybody.
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If you're not a fan of Robert A. Heinlein, you sure ought to be!
“I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”
- Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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saw a gal OC'ing that friday of the storm, tried to get a pic.
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Walmart uncle mikes Velcro kind the clip type
and sweat pants
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Walmart uncle mikes Velcro kind the clip type
and sweat pants
Aaaaaand they're going to know who is carrying concealed without a permit HOW, exactly?
The sign looks slapped together and someone wasn’t really thinking when they basically took the time to say “breaking the law is forbidden”.
Yeah...whatever.
Sadly most of the time I see somebody OC’ing their setup is like this. I have a pic I took somewhere of a guy with an Uncle Mike/Bulldog holster, Springfield XD and no magazine in the gun while shopping at Best Buy in Cary.
I’m all for protecting oneself and being able to OC but this is the reason a lot of establishments frown upon it.
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