Oklahoma 2 states?

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    Oklahoma will still be one state, but the civil and criminal jurisdiction for Native Americans may/will change within the "reservation" area(s).
     
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    I'm no lawyer, but I think the broad impact is more than that. This is coming from my complete lack of knowledge of the legal system, so I'm probably wrong. :p

    Think about it. Supreme Court also this week legislated that the Civil Rights Law, when protecting 'sex,' by logical conclusion also means 'gender identity.' If that is now fluid, would later lawsuits also hold that race is fluid? Could anyone accused of a crime in Oklahoma now clam that they are Native American in their heart, and mess with court cases?

    Take this law for example.
    https://law.justia.com/codes/oklahoma/2014/title-22/section-22-812.1/

    Let's say you shoot someone. You are 8 months in from the charge(you have one year it seems in OK), and then claim you feel Native American. The trial get's thrown out. So, Federal government wants to charge.

    https://www.calcagnilaw.com/blog/federal-speedy-trial-act/

    It's been too long, they can't.
    Can the understaffed Tribal officials try you? Maybe? Do they recognize you as Native American, or would they deny it? Would that violate the Civil Rights Act?

    Would the Tribal Officials argue for increased spending, and money from taxes? Would it be used as case law to claim that the entire area is a reservation, and then kick all non Native Americans(85% of the people) out of the area? What happens to their property, does it get Eminent Domained?

    Whole can of worms.
     
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    How long were you digging for that can of worms? :p
     
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    I am not Native American first of all. The Native Americans were marched out to Oklahoma and told this is now your land and don’t leave. Then in the early 1900s at a stroke of a president’s pen it was taken back. I consider that stolen. I have been to Oklahoma three times in my life. I have seen some Native Americans but they tend to stay to themselves.
     
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    Oh, about 30 seconds. I'm good at 'what if'-ing? :p
     
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    The government should give all the land they own back to the Natives. 700,000 acres. It’s a small portion but it’s a start.
     
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    In theory, I agree with you.
    In practice, what about the rights of those what own land or businesses in Tulsa? Not saying they shouldn't do it, but how would you work out recompensing people living on the land now?

    How do expect a few hundred/thousand people to run the water/sewer/electricity of the area? Or do we just let it go fallow? Do we then need to pay for the resulting environmental damage of decaying cities?
     
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    The 700,000 acres owned by the government is mostly empty land. There is 44 million acres in the state. Any wildlife refuges or parks should be given back. I can only think of one way to give it back. When the owner passes the government buys it back at rates similar to what they do to confiscate land for roads which compensates the inheritance.

    Nobody has more of a gripe than Native Americans. Oklahoma is a poor state. I’ve seen country dirt roads kept better than Middle I-40. Crumbling mess. Half the towns in the state are already blight. Only the major cities are getting funded. Lots of high ranks in violent crime.