Over-pressure situation on my 17HMR, savage responds... and now CCI

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  1. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I've got an older Savage 93R17, and at the range I encountered a severe over-pressure situation. Not bothering to do into details, but I'm guessing it was a partially obstructed bore. The case rim separated, and the ass end of the case was smashed against the bolt and blew out down the extractor channel. Results were this:

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    After that, the POI shifted about 1/2 MOA down and the accuracy went to hell, groups 2x larger with the same shooter/ammo. I took it home and cleaned it and emailed Savage to see what I should do. They said STOP FIRING IT (you moron) and said it should be inspected immediately. They offered to do that.

    I've been sitting on it for a while though, because I'm not sure what to do. I would like to find someone locally to check it out because shipping it around is going to cost a significant amount of the value of the rifle (it's old and beat up from field use). It's not a warranty thing, it wasn't Savage's fault so if they come back and say it's screwed up, what am I going to do? Just have them keep it vs. putting a new barrel on? That's probably half the cost of a new rifle, and the new rifle would be a significant upgrade, the new Savages are very nice.

    I have a LOT of 17HMR ammo, otherwise I might just give up on the caliber since I'm not hunting rabbits in the desert anymore. Selling the ammo at a loss would suck, not really into doing that.

    So... local smith who could check it out? Pendergraft I'm guessing.

    Mostly I'm just sad I screwed up my rifle. :(
     
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    Catfish E Pluribus Mendacium Charter Member Supporting Member

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    That sucks man. Bore obstruction is really bad news. Have you checked for a bulge in the barrel?
     
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  3. Slacker

    Slacker Liquor and Whores...

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    Shipping to savage isn't expensive.
    It will be under $20 USPS.
     
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    I shipped one back to Savage.... in 2009 or so and the shipping wasn't expensive.
     
  5. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Pendergraft doesn't provide the service, so shipping is my option at this point.
     
  6. 11B CIB

    11B CIB IG: HandloadsAndHoldovers Staff Member Charter Life Member

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    You could hang on to that one but tag it “Do Not Fire”, get a new one to use with all your ammo, and get the original one repaired when it’s more convenient. Sounds like you want it fixed for its intrinsic value, so cross that bridge when you’re more inclined to
     
  7. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    yea, I really like _this_ rifle, it's got a lot of history behind it.

    I've got it boxed up, need to write the letter to include (Dear Savage, at the range, I did a bad thing....) and then get it shipped. Slacker keeps that USPS thread pinned, I suppose I should read it.
     
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    Short Fuse Well-Known Member Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Savage will take care of you. I have dealt with them many times and they are good people.
     
  9. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Got a voice mail from Savage, the rifle is "not repairable". I called them back but the person I need to talk to wasn't available so I'll try again tomorrow. The guy I did talk to said he didn't know the story because the info was not in the system and that the info is likely on a piece of paper on the woman's desk who does the call-backs.

    He did speculate that the rifle was too old to repair based on the serial number, but that's just a guess since he didn't have the paperwork.
     
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    Slacker Liquor and Whores...

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    Non repairable?
    Ha! No such thing.
    We can drill it out to a 17.6 HMR.
     
  11. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    If we're going to go custom, I want it to be a 17.6 creedmore.
     
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    Short Fuse Well-Known Member Charter Member Supporting Member

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    How about a .17BMG we will put a little more powder behind it. :D
     
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    Climberman Unstealthiest Ninja

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    .17ppbmb
     
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  14. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Got to the right person, and my new un-exploded rifle is headed to the LGS for me to pickup. They let me upgrade to the next model for $50 which saves me a lot vs. having the replacement unit threaded like mine was. At the time I bought the original they didn't have a threaded model and I told them that's why I had to thread mine, so I think they were more amenable to the upgrade vs. just a straight SKU replacement. Or I like to think my story mattered.
     
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    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    The old one self-upgraded to the caliber.
     
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    So to make sure I read it right, they were going to replace the rifle at no charge since it was unrepairable and let you pay $50 to get the threaded version instead? Not a bad deal.
     
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    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    The replacement wasn't free, but it was cheaper than retail. The $50 upgrade was not to the same level of discount as the base replacement (when comparing the MSRP of both versions) but it's cheaper than aftermarket threading.

    How's that for not disclosing the base replacement pricing? :)

    It's still very nice of them since it's not their fault the rifle blew up in the first place.
     
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    Button Pusher Well-Known Member Benefactor

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    Even if they sold it below cost they want you have a Savage in your hands then a competitors rifle.
     
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  19. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Lotta fond memories with that rifle. I did keep the stock, didn't ship it out with the action to save on shipping (and I had a box that fit the rest of it perfectly). The new one should drop right into the old stock so it will still sorta look like my old one with it's custom krylon paint job.
     
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    Did they say what is wrong with it to make it un-fixable??
     
  21. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Just that it was old and that parts were not readily available. It's not that old, but it is an older model then they sell now.
     
  22. Jayne

    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Got the new one, went to mount it in my old stock and it won't fit. There are changes, it looks like they added a pillar to the back and one in the front (metal screwed into the receiver) and there is an extra rib in the stock itself. So boo that it won't go, but probably a better rifle for it. Seems like they wouldn't add cost/complexity just for grins.

    Mounted the optic up and took it to the range, got it zeroed at 25 and then started going for steel at 200. Maybe 20 rounds into the session I had a case stick. Got it out, and the neck was split. Kept going, but then every round started splitting and sticking, like 10 in a row. I stopped firing at that point.

    Google seems to say that split necks in 17 is almost common, and it can be a sign of bad ammo more than a bad rifle. The ammo I was using was literally the same box that I was using with the last one when it blew.

    Could this be a bad batch, and a bit of neck material separated and it's what caught in the barrel and caused the pressure problem? Doesn't seem unreasonable.

    I don't know if it's the whole batch of this ammo (I have almost 2 cases left!) or just a bad box, or if the new rifle isn't right.

    I've ordered up some different brands of 17, should be here next week and I can try again and see what happens.

    On the positive side, the new bolt is slicking up nicely and it seems accurate. Not as accurate as my old one, but I suspect that's just me not settling in with the new trigger and optic setup yet.

    More to come.
     
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    ronn47 Where's the Scotch? Charter Member Benefactor Life Member

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    Have you checked for recalls on that lot of ammo?
     
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    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Can't find anything on-line, all the warnings/recalls are related to using it in semi-autos (back in the day). I've emailed them directly with the lot numbers to see.
     
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    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    OK, so here's the story so far. I broke things into lot numbers and did some test firing. The lot that was in use at the time that the gun blew up was splitting cases 45% of the time. Another random lot was splitting them 0% of the time. That seems like science.

    CCI wants me to ship all of it back and they'll "take a look at it". I'm getting clarification if they really want it all back or just a sample from each lot to test.

    They've not said there is a recall or anything known bad with that lot, other than it's 9 years old now.
     
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    Jayne Just here for the memes Charter Member Supporting Member

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    They wanted it all, UPS showed up at the house to collect it but it wasn't ready to go yet so I boxed it up and used the tag the dude handed me to ship it from a UPS store.

    Seems very unnatural to ship ammo away from the house.