Patience in the face of ignorance and stupidity....

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I need some.
Really.
Not kidding.
I mean it.

The rest here is just a rant and a ramble. Make of it what you will.

I’m not talking about malevolent ignorance or stupidity, like those who might be in some sort of political or municipal authority, or those who would otherwise seek to do you harm. I’m talking about friends, neighbors, and family. People you otherwise care about. ...or at least try to, or pretend to, maybe even because we’re just expected to.

I know a lot of us here pride ourselves on “saying it like it is”, “not taking any BS”, “setting folks straight who desperately need it”. Sometimes that’s all I do here. Read, read, read, read, post a “like” here and there, read some more, post an emoji here and there, until somebody says something I perceive as “Stupid”. Then I post. Talk about winning friends and influencing people. Yea, I don’t think I am.

Will Rogers once said, "The American people are a very generous people, and will forgive almost any weakness, with the possible exception of stupidity."

To my own discredit, I tend to treat these words as "words to live be”. While they might be accurate, they probably shouldn’t be a goal.

The older we get, I think many of us, certainly I, tend to lose our “filters", and say exactly what’s on our mind. Like it’s a badge of honor.

My old mother-in-law died in a nursing home with dementia, after having herself worked there for many years, and watching her own mother die in the same nursing home of dementia. My MIL was a wonderful woman, loved and cared for her family fearlessly, especially her grandkids, two of which are my offspring, but she spoke in a very straightforward manner. She grew up poor on a farm in the depression, and once said to me when discussing this topic, “Old people are mean”. This was primarily based on her experiences in the nursing home before she was a resident herself. As an aside, and it’s own rabbit hole, I think with social media now everybody is mean, because they can be, with impunity. For now anyway.

Aesop once wrote,
“ The Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger. Suddenly they saw a traveller coming down the road, and the Sun said: “I see a way to decide our dispute. Whichever of us can cause that traveller to take off his cloak shall be regarded as the stronger. You begin.” So the Sun retired behind a cloud, and the Wind began to blow as hard as it could upon the traveller. But the harder he blew the more closely did the traveller wrap his cloak round him, till at last the Wind had to give up in despair. Then the Sun came out and shone in all his glory upon the traveller, who soon found it too hot to walk with his cloak on."

"Kindness effects more than severity."

This won’t solve the world's problems. But it might protect important relationships close to you.
I hope it will, anyway.
I need to work on it for sure.
 
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Be careful what you pray for good sir. Praying for patience has never quite worked they way I wanted it to, even though I gained plenty of patience.

I will say a prayer for you though. It's been a rough world to live in lately.
 
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I am cordial/polite with people until they no longer allow me to do so, but one of the things that has helped me avoid family drama crap for the last 30-some years is that my fam knows I will tolerate exactly zero bullshit from anyone. Might not make me popular amongst the pot-stirrers, but they keep their crap far, far away from me.
 
The word you're looking for is "grace".

I find myself going in reverse of most. I find more grace the older I get.

Oh, sure, I join in the rants here regarding political stupidity. But for my in-person interactions, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I used to be a road rager. I used to be ridiculously impatient in grocery store lines and with wait staff.

These days I just let it roll off my back. I give people space in traffic. I'm patient and kind to wait staff, even when they screw up. I let know-it-alls blather on and on about things that are incorrect and..... well.... stupid. I don't even bother correcting them unless they are about to harm themselves or someone I love.

The funny thing is, MY life is better. Turns out, trying to "fix stupid" is like drinking poison yourself and hoping tue stupid person dies. They don't even know you drank it and don't care.

Then there's the fact that (keep in mind you put this in tue chapel) biblically, it's just the right thing to do. So that makes me feel even better about it.

Not everything is super important. Convincing your nieces boyfriend that Biden is an idiot at Thanksgiving dinner is only going to piss everyone off and make you look like a jerk. And the stupid kid will leave loving Biden even more anyway. I could ne countless examples of situations where you can just love on people and help those who want/need it rather than trying to "fix" people who don't even know they're broken.

Short version: Chill. And do it for two reasons. 1) It'll make you feel better eventually. 2) It's the right thing to do. Only step in and force your opinion when it reeeeeeeally matters, or will help, or will actuallychange something. And, honestly, that'll be rare
 
Thank you @fieldgrade for taking the time to put your thoughts out. I really needed to hear them, as well as the reinforcement by @two fingers . As I have aged I have gotten better about avoiding conflict in general, but the vaccine issue in my family has pushed that to the limit. It will get worse as we will be heading north to visit family this summer, and I have little doubt they will question my sanity for not being vaccinated, and refusing to consent to my kids being vaccinated.
 
I've come to realize, and accept, that EVERYONE is stupid in their own way.

Some are stupid in their arrogance.
Some in the ignorance.
Some in their stubbornness.
Some simply are just...stupid.

At the end of the day, you can either let others' flavor of stupid add spice to or sour your life. While doing that, it's always good to reflect and recognize where we are stupid ourselves.

IOW, what @two fingers said.
 
I am cordial/polite with people until they no longer allow me to do so, but one of the things that has helped me avoid family drama crap for the last 30-some years is that my fam knows I will tolerate exactly zero bullshit from anyone. Might not make me popular amongst the pot-stirrers, but they keep their crap far, far away from me.
Mine might know all that if I talked to any of them.
 
Thanks for the honestly @fieldgrade . My wife and I are going through something similar, specifically regarding how our circle keeps shrinking because people who were like us has gone 'to the other side' because it's just easier. Can't have honest conversation, people are digging in their heels.

Me, I don't care if I ever speak to just about anyone. I am good as a loner. My wife is a social being and she is very challenged.

But my go-to for dealing with stupidity is from Proverbs 15:1 "A soft word turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

Another approach is a key with emotional IQ: Does this need to be said? Does this need to be said by me? Does this need to be said now?
 
This won’t solve the world's problems. But it might protect important relationships close to you.
I hope it will, anyway.
I need to work on it for sure.

I get where you are coming from and know exactly how you feel....been there.

I respect that folks are entitled to have their own opinion about things, even though I may disagree with it in its entirety.

Where I draw the line, though, is when they attempt to force me into embracing their opinion as my own. Although I may disagree with them, I ain’t gonna be an a**hole about it. But, just as I respect their right to their own opinion, I expect the same from them and when they try to coerce me into denouncing my own beliefs, ethics or opinions, there’s a problem. I will do my best to change the subject or just walk away, but unfortunately, some folks will continue to buzz in your ear like little mosquitos and at that point, feelings can get hurt.

I try to be as longsuffering as possible, but there are times when diplomacy ends, you have to drop bombs and leave no question in anyone’s mind just where you stand and that you ain’t moving.
 
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Not only did I not stand in line when they were handing out patience....I didn't even know it was being offered. I don't think I'm mean, but I don't have a problem at all telling anyone that the dung has an odor.

I probably spend way too much time trying to be funny, and I can typically laugh off any criticism, especially if I disagree with it., and come back with something funny (to me anyway) that makes my point.

My older brother and his wife are pretty much the opposite of me and mine. They slowly went from regularly attending their Lutheran church (brother sang in the choir and his wife was employed there) to becoming
pretty much agnostic. They also slowly gave up meat in their diet, and now pay very close attention to what they put in their bodies, they are healthy, yet they both got the twofer vaccine. WTF!
I can easily live and let them live....unless they open the door to far. We recently gathered for Father's day at Mom and Dad's place. We were leaving....and my SIL started to give me a goodbye hug but stopped short
and said...."I'll hug you when you get the vaccine".... I just smiled and told her that I'm gonna miss her hugs.
On the way home my wife said that she asked her "I don't want to start a debate, but why haven't you guys been vaccinated?"....wife said..."One reason is that none of the vaccines have FDA approval"...to which the SIL said..."yes they have".
That would have made the door wide open for me.
 
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