Pentagon's schools infested with shocking pornographic material for military kids: 'Time to send a d*ck pic'

While I disagree with forcing this bullcrap down anyone's throat, the kids each carry around a device capable of displaying far worse material.

The kids can choose not to read the books or sign up for a pornhub platinum account, or they can feed on it like so many do in their quest for more attention.
 
While I disagree with forcing this bullcrap down anyone's throat, the kids each carry around a device capable of displaying far worse material.

The kids can choose not to read the books or sign up for a pornhub platinum account, or they can feed on it like so many do in their quest for more attention.
Agreed. I don’t agree with banning any books. There should be an age limit to check some out but censorship is never a good idea.
 
When I was a kid we fought tooth and nail over a copy of Penthouse. I guess we were "corrupted" too. And porn is porn is porn. But they never had it in the school library...damn modern kids, little lucky bastards...
 
Loyd Austin has been the most radical stupid cabinet member in the history of the country. You could go on for days the things the fugly dude has done or allowed.
 
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Loyd Austin has been the most radical stupid cabinet member in the history of the country. You could goon for days the things the fugly dude has done or allowed.
Uhm. You do know what gooning is right?

Phrasing.
 
Agreed. I don’t agree with banning any books. There should be an age limit to check some out but censorship is never a good idea.
So no banning books, does that mean that every library must be comprehensive? If not, who decides what to include or exclude, and is that censorship? Sorry, but this seems unworkable.
 
So no banning books, does that mean that every library must be comprehensive? If not, who decides what to include or exclude, and is that censorship? Sorry, but this seems unworkable.
Why is it unworkable?

Someone in purchasing or the manager of any particular library can determine if they wish to spend the money to buy a book or not.

Some libraries have more on one subject than another. Some have really expensive texts.

But saying a book is banned is censorship.

But just because it isn’t banned doesn’t mean you have to stock it.

No library can stock every book ever written.
 
Yep, porn's been around forever.

The difference is, when I was scrounging for a copy of Penthouse, my neighbor's taxes didn't pay for it!

Not allocating public funding for controversial material is NOT censorship. What the kids do with the phones/devices/media provided by their parents or via their own efforts is fine by me.
 
Yep, porn's been around forever.

The difference is, when I was scrounging for a copy of Penthouse, my neighbor's taxes didn't pay for it!

Not allocating public funding for controversial material is NOT censorship. What the kids do with the phones/devices/media provided by their parents or via their own efforts is fine by me.
Fair point.

FWIW we found a stash of hustlers in a trash bag hidden in a stump in the woods when I was about 9.

It was like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

It kinda ruined me for what I expected from girls I dated though. Lol.
 
we found a stash of hustlers in a trash bag hidden in a stump in the woods when I was about 9.
See, this is life skilz training!

You combined nature exploration, foraging, value-assessing, harvesting, storage, and distribution/allocation in an experiential learning environment.

You later learned a valuable lesson in the applicability of educational curricula to real-world situations.

Best of all, the entire enterprise put the FUN in "self-funded!"
 
I assume if pornography and explicit language is ok then drag queen story time is good to go as well? The whole military has been reshaped by a damn moron appointed only to flaunt Biden’s handlers have all key positions filed by gays, trans, or minorities.
 
I assume if pornography and explicit language is ok then drag queen story time is good to go as well? The whole military has been reshaped by a damn moron appointed only to flaunt Biden’s handlers have all key positions filed by gays, trans, or minorities.
The question for me, in regard to libraries and books, is where do you draw the line and who gets to draw it.

For example, I’m almost 50 and even when I was in school they tried to ban Huckleberry Finn from the school library.

Do we ban any books that offend anyone? Do we ban any and all books that have sex scenes in them? Do we ban atheist books or Satanic ones?

Now, forcing kids to read certain books or having trannies read to kids is not even on the same ballpark as saying that no one is allowed to read or put a book in a library to be checked out.
 
They're going to sexualise and corrupt your children because that's the cause that binds them all together. Raping kids.

And that evil will have a payday.

I expect it to start slow, then morph into something resembling an unihibited chemical chain reaction, with the bloodlettting ceasing when and only when no more of these little ones are preyed upon…

least, that’s what I am hoping for.
 
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The question for me, in regard to libraries and books, is where do you draw the line and who gets to draw it.

For example, I’m almost 50 and even when I was in school they tried to ban Huckleberry Finn from the school library.

Do we ban any books that offend anyone? Do we ban any and all books that have sex scenes in them? Do we ban atheist books or Satanic ones?

Now, forcing kids to read certain books or having trannies read to kids is not even on the same ballpark as saying that no one is allowed to read or put a book in a library to be checked out.

How about we defund public libraries and let private book stores sell whatever the hell they want? Once in a while the Libertarian’s are actually correct.
 
Why is it unworkable?

Someone in purchasing or the manager of any particular library can determine if they wish to spend the money to buy a book or not.

Some libraries have more on one subject than another. Some have really expensive texts.

But saying a book is banned is censorship.

But just because it isn’t banned doesn’t mean you have to stock it.

No library can stock every book ever written.
It is unworkable because, as you correctly point out, no library can stock every book.

What you describe is someone in purchasing or management deciding what to stock. In effect, they can accomplish the same thing as banning a book by choosing not to stock it, but as long as they don’t call it “banning” then it’s okay? Of course not, therefore, unworkable. All you accomplished was picking a librarian to be the censor.
 
The question for me, in regard to libraries and books, is where do you draw the line and who gets to draw it.

For example, I’m almost 50 and even when I was in school they tried to ban Huckleberry Finn from the school library.

Do we ban any books that offend anyone? Do we ban any and all books that have sex scenes in them? Do we ban atheist books or Satanic ones?

Like any government problem, it should be handled as locally as possible. The people living near that library and paying taxes for its upkeep should decide, not an activist librarian with a sociology degree. And if a county is too big to figure it out, operate them at a town or neighborhood level, or let people buy their own books instead.

But when my money is stolen to pay for indoctrinating kids into a worldview that I find morally repugnant, something needs to change.
 
When I was a kid we fought tooth and nail over a copy of Penthouse. I guess we were "corrupted" too. And porn is porn is porn. But they never had it in the school library...damn modern kids, little lucky bastards...
We had five copies of The Joy of Sex in our public library in 1975,
 
It is unworkable because, as you correctly point out, no library can stock every book.

What you describe is someone in purchasing or management deciding what to stock. In effect, they can accomplish the same thing as banning a book by choosing not to stock it, but as long as they don’t call it “banning” then it’s okay? Of course not, therefore, unworkable. All you accomplished was picking a librarian to be the censor.
A ban is different. I think you know that but if you want to continue to argue it feel free.
 
A ban is different. I think you know that but if you want to continue to argue it feel free.
No, I really don’t know how you define a ban if it’s something other than saying “we’re not gonna have this book.” The only distinction I see is who gets the power to say the magic words, and that’s important, but otherwise the effect is identical.

Seriously.
 
No, I really don’t know how you define a ban if it’s something other than saying “we’re not gonna have this book.” The only distinction I see is who gets the power to say the magic words, and that’s important, but otherwise the effect is identical.

Seriously.
A ban is an official or legal prohibition.

Someone as an employee or board or whatever deciding they don’t have the room, funding or desire to stock a certain book is not the same thing in the slightest.

You can always shop or go to another library that does stock it. With a ban you cannot.

I can’t explain it any better than that.
 
Fair point.

FWIW we found a stash of hustlers in a trash bag hidden in a stump in the woods when I was about 9.

It was like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

It kinda ruined me for what I expected from girls I dated though. Lol.
tbh, stumbling upon hustler type pictures scared the crap out of me as a kid and i never wanted anything to do with naked girls. until i stumbled upon playboy pics and was like "oh, so they're not all like Predator's face. Cool".
 
We had five copies of The Joy of Sex in our public library in 1975,
In a public library geared to the entire public, fine.
Now throw a copy of the illustrated kama sutra in the k-5th school library.
saying "we're not putting that here" is not a ban, it's just selecting appropriate material for your target clients. If you want an illustrated kama sutra in the adult self-help section of a public library, no problem. I'd say that you can even consider, since you know children can access the adult section, tossing it under the desk in the reference section, but I would agree that could easily have a chilling effect on adult readers.
 
In a public library geared to the entire public, fine.
Now throw a copy of the illustrated kama sutra in the k-5th school library.
saying "we're not putting that here" is not a ban, it's just selecting appropriate material for your target clients. If you want an illustrated kama sutra in the adult self-help section of a public library, no problem. I'd say that you can even consider, since you know children can access the adult section, tossing it under the desk in the reference section, but I would agree that could easily have a chilling effect on adult readers.
I can absolutely get on board with this.
 
For example, I’m almost 50 and even when I was in school they tried to ban Huckleberry Finn from the school library.
Perfect example. From my own experience, we read Hick Finn around the room out loud in seventh grade. I was the one to come across and have to read the first utterance in the book of the word nigger. It made me uncomfortable then and I still remember it. I recall wondering what should I do. And that was roughly 40 years ago. I just buckled down and said it. As I said, I remember doing so.
 
Didn’t mean to hit post yet. In high school a friend read a book from the library and gave it to me. It was a typical teenage love story. Do we have sex or not, which I’m sure many or most of us can relate to, even if it was a long time ago. Before they got there, the 17 year old girl died of gynecological cancer. The book described that she was bleeding uncontrollably and called her boyfriend who saw her shoving a bath towel into her crotch trying to stem the bleeding. Ultimately she died. The book ended with the boyfriend sitting on the porch with her father sharing a beer (at 17) and remembering her. A very adult story. One I remember to this day, obviously.

No, books should not be banned. However, certain subjects need to be put in age appropriate context at least until a certain point. As a friend once said to me, she knew if she wanted an answer she went to her father. At the age of 4-5 she asked him, ”where do babies come from”. He told her. She stood and stared at him. Mom came home, asked what’s wrong with Suzanne. He said, “she asked me where babies come from and I told her”. Mom didn’t speak to him for a week.
 
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The subject of what books should or should not be allowed in public schools has been going on for decades, and will continue far into the future.

The question for me on this matter is "what purpose do the books serve in the various public education institutions?"


The general purpose of public schools is to provide a fundamental (basic) education centered around math, science, English, history, civics, etc. Toss in various trade related things like shop, home economics, journalism, etc. Stack in the arts and sports, too.

There are other things as well...sex education, for example.

The key is "what is appropriate for the various schools", which in general can be broken down by age. Very young children, for example, do not require the kind of in depth, detailed kind of information on sexually related topics that those approaching, or past the point of, puberty. Grade school students aren't at that stage of development biologically or intellectually. This isn't to say that such issues have absolutely no place. But discussions on this subject should be limited to what's appropriate for their general development at the time. A sixth grader, for example, is on the cusp of puberty (if not already there). A first grader, however, is not.

I can remember when I was 8 years old and my oldest brother and his wife were expecting their first. They were going to have a baby and I was going to be an uncle. I can remember asking my brother where babies come from. He gave me a straight forward answer without getting graphic: "They come from a hole between the mother's legs". It answered my question without having to go into details involving testicle deep penetrations, pretzel-like contortions, motor-boating boobs, oral foreplay, or any of the other more adult things that may have likely accompanied the actual conception event.

Who here remembers reading "To Kill a Mockingbird" and Atticus' approach to answering Scout's question "what is rape?" Scout is around 6 to 9 years of age in the story. She asked Atticus the question because she overheard someone use the term while out and about in town. "He sighed, and said rape was carnal knowledge of a female by force and without consent." He answered her question without going any deeper into the actual physical act because Scout, at her age, had absolutely no concept of what the act of sexual relations, the inherent biological emotions evoked by it, it's very intimate nature, and the biological/social consequences were to understand anything more. To be sure, she also didn't know what "carnal knowledge" meant, but she had an answer and she knew that to be forced into it was wrong. So "rape" was something "bad".

Children in grade school ages aren't generally hitting the point of hormonal development, and intellectual capacity, to deal with such sexual knowledge and expressions. So books in grade schools on the subject of where babies come from don't need to include that level of sexual knowledge behavior.


Middle school is a bit different. Children are beginning to come into puberty at this point and with puberty comes physiological and emotional changes that require further explanation. Still, getting overly graphic is not generally appropriate. Girls need to understand and come to grips with having their period. What it means biologically, what it involves and why it happens, and how to cope with it physically and socially. Boys need to understand that maybe they need to take showers every day, not only to stay clean (smelly bastards), but if only so they can take their morning p*ss without worrying about breaking their d**ks off trying to hit the toilet bowl. They need to understand why it's happening. Both need to understand that these changes will cause changes in their emotions, what those changes are trying to drive them to, and what consequences and responsibilities are involved.


High school is even more different. They already know the "bare bones" about sex, and now they're having to deal with full-fledged hormonally driven emotionally charged desires. They're learning more about their own personal sexuality and how to deal with it. It's all about "approach" in learning to deal with this. I told each of my kids that I didn't like to think of them as "teenagers", even though that's what they are by definition from 13 to 19. I like to think of them as "young adults". The term is an expression of what they really are and what their actual goal is: to transition into fully responsible adults, capable of taking care of themselves through intelligent decisions by understanding their duties, roles, and responsibilities, which includes "consequences".

Learning about sex and sexuality at this point is a vital part of transitioning from "young adult" to "mature adult". Because let's face it: Mother Nature is an absolute bitch, and as far as she's concerned the members of any species is an adult by definition as soon as they can procreate. Human society, however, has expectations and responsibilities that go beyond that and they MUST learn this.


Books are only a part of this. While I don't think "pornography" is appropriate, a level of graphic openness IS appropriate. What is "pornography"? My personal definition is that it's sexually explicit material whose primary intent is to sexually excite the individuals who read or view it. Though one may "learn" from it, it's NOT there to be "educational". That a given book or video MAY sexually excite a young adult does not automatically make it pornographic. Let's face it...a penis at that age pretty much thinks breathing the morning air is sexually explicit.

It is primarily the job of the parents to guide their children in ALL aspects of growing, including their general education. Far too many push that onto the public schools in the first place, but it's true. Parent's should always be involved in their children's growth and education, ensuring they're progressing adequately and that what they're learning is understood in context with life as they progress towards adulthood. Schools give information and basic technical understanding on many issues. Parent's ensure they're getting that and what it means to learn it.

So...strictly pornographic material in schools? No. Age appropriate material that students can learn relevant information on sex and sexuality? Yes.

The material can be there...and parents should be aware of what's there and be involved in what their own children are allowed to access. If parents don't want others to impress their own beliefs and norms on their children, then THEY need to get on the stick and be sure THEY are doing their jobs as parents. Because sure as Hell, if they don't, their children WILL get their answers from someone else.
 
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