PetSmart Dog attack

Shocker, somebody who owns a dangerous dog can't control it. When I would stay in downtown Charlotte with my friend, I would walk my pup around the city and was amazed at the amount of tiny women and sissified men being pulled around by German Shepherds, Dobies, Pits, etc. I'm sure all of these people lived in tiny apts and were using friggin extenda leashes on these dogs. One large mutt that was probably 12' away from its owner on the leash came up and growled at my dog and received a square toed boot to the mouth. The owner, your typical downtown Charlotte "male" resident ran up to me screaming, I told him to call the cops and kept walking.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
First of all, dogs are not always predictable around other dogs.

With small dogs, this isn't generally a problem because if the little sh*t gets out of hand all he ends up doing is making a fool out of himself at the end of his leash. Sometimes at the end of his leash two feet off the ground.

But a bigger, more massive dog? That's a bigger, more massive problem and requires the owner to be ready to haul back on that leash like the Almighty God of I'm-Going-to-F*ck-Your-World-UP-if-You-Don't-Calm-the-F*ck-Down. And even so, this may not be enough for several reasons.

Once the dogs tangle?

There ain't gonna be a "shot-the-f*cker" moment available unless a miracle happens. They're going to be a ball of teeth and fur all over the place.

Unless a leash remains attached, there will be no pulling the animals apart.

You'll be lucky to get a break where you can do something before one or both is seriously hurt.

Unless, of course, both dogs are small dogs. They can only do so much damage when you reach in and throttle the sh*t out of the aggressor.

If it's your big dog, my opinion is be ready to take the SOB DOWN in full Alpha mode and let him know in no uncertain terms that this stops NOW.

If it's NOT your big dog, don't try that.

Alternate option: if you have a dog spray or some kind of OC spray...that will break something like this up in a heartbeat. Hose 'em down and restrain.
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I see you've been around a few big dog fights. You may shoot a dog while they're fighting but lord knows which one you'll hit or if you'll shoot yourself in the leg or foot in all that commotion.:D
I've had dogs all my life & when big dogs are fighting & you decide to intervene, you better be expecting to bleed. And with a pit in the mix you better stay back or be one badass!
 
Dogs tend to work things out on their own in familiar or mid-term packs. Throwing them all into a store from different packs (i.e. family/humans) is going to be dicey. Any owner that does not understand this should not be owning a pup. Plain and simple.

If dogs are around each other long enough.. they are going to exhibit the signs for a pecking order to be established.... unless they are the dirt-pile-my-dog-is-bad-ass bred for aggression. They just need to be shot.

So, in conclusion... your dog, your responsibility. IF it comes near me or my dog aggressively... I gonna break my foot off in its ass.

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SPST said:
$7k for a mutt! PT Barnum was right.
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hysterical.
TheY call them designer mix and charge fools a boat load.
One of ours is a blue heeler, black lab mix.
Luckily the seller didn't know there us a designer mix called labroheeler.
The litter was all black except the one we got. White and tan. She charged $50 four the black ones and $100 for the white. RACIST! Ha!

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I have to disagree with all the disregard for pits. We have one we rescued and she is great, and I’ve been around them the better part of my adult life. No doubt there are bad apples in the bunch, but that’s like saying all gun owners are bad because some dude shot up a school. If you take the time to look up actual stats pits generally are well behaved dogs, and are often used as therapy dogs. We also take ours to pet smart for the vet or to be groomed and have never had a problem. People look at her like she’s the devil but we keep her on a short leash with us in control like it should be. One thing that bothers me is people running up and trying to pet a dog without asking. We also have an English mastiff that is a big baby and every time we are out with him it happens.
 
dman24 said:
I have to disagree with all the disregard for pits. We have one we rescued and she is great, and I’ve been around them the better part of my adult life. No doubt there are bad apples in the bunch, but that’s like saying all gun owners are bad because some dude shot up a school. If you take the time to look up actual stats pits generally are well behaved dogs, and are often used as therapy dogs. We also take ours to pet smart for the vet or to be groomed and have never had a problem. People look at her like she’s the devil but we keep her on a short leash with us in control like it should be. One thing that bothers me is people running up and trying to pet a dog without asking. We also have an English mastiff that is a big baby and every time we are out with him it happens.
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Pit bulls that are neglected, chained and have minimal human contact are the dangerous ones.
Like all dogs, they can also develop varying degrees of separation anxiety when the primary person they bonded to is suddenly gone.
My niece had to put down her son's pit because he got dangerously aggressive After he moved and couldn't take him.
We had toy fox terriers that got separation anxiety too.

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gunbelt said:
I see you've been around a few big dog fights. You may shoot a dog while they're fighting but lord knows which one you'll hit or if you'll shoot yourself in the leg or foot in all that commotion.:D
I've had dogs all my life & when big dogs are fighting & you decide to intervene, you better be expecting to bleed. And with a pit in the mix you better stay back or be one badass!
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Even the little ones will make you bleed.

Biggest dog I've owned was a Black Lab. Not a mean streak in him...but when a stray German Shepard came at my kids in the yard on a full out attack run, Booger flashed by me in a black blur and slammed into the side of that dog like a runaway freight train. Those two went at it in a snarling brown and black blur and there was NO WAY I could have separated them, short of maybe blindly beating the black and brown furball until they separated. Damned if I was going to get close enough to do that.

They broke up when the German Shepard ran off...and Booger was treated to a Kings Meal...after doctoring him up.

Never been attacked by a big dog...but I've had littler ones come at me. Generally, launching them a few feet across the lawn (sometimes in front of their owners) re-establishes my "personal space". A few biggers ones chased me on my bicycle, but never made contact.

Faced down a few dogs that challenged me...and by "faced down", I mean I made full on eye contact, threatening postures, and plenty of growling of my own with obvious full-on intent to go tooth and nail myself if I had to. Dominance games are serious for dogs.

I wasn't a big guy during much of these encounters...5'9", 135 pounds for the longest time. But the least bit of observation will tell you size isn't the most important thing with dogs and dominance.

I've shot my share of diseased/dying dogs, as well as feral and pack dogs.

We now own, of all things, a black Pug. Talk about a dog with no aggression! But even so, he's a DOG, with all the instincts that entails. When we take him places, we make sure he's not allowed to get out of our control, even if HE decides to go out of control.

Interestingly, all the control issues I've ever had with Happy (the Pug) has been due to my wife, my mother-in-law, and the problems they caused with our kids over Happy's training.
 
Mightyox04 said:
There is no question about it. If your dog is in my yard attacking my anything I'll kill it. I might eat it if no one is watching.

At pet smart, Lowe's or anywhere else I'll kill it if its attacking me and mine.
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Exactly.

I know that my 4 wiener dogs are aggressive little assholes & will attack ANY dog on sight (except other Dachshunds, which they somehow seem to already know). When they go to the vet, they're crated or on a very short leash & I don't go draggin' 'em around with me in public.
 
Crazy Carl said:
Exactly.

I know that my 4 wiener dogs are aggressive little assholes & will attack ANY dog on sight (except other Dachshunds, which they somehow seem to already know). When they go to the vet, they're crated or on a very short leash & I don't go draggin' 'em around with me in public.
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Wieners are hunters. Can't breed that out of them. Training might tame it a little. But is it really worth all the time and effort?
Know your dog. [emoji41]

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RetiredUSNChief said:
Even the little ones will make you bleed.

Faced down a few dogs that challenged me...and by "faced down", I mean I made full on eye contact, threatening postures, and plenty of growling of my own with obvious full-on intent to go tooth and nail myself if I had to. Dominance games are serious for dogs.
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This... if you are ever facing down a big dog, you have got to play the game that they understand. I have faced down some serious monsters... a few I have had to get physical with. You will get bit, you will bleed, but you have to show dominance and kick their ass or they will eat you up.

Now... those little dogs.. they have serious big dog envy... I don't like em, because they are more aggressive and I generally don't like putting a foot to their ass to show dominance... that's just to much for their bodies. This past week in the Shenandoah, my cousins little mutt that is incessantly plays fetch would snap at my daughter and bear her teeth for no reason. I just took my hand and held her down till she whined. She left baby girl alone and after that, would always come set with me on the couch and lick my face. I even got that dog to sit, lay and stay in 2 days and my cousins were bewildered because they couldn't get CoCo to do that before... well.... don't spoil her and let her run the house!

They just have to know who's boss. But more often, you want to take a foot and break it off in the owner's ass for not teaching their pack the right way.
 
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Now... those little dogs.. they have serious big dog envy... I don't like em, because they are more aggressive....
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I've encountered a few short police officers that suffer the issue. But in humans it is called Napoleon Syndrome.

Big dogs and big people don't have to act tough.
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A lot of this "bad" or "irresponsible" dog owners crap stems precisely because folks have forgotten they are animals, pets, and not "part of the family."

That's why you have people driving with a dog on their lap being more a hazard on the road than a lot of folks with cell phones. It's why you see them in Walmart and Lowe's and prancing around in sweaters and all that nonsense.

People walking around calling them "my children" and calling themselves "dog Mom" and "dog Dad."

Hell, I was on a historic homes tour with my grandmother and this couple came storming out of the home berating the owners for not "letting us bring our baby in there! She's our baby! How dare they?!?"

It was a damned Pomeranian with bows and all kinds of stupid sh*t on it.

Everyone else has already hashed out why dogs behave the way they do. But a lot of them don't behave because people in these United States have stopped treating them as pets and instead treat them like people.
 
The secret with little dogs really ain't a secret.
Let them be dogs.
Let them run with the big dogs, roll around in stinky crap, chase the cat until the cat decides it don't play that game and put 5 across it's face, run down to the creek and get all muddy, go for a ride in the truck, fake the throw and make them look for a ball that ain't there, play "I'm the bad guy and gonna get you", make him sit and stay for the scooby snak.
Frag that foo foo crap and do dog stuff instead and guess what? They turn out to be...a happy little dog.
 
See that old beagle in my avatar? She was my buddy. About 17 years old when she passed away this past March. I would not want to do it. I love dogs. But, 100% certain that I would empty my revolver into that pit bull, without any hesitation. Would take no time at all to cause irreparable damage to my little old beagle. That would be a terrible situation. That said, I would first attempt to break it up by hand if the attacking dog appeared less capable of inflicting serious injury quickly. That's just the way it is. My old beagle would have fought a bear for me if necessary. Goes both ways.


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gunbelt said:
I see you've been around a few big dog fights. You may shoot a dog while they're fighting but lord knows which one you'll hit or if you'll shoot yourself in the leg or foot in all that commotion.:D
I've had dogs all my life & when big dogs are fighting & you decide to intervene, you better be expecting to bleed. And with a pit in the mix you better stay back or be one badass!
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I've broke up some dog fights. I have picked up a 95lb german Shepard by the tail and the scruff. Give it a spin like throwing discus and let go. If you go into a knife fight expect to be cut. If your breaking up dog fights expect to be bitten.

Pit bulls to me aren't that bad ass, dobermans can break bone when they bite and bite much harder than pits.
 
Tailhunter said:
For some reason they are doing this at Lowes Home Improvement stores.
I’ve seen great danes dragging their owners down the isle. Pits and a bunch of yappy fur balls. For some reason people don’t leash the little ones. I just about punted some “shitzs on you” down the isle when it got tangled up under my feet.
There is no reason for this other then to stroke the owners misplaced ego.
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I appreciate when stores allow me to bring my dog inside. Makes me more likely to shop there. Me and my son and my dog all visit Agri Supply and Cabela's in Garner virtually every time we are in town. I'm sure that if enough people complained at this stores they would stop. I imagine they think it brings more people like me in and doesn't chase too many people off.

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Learned from an old guy who was a dog trainer how to set the standard when getting a new pup. I hold them down and growl in their face. Then I bite them on the ear. Do this a couple times they will learn to obey early. They get petted a lot afterwards. Seems cruel to some but it works. No dog is allowed to jump on people’s legs. I knee them down for a flip. Never had a dog that put its paws on anyone. Don’t allow my house dog to bark unless it’s late at night and she knows someone is outside.

Now my daughter got a dog about six months ago and let it do anything. Sorry dog ate the wires from under my truck. Trailers lights and rear lights had to be repaired by a mechanic. Next time in the fenced back yard it got stuck under the fence. The next week visit it chewed the door casings on three doors. Then the following week it chewed thru my underground power cable coming up the side of the house. Banned the dog from ever visiting again. I suggested she find it a home where it could roam. It went to doggy school five days a week at $20 a day while she worked because she could let it roam her house unattended. Reggie now lives on a mini farm and stays outside on 12 acres where he should be.
 
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A lot of this "bad" or "irresponsible" dog owners crap stems precisely because folks have forgotten they are animals, pets, and not "part of the family."

That's why you have people driving with a dog on their lap being more a hazard on the road than a lot of folks with cell phones. It's why you see them in Walmart and Lowe's and prancing around in sweaters and all that nonsense.

People walking around calling them "my children" and calling themselves "dog Mom" and "dog Dad."

Hell, I was on a historic homes tour with my grandmother and this couple came storming out of the home berating the owners for not "letting us bring our baby in there! She's our baby! How dare they?!?"

It was a damned Pomeranian with bows and all kinds of stupid sh*t on it.

Everyone else has already hashed out why dogs behave the way they do. But a lot of them don't behave because people in these United States have stopped treating them as pets and instead treat them like people.
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They did that in China too. Dress them up in silly dresses or get the groomed and trimmed to look something different.
Saw a tall Siberia Husky that had be trimmed to crew cut mostly to look more like the "dog" in Riddick.

My step mother kept a Shitzu long after he should have been allowed to go naturally. The little guy was in pain for years from various ailments. She didn't a lot of money keeping it alive and on drugs. And that was against the advice of my brother who is a veterinarian.

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SPST said:
$7k for a mutt! PT Barnum was right.
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You don't know how much I've wanted to get into the designer crossbreed business.

If someone would pay 7 grand for a Labradoodle, how much to you think people like rap stars would pay for a "Shihtzdane", a cross between a Shih Tzu and a Great Dane?

Bullshihtz: Bulldog and Shih Tzu

Hairless American Cock: American Cocker Spaniel and American Hairless Terrier

Brittnay Brazilian: Brazilian Terrier and Brittany

Dandie Cock: Dandie Dinmont Terrier and Cocker Spaniel (make a good "coming out of the closet" gift...)

Toy Cock: English Toy Terrier and Cocker Spaniel

Finnish Cock Spitz: Finnish Spitz and Cocker Spaniel

Brittnay Spitz or Brittnay Finnish Spitz: Brittnay and Finnish Spitz
 
GoWolfpack said:
I appreciate when stores allow me to bring my dog inside. Makes me more likely to shop there. Me and my son and my dog all visit Agri Supply and Cabela's in Garner virtually every time we are in town. I'm sure that if enough people complained at this stores they would stop. I imagine they think it brings more people like me in and doesn't chase too many people off.

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I doubt complaints would stop anything. For whatever reason America has lost it's freaking minds with pets and the supposed "Therapy animal". My wife flew home from California with a lady and her therapy Cockatoo. She openly admitted to having a dr friend write her a note to get it certified.
 
This whole "comfort pet" thing is out of control.

Of COURSE a pet is a "comfort pet". There's nothing our Pug likes more than to snuggle up and get comfortable between our feet and get lots of lovin' and scratchin'. And the cats love getting comfortable on laps or next to us, getting the same.

And yes, we enjoy it...it's "comforting".

But driving down the road with that stupid little furry sh*t stain standing in your lap, hanging over your arm out the window? That's not "comforting", that's effin' STUPID.

And any number of other stupid pet encounters in various places...restaurants, shopping malls, grocery stores, etc.

A working dog is one thing. But comfort pets? Get that thing out of my face.
 
There are videos of dogs just crapping in the airports and their owners just wait and walk away. How about we just collectively so no to all pets except legitimate medical dogs.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
You don't know how much I've wanted to get into the designer crossbreed business.

If someone would pay 7 grand for a Labradoodle, how much to you think people like rap stars would pay for a "Shihtzdane", a cross between a Shih Tzu and a Great Dane?

Bullshihtz: Bulldog and Shih Tzu

Hairless American Cock: American Cocker Spaniel and American Hairless Terrier

Brittnay Brazilian: Brazilian Terrier and Brittany

Dandie Cock: Dandie Dinmont Terrier and Cocker Spaniel (make a good "coming out of the closet" gift...)

Toy Cock: English Toy Terrier and Cocker Spaniel

Finnish Cock Spitz: Finnish Spitz and Cocker Spaniel

Brittnay Spitz or Brittnay Finnish Spitz: Brittnay and Finnish Spitz
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My nephew had a female American Bull Dog. His mom had a male Pomatzu. The male got hold of a step stool and knockup the Bull Dog.
We dubbed the puppies BullZhitaranian. They looked like hairy little bull dogs.
 
fishgutzy said:
Wieners are hunters. Can't breed that out of them. Training might tame it a little. But is it really worth all the time and effort?
Know your dog. [emoji41]
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Sadly, that prey drive is actually slowly being bred out of them. My 2 long-hairs (littermates) are very docile & gentle & wouldn't know what to do with a mouse or rabbit. They're still territorial as all get out, though & will not tolerate a strange dog on their turf. The 2 short-hairs, however, are killing machines. The pup got his first mouse a couple weeks a go & a young rabbit 2 days ago. They're even worse about strange dogs & that pup is a vicious little shit with zero quit in him.

All that said, they're all spoiled little snuggle bug lap dogs & very well trained, to include hand signals. 'Course, when they go into full-blown wiener dog mode over a dog walking down the street or my neighbor coming home, all bets are off. They respect the invisible fence & have over half an acre to run, which keeps them out of most trouble. I love the gonzo little shits for what they are & you'll not find a more loyal or loving dog, but they can be a handful. I know they're aggressive as hell toward strange dogs, so I don't go draggin' 'em around to places where they might encounter one.
 
fishgutzy said:
My nephew had a female American Bull Dog. His mom had a male Pomatzu. The male got hold of a step stool and knockup the Bull Dog.
We dubbed the puppies BullZhitaranian. They looked like hairy little bull dogs.
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This kid asks his dad if he can take their dog that was in heat for a walk. Dad says, yes, but I've got an idea first. He then takes a rag, soaks it in gasoline and rubs it on the dog's backside. He says yo the kid, "that should do it." About a half an hour later the kid comes home without the dog. His dad asks where the dog is and he replies, "she ran out of gas about halfway through the walk, but don't worry, another dog is pushing her the rest of the way home."
 
Personally I don't like any pit-bulls, rottweilers or dobermans. Any control you think you have over an animal is an illusion. You are in control only as long as they let you be in control. We have a lady on our street with two rotts. She walks them together. No flippin way this lady could hold those dogs. I always want to tell her that it's selfish and ignorant to put anyone in a position to have to kill YOUR dog if it goes after mine. Just don't put ME in that position. I will kill your dog if it puts mine in danger. I have a mean little 12 pounder.
 
I've never had a dog that didn't have a JOB. Every dog needs a JOB, it keeps them alert and on their game as an animal in the company of humans. Bailey (Choc Lab 85#) was a hunter supreme and I used her constantly in the Brown Dog Guide Services role with hunters. She was great at ignoring everyone else but me. Great alert dog also.
Lucy on the other hand doesn't hunt if you're going to use a gun. She's gun shy, but when we go to bed she becomes the look out and rarely sleeps at night when she's "on duty". She checks out anything in the yard that moves but doesn't alert if it's just a rabbit or another animal. She constantly roams from one window to another looking and smelling. She alerted one night to a guy walking down my street at 0300. I got up and checked him out and dropped a dime to the local PoPo for them to check this guy out. Come to find out he was drunk and belonged about a mile away in another development.
Just remember, every dog needs a JOB.....
 
Cowboy said:
There are videos of dogs just crapping in the airports and their owners just wait and walk away. How about we just collectively so no to all pets except legitimate medical dogs.
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Was at lowes getting sheetrock not too long ago and one of these moron dog owners let their dog crap in the exit to the lumber area. People had been stepping in it and tracking it all over.
What a mess!
 
I have a friend that works loss prevention and has plenty of videos of people leaving bowel movements in the middle of floor, dressing rooms, etc. My dog goes with me to work on projects and rides to Lowes with me, and I can guarantee she is more well behaved than any child in that store. Don't confuse responsible dog owners with morons that have no business being in public themselves, let alone with a dog.

Is the therapy pet thing ridiculous? Sure, but truthfully I would rather meet a therapy Cockatoo than any of the half dozen mouth breathers I interact with at a retail establishment and would rather see a Golden Retriever on a store aisle than an unattended, screaming, spoiled rotten brat spawn.
 
Tailhunter said:
Was at lowes getting sheetrock not too long ago and one of these moron dog owners let their dog crap in the exit to the lumber area. People had been stepping in it and tracking it all over.
What a mess!
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Reminds me of the news story about the lady that had a cat in a carrier on an airplane. Before take off the cat took a dump. They got booted off the flight because of the smell.
 
premise said:
I have a friend that works loss prevention and has plenty of videos of people leaving bowel movements in the middle of floor, dressing rooms, etc. My dog goes with me to work on projects and rides to Lowes with me, and I can guarantee she is more well behaved than any child in that store. Don't confuse responsible dog owners with morons that have no business being in public themselves, let alone with a dog.

Is the therapy pet thing ridiculous? Sure, but truthfully I would rather meet a therapy Cockatoo than any of the half dozen mouth breathers I interact with at a retail establishment and would rather see a Golden Retriever on a store aisle than an unattended, screaming, spoiled rotten brat spawn.
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There is still no place for a dog in a retail establishment.
 
premise said:
My dog comes into Lowes with me because it is too hot in the car. Can you tell me the purpose of bringing a two year old brat screaming at the top of its lungs into the store?
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Because the child might not be able to be left home.

And just because a kid is screaming does not make them a brat. There are a lot of other reasons for their actions. Some may have sensory disorders or other things going on.

Animals have a place and it’s not in line at the lumber store.

Too hot in the car, don’t put them in there to begin with.
 
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