Pocket holsters

[Timfoilhat]

So how do you pocket holster guys re-holster your gun? How would you do it after an adrenaline dump? Do you flag your hand, foot, leg, man junk?
Not picking on anybody, but asking questions that some may not have considered.
Also, acknowledge that there's a difference between stuffing a safety equipped or hammer fired or heavy (12# +) triggered gun in a pocket vs a striker fired variant.
Discuss.

 

[Cowboy]

Take the holster out insert gun, insert gun with holster into pocket or if you are using a nice leather holster you should be able to just slide it back into the holster while in your pocket. I've never been in a high stress situation pocket carrying but reholstering is the least of my worries if I draw my weapon.

 

[Timfoilhat]

Take the holster out insert gun, insert gun with holster into pocket or if you are using a nice leather holster you should be able to just slide it back into the holster while in your pocket. I've never been in a high stress situation pocket carrying but reholstering is the least of my worries if I draw my weapon.

Back when I started carry I had an instructor who was a cop. He walked us through the situation well beyond the actual defensive use. Not being visibly armed when cops roll up on a shooting scene could save your life...but trying to re-holster into a pocket after an adrenaline dump might cost your life.

 

[GoWolfpack]

How do you reholster your gun without pointing it at yourself? If you carry inside your waistband you can't. The only way to re-holster without pointing the gun at yourself is to use a competition rig that holds the gun rigid well away from your body. No one I know carries their gun like that.

There is no prize for the first one to put their gun away. Once you're using your gun in anger, "flagging" yourself just doesn't matter anymore.

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[Timfoilhat]

How do you reholster your gun without pointing it at yourself? If you carry inside your waistband you can't. The only way to re-holster without pointing the gun at yourself is to use a competition rig that holds the gun rigid well away from your body. No one I know carries their gun like that.

There is no prize for the first one to put their gun away. Once you're using your gun in anger, "flagging" yourself just doesn't matter anymore.

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Anger? Eh, I'm not sure that's the best choice of word.

The amount of flagging from an OWB at 3:30- 4:00 on your belt is minimal.

 

[MacEntyre]

I carry AIWB or Pocket because I want fast, easy access... with each, reholstering is slow and careful. Remove holster, engage safety if necessary, put gun in holster, put the whole thing back where it came from.

 

[Timfoilhat]

I carry AIWB or Pocket because I want fast, easy access... with each, reholstering is slow and careful. Remove holster, engage safety if necessary, put gun in holster, put the whole thing back where it came from.

Of the two, which is faster? Of the two, which will an instructor allow in a class so you can train how you actually carry?

 

[Timfoilhat]

Also, we need to define POCKET. Jacket pocket, cargo pocket are different from jeans pocket.

 

[GoWolfpack]

Anger? Eh, I'm not sure that's the best choice of word.

The amount of flagging from an OWB at 3:30- 4:00 on your belt is minimal.

I mean that once you're shooting at a person in self defense, flagging yourself reholstering is no longer a consideration.



So, some amount of body in front of the muzzle is ok? Who gets to decide how much is ok? Shouldn't it be me, the one putting their soft dangly parts in front of the business end?


What was the point of this thread? Do you believe people should stop pocket carrying?

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[Timfoilhat]

I mean that once you're shooting at a person in self defense, flagging yourself reholstering is no longer a consideration.



So, some amount of body in front of the muzzle is ok? Who gets to decide how much is ok? Shouldn't it be me, the one putting their soft dangly parts in front of the business end?


What was the point of this thread? Do you believe people should stop pocket carrying?

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First, I want everybody who is comfortable with carry to carry all the time.

Second, I have pocket holsters myself (in my drawer full of holsters.)

Third, this isn't an attack. You do you.

Mostly, it's a question I ask people to see if they've thought it through. My old instructor walked us though this for our safety and consideration. I repeat it to share the knowledge with other who didn't have the benefit of the class I took. If it wakes someone up who's grown complacent or not considered this and it prevents him or her from having an accident, great. If you're far too experienced to need to consider what's safe and what's not that's fine too. No skin off my back.

 

[Bocephus]

If you are involved in a shooting, you will have time for the adrenaline dump to dissipate by the time police show up. If they are on the scene as the last bullet is fired, you will not be reholstering anyway (best case, you will be ordered to drop the weapon). But, to answer the question, I have a kydex pocket holster that I remove from my pocket when reholstering.

I attended training given by an active duty police officer/military and he also went through various after-shooting scenarios with us. He purposely changed up instructions/actions for each student so we would not be prepared. It was an eye opener for all of us

 

[fieldgrade]

Same way I do when I run my BUG guns in a match at the end of a stage, when the timer is no longer running. Remove the holster from my pocket, insert gun in holster, then shove it all back in my pocket.

 

[GoWolfpack]

Mostly, it's a question I ask people to see if they've thought it through. My old instructor walked us though this for our safety and consideration. I repeat it to share the knowledge with other who didn't have the benefit of the class I took. If it wakes someone up who's grown complacent or not considered this and it prevents him or her from having an accident, great. If you're far too experienced to need to consider what's safe and what's not that's fine too. No skin off my back.

Maybe I'm a little salty about unrelated situations. I was feeling a little confrontational this morning.


Personally I don't consider reholstering to be worth significant mental bandwidth. Like I said in my first post, there is no prize for fastest reholster. I feel fine devoting my efforts to keeping obstructions out of the trigger whenever my guns are loaded.

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[Cowboy]

Back when I started carry I had an instructor who was a cop. He walked us through the situation well beyond the actual defensive use. Not being visibly armed when cops roll up on a shooting scene could save your life...but trying to re-holster into a pocket after an adrenaline dump might cost your life.

I don't think I would worry about reholstering and just place it on the ground in that situation.

 

[Timfoilhat]

I don't think I would worry about reholstering and just place it on the ground in that situation.

Advise given by same instructor was to ground it and stand over it to "control" it until police were on scene.

 

[Cowboy]

Advise given by same instructor was to ground it and stand over it to "control" it until police were on scene.

yeah I think your over thinking the situation as a whole. I've pocket carried the better half of the last 12 years and never had an issue with reholstering. I usually carry in leather which keeps it's form pretty well. There is one other I like I think it's a remora which has a kydex liner.

 

[Timfoilhat]

yeah I think your over thinking the situation as a whole. I've pocket carried the better half of the last 12 years and never had an issue with reholstering. I usually carry in leather which keeps it's form pretty well. There is one other I like I think it's a remora which has a kydex liner.

Maybe I am, wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of overthinking stuff.
I have taken a lot of training over the years. It's when you get to the level when you're in scenarios where you draw your gun, hold low ready or sul as you scan a scene in the immediate aftermath of a shooting, holster to treat a GSW victim with TQ or IBD...then the scene goes hot again so you have to defend/draw again...at this point pocket holsters just don't work well. I've taken other classes that incorporate the need to re-holster as part of the scenario as well.

Most shootings are 3 shots, from 3', in 3 seconds...so what is there more to worry about is one way of seeing this. I used to go through neighborhoods in Chiraq where things might not have been so cut and dry. Knowing that I trained accordingly. That experience plays into my judgement now.

On the other note, I've got a Sticky holster that has a kydex mouth opening. It's easy to reholster in it, but retention is crap.

 

[Charlie]

I have carried J-frames, an LCP, and a 365 in my pocket over the years. I have a 365 in my pocket right now. I always take the holster out of my pocket to reholster. I do it each and every time. No exceptions. I would get a different trainer if a trainer tried to make me do otherwise. Different situations demand different actions, but I would hope that I would not compromise my safety or the safety of others in any situation, stressful or otherwise.

 

[HMP]

Carefully.

I do it and, yeah ,I guess you sweep yourself when doing it, some part of your body. But finger off trigger the entire time, nothing in the trigger area/trigger is 'protected'

 

[MacEntyre]

Of the two, which is faster?

At Battery Oaks, chooting the Wizard, you are allowed to have your hand in your pocket, on the gun, before the beep. If not for that advantage, AIWB might be faster.

Of the two, which will an instructor allow in a class so you can train how you actually carry?

I don't know, captain!

 

[fieldgrade]

@Timfoilhat Re: your question on AIWB

I can’t speak for all instructors everywhere, but Hackathorn and Vickers won't let you appendix carry in their classes. Even if that is your duty carry. Many match directors won’t either. Hackathorn is retired now as of last year, but I expect it might possibly be an issue with others. It’s one thing to shove a holstered loaded gun in your pants once for the day, but another to unholster and reholster a “hot” gun multiple times during a day at a class or match.