Police Death during No-Knock Raid, Suspect Fired as Door was Broken

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    No knock warrants for small time drug dealing need to stop....
     
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    What a waste.
     
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    The no-knock warrant claimed that Fricke had sold marijuana to a confidential informant on February 1. One sale for $20, one for $40.


    Killed over $60 worth of pieces of a plant....sad, very sad. Bet the "dealer" had no clue if it was cops or thugs during the split second decision to protect himself.
     
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    Uh oh. Sounds just like my reloading room

    weapons parts, a safe with $3,000 cash and equipment used in drug sales, the complaint said.
     
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    So many reasons for weed to be legal
     
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    I'm honestly not sure what response they expect to receive. When you break down a door to someone's home, I don't care if you're shouting "Police" or "Hello, it's Mother Theresa", the person on the inside of that house is not likely to be welcoming. Just today I read about a man who was impersonating police and I believe it was last week some people broke into a house while yelling police. I don't think shouting "police" as you break in is enough justification for people in the home to stand down.

    They really wanted to go through all this crap for $60 worth of weed? SERIOUSLY?!? If that's the case I'd expect to see the national guard show up at almost every high school in the country. There has to be more to this story then what we are being told.

    Not so much as a traffic ticket since 2014, possibly a CCW, and they break down his door to find no drugs, a little bit of cash, some weapons and a postage scale? None of this adds up.
     
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    SEE! look at how dangerously those marijuanas are!!
     
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    Yeah, umm, why not scoop him up on his way to Circle K for a pack of smokes and gas?
     
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    So sad for all Parties involved.
     
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    Remember the blotched ATF raid on the Branch Davidians' in Waco in 93'. They could have grabbed him on the street. Also more currently down in Houston last week where 4 plain clothes officers were shot, 2 home owners dead. Same type of raid.

    CD
     
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    If they're going to devote that much manpower, why not just detail a team to sit on his house, wait for him to leave and make a traffic stop? If you also have a separate warrant to search the house, you do a no knock entry by using the key you just took and walk into a house you know is empty.

    And just what was the rationale for the no knock warrant? Aren't there criteria that must be met? And aren't they typically done at o'dark-thirty? There are a lot of unanswered questions. I wonder where we could find a detective.
     
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    I remember back on a case where an attempted motor arrest turned in to a rolling gunfight. As I remember everybody was saying "why didn't they go arrest him at home?"

    No matter what they did they were wrong.
     
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    SNL "Ex Police" skit: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/xpolice/3007498

    Bill Murray: "Maybe you should stop banging his head against the wall? He's already unconscious and might be seriously hurt."
    Dan Ackroyd: "I guess you're right." ::Lets John Belushi fall to the floor::
    Ackroyd: "Too late, he's dead. Another marijuana related death."
    Bill Murray: "Better make it look like the girl did it."
     
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    Not to take away from the "yelling police" part you are absolutely correct about. But the bold text.... Seriously, WTF?! Aren't there bigger problems than this they should be working on? And for people to be killed over this!?! This stinks to high heaven.
     
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    What is just blowing my mind is this was over some marijuana. At least from what I've read there was no history of violence, other major illegal activities, or even a large ammount of marijuana.

    $60 worth of weed is pretty much a half ounce of DIRTY mexi weed or 2 to 3 GRAMS of some quality buds with a silly name like "here comes autism" or "where did I park my car".

    Either way based off of what I've read the crime wasn't anywhere near the justification of getting suited up like they're about to take down an IED manufacturer. But, anything to make the officers feel like bad asses and they're doing some good I guess. Knock and talks have been conducted very successfully.

    But I guess officers want an excuse to kit up in their plate carrier, cool guy helmet equipped with NODs, AR and go kick a door, employ a flashbang and scream at people.
     

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    Just because the no knock was warranted doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do. Low level dealer, probably still in bed and not fully awake and aware and you go crashing in the door. Not the smartest thing to do, even though legal. Maybe if officers keep getting killed they will re-evaluate the choices... Doubtful, but maybe.
     
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    I agree
     
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    Armed robbery in Mooresville over the weekend 4 guys shot and robbed their pot dealer while he was selling out of an air bnb.

    Just saying pot can lead to violence as well.
     
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    Yes it can, but I am fairly well convinced criminalization is making it worse rather than better.
     
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    I'll not argue that I'm sure it is. I just don't think it will just stop because having it is legal. People will always want what they don't have. The Mooresville case was 4 17-19 year old kids so its not going to just stop.
     
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    But how are they going to fund all of their toys?
     
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    Yes, because prohibition makes it lucrative on the black market. Just like alcohol lead to violence and the rise of the Mafia.

    And some fools around here don’t think they’ll kill you over guns. The same tired excuses that are trudged out for the drug war will be the same tired excuses trudged out to justify the “war on guns.”

    Nothing blows my mind about policy enforcers anymore. Gone are the days of the Peace Officer, the guy you run to for help, or ask for directions in an unfamiliar town. Power over others, insulated from the consequences of abusing that power, leads to self-righteous corruption.

    These are the people who lock up a history professor for an 18th century flintlock pistol cuz muh law sayz, or a single mother of 3 driving through a craptastic State with her completely legally owned pistol, flashbangs kids in their beds then blames the kid, or shoots the kid in the head and blames the grandmother, or gets caught on camera shooting a guy in the back and planting evidence on the body, or on their own body cameras planting drugs at a location to justify a search, or forgetting to turn off a pedestrians cell phone camera and recording themselves conspiring to charge him with something to teach him a lesson, or pulling over women on the side of 77 and raping them, or making challenge coins for a cop with his 4th justified homicide, or extrajudicially taking more money and property from the People they claim to serve than burglars did over the same time period.

    It’s an institutional and systematic abuse of authority and power, wrapped in the idea that they’re doing it to protect you from you, that they’re the lone good guys standing against a specter of evil no one else can see, and that any action they take to do it is righteous and moral.

    But to argue that maybe something is wrong, that the litany of cases in which abuse of authority or outright disregard for the well-being of the Public at large makes you anti-Cop, makes you a troll, or “everybody knows what you were going to say.”

    It’s a pathetic cop out, and not the position any Freedom loving people would willingly place themselves.

    In any other instance, without the costume and tin shield, the headline would read:

    Milwaukee Homeowner kills intruder in early morning home invasion
     
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    Don't put me on the jury, he would walk scott free in self defense. You break into a mans home when no one is in danger and you must expect to get killed. There is no legal reason for breaking into a home. You can sit outside till they come out. Call it a siege warrant if you like.
     
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    The idea is when it's legal big business will take over make it cheap and pay tax. Since it's cheap people won't deal it illegally and there won't be any more crime than alcohol leads to. Hasn't worked out so far.

    On the thread topic some years ago Indiana passed a law protecting home owners who shoot police raiding the wrong house. Can't recall the details but might be worth pushing for similar legislation in all the states.
     
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    There will always be the parasitic element. There will always be those who will opt to take from other by violence. Still, the absurdity of dressing up as Seal Team Zero to bust down someone's door because an informant says they bought a few ounces of weed resulting in two people getting killed should be obvious.
     
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    All these people whose lives are so boring they must have an escape.

    Never needed a chemical one, being outside has always been mine
     
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    Some might think that since they were met with deadly force a "No Knock" was warranted.

    I do agree that a cost/benefit analysis should be done before engaging.
     
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    One more question:

    Why don’t the cops have bigger fish to fry?
     
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    Yup. This one is gonna be a million dollar or more burden easily on the tax payers vs $60 retail price of some damn plant.
     
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    Yeah...if I punch someone in the face, and they draw a gun on me, then I am legally allowed to shoot them because since they met my aggression with deadly force my deadly force was warranted.
     
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    It's very obvious and you would be surprised as to how many people have mentioned the same facts. Risking life over misdemeanor is not the smartest thing in the world.

    I was talking to a retired officer of 27 years the other day and he said the biggest out right lie is that pot isn't dangerous. He said in all his years he never saw a home invasion that didn't have something to do with pot or drugs and 5 out of his 10 murders had directly been because of pot.

    I agree that there needs to be changes and think once they get the science at 98%+ on roadside testing for marijuana impaired driving you probably will see major overhauls.
     
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    From what little I understand of the science, this is trickier than for alcohol. It’s been quite a while since I last saw any research on it, but from what I recall the tests had (false positive) issues with picking up that someone had used it, but was no longer impaired by its effects.
     
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    Yeah I haven't looked lately but I believe your correct. Even then once they get that worked out they have to set the legal limits then have some case law that gets challenged to be set in stone. I'm thinking 8-10 years.
     
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    THC gets absorbed into your body fat and stays there for up to 45 days. There is no way to distinguish between the joint one smoked 10 minutes ago and the bong fest he indulged 3 weeks ago.

    That one is a clear legal charlie foxtrot.
     
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    fixed it for you :)
     
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    My hometown newspaper ran this story today. Ironic how stark the difference is.

    In the 90's, the yankee Baptists had a very heavy hand in legislation.
    The Baptists have lost that leverage and are closing churches faster than I can keep up with.
    These are the same churches that watched my Metallica Ozborn generation walk by on Sunday mornings...with never so much as a smile.
    They made the bed they now sleep in.

    I expect the same results here. Just be patient. Incidents like this only serve to hasten the inevitable.


    https://bangordailynews.com/2019/02...-business-when-regulations-are-up-in-the-air/
     
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    I think the Gestapo were the ones that invented the No Knock Warrant.
    I'm not calling regular Joe Cop the Gestapo, but why did the Police adopt a Gestapo tactic?
     
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