Polymer 80, 9/20/22 deadline for serial numbers?

[William Quinn]

I am hearing so much conflicting info about the new rules for P80's. I see old info, mixed in with new info, I must admit I am totally confused. How do you serialize old builds?
Do you just scrap your previous builds?
Please before posting make sure your info is up to date. There is just too much old info mixed with new info that no longer applies.
If anybody knows about companies serializing previous builds, need info.

 

[JohnFreeman]

You don't have to serialize any existing builds

You don't have to serialize any new builds.

You've always had not required to serialize anything you want to sell.

FFL is required to serialize a personally made firearm if it's left in their care, it seems .

 

[William Quinn]

I appreciate your answer, but is this coming from the recent new guidelines? If so, can you show me where I can find this info.
I know in the past you did not have to serialize your own builds, I am now hearing that all P80's have to be serialized by 9/20/22, regardless whether you built them or not.

 

[Pinky787]

From what I have found the "law" went into effect 8-24,
It does not require you making one's you already currently own be serialized, just new ones sold by dealers after 8-24 but there is at least 3 law suites going on over all this.
But no don't scrap any existing builds. But if you are so inclined, I'll be glad to dispose of them for you. Where do you see the 9-20 deadline?
Also even the ATF website isn't even updated for 80%s

 

[LeeMajors]

You don't have to serialize any existing builds

You don't have to serialize any new builds.

You've always had to serialize anything you want to sell. Buzz engraving a "1" into the embedded plate will do.

Have a link to the regs that you have to serialize one to be sold?

 

[Squanchy]

Article explaining it same as others have said. Just sit tight. Quite a few resellers and manufacturers have sent products to the atf to see what "readily convertible" means

The Firearm Blog - Firearms not Politics

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Federal Register :: Request Access

These privately made firearms, commonly referred to as “ghost guns,” are not required by the GCA to have a serial number placed on the frame or receiver when made for personal use. When PMFs are relinquished by their owners, enter commerce, and are later recovered and submitted for tracing, the absence of markings on PMFs makes it extremely difficult for law enforcement to determine where, by whom, or when they were manufactured


nor did the proposed rule require individuals to mark PMFs when they occasionally acquire them for a personal collection, or sell or transfer them from a personal collection to unlicensed in-State residents in accordance with Federal, State, and local law. Further, the NPRM would not require FFLs to accept any PMFs, or to mark PMFs themselves, or to provide services to place identification marks on PMFs. Licensees would be able to arrange for individuals who wish to transfer PMFs to licensees to have them marked by another licensee before accepting them, provided they are properly marked in accordance with the proposed rule.

 

[William Quinn]

Thanks for the info. Once again the ATF rules are as clear as mud. I saw the 9/20/22 deadline on an update from an youtuber I follow. No guarantee he got the info correct as he did not site his source.

 

[Squanchy]

JSD among others havr submitted kits to see what "readily" means. I'd recommend reading that ATF link and draw your own conclusions. Who is the YouTuber? Quite a few are freaking out and spreading miss information right now.

 

[JohnFreeman]

Have a link to the regs that you have to serialize one to be sold?

You're right, you do NOT have to. I was reading in the convoluted section of the regulations where a PMF is at a FFL (ie: ceracoating, gunsmithing, etc). The section for individuals is almost identical to the C&R requirements. Here's the "ghost gun" section of the new regs:

At the same time, nothing in the proposed rule restricted persons who are not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms from making their own firearms without markings solely for personal use, nor did the proposed rule require individuals to mark PMFs when they occasionally acquire them for a personal collection, or sell or transfer them from a personal collection to unlicensed in-State residents in accordance with Federal, State, and local law.