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I don't want to shoot the messenger and am genuinely glad you and others are trying to protect themselves.

The G.S. numbers are 14-51.2, 14-51.3 and 14-51.4 if you'd like to read them for yourself.

Statutes

  • North Carolina General Statutes 14-51.2 (home, workplace, and motor vehicle protection)
  • North Carolina General Statutes 14-51.3 (use of force in defense of a person)
  • North Carolina General Statutes 14-51.4 (no justification for defensive force)

10-4. But from link you provided:

' ...a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.'

Not seeing anything clear regarding use of deadly force in protection of property. Again, case law would help put this to rest, but as written (and explained to me), I would not want to be in front of a jury shooting a guy who tried to jack my lawn mower. As I understand it, castle doc would only apply if he, or someone he reasonably believe to be (other than perp), were in the shed at the time.
 
10-4. But from link you provided:

' ...a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.'

Not seeing anything clear regarding use of deadly force in protection of property. Again, case law would help put this to rest, but as written (and explained to me), I would not want to be in front of a jury shooting a guy who tried to jack my lawn mower. As I understand it, castle doc would only apply if he, or someone he reasonably believe to be (other than perp), were in the shed at the time.
Imminent death or great bodily harm are your watch words.
 
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10-4. But from link you provided:

' ...a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.'

Not seeing anything clear regarding use of deadly force in protection of property. Again, case law would help put this to rest, but as written (and explained to me), I would not want to be in front of a jury shooting a guy who tried to jack my lawn mower. As I understand it, castle doc would only apply if he, or someone he reasonably believe to be (other than perp), were in the shed at the time.

It's your shed. You have a right to be there. You have no duty to retreat from your property or any other place you have a right to be. You are at potential risk and castle doctrine applies...
 
Sounds exactly like the Cabarrus County SO Firearms Instructor who did my initial CHP class.


I think some of these retired LEO instructors still have what NC's self defense laws used to be in their noggins. What @Sigequinox220 describes sounds very much like what the law was regarding self defense in your home prior to Castle Doctrine. I remember being told you could use deadly force to keep an intruder who is breaking into your home from so doing, but once he was inside, he better have a weapon on him if you are going to shoot him. Our concealed carry instructor back then told us that if you shot him and he didn't have a weapon, throw one of your kitchen knives down and tell law enforcement that he must have gotten it out of the drawer prior to your shooting him.

It always struck me as perverse that you could shoot someone through the door as he was trying to bang it down, or shoot him as he is breaking glass out of your window, but once he is actually inside, you could be charged with murder for shooting him.
 
In NC you can not use deadly force solely to protect property ... it is to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another. Basically if you are in the building (house, shed, barn, etc) there is little doubt in you were fearing for your life or safety ... if you’re outside especially at a distance from the building the fear for your life thing is going to be hard to prove. You get an overzealous DA and the wrong jury and you’re in court fighting some charges you don’t want to over property ...
 
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In NC you can not use deadly force solely to protect property ... it is to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another. Basically if you are in the building (house, shed, barn, etc) there is little doubt in you were fearing for your life or safety ... if you’re outside especially at a distance from the building the fear for your life thing is going to be hard to prove. You get an overzealous DA and the wrong jury and you’re in court fighting some charges you don’t want to over property ...

So remember kids, if you hear a noise in the shed and you go out to shoot that dang raccoon that has be getting into it, but happen to get charged by a 2 legged robber and had to shoot him, you we not looking for a person, just a critter. But if a thug finds you in a place you have a right to be...
 
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I think some of these retired LEO instructors still have what NC's self defense laws used to be in their noggins. What @Sigequinox220 describes sounds very much like what the law was regarding self defense in your home prior to Castle Doctrine. I remember being told you could use deadly force to keep an intruder who is breaking into your home from so doing, but once he was inside, he better have a weapon on him if you are going to shoot him. Our concealed carry instructor back then told us that if you shot him and he didn't have a weapon, throw one of your kitchen knives down and tell law enforcement that he must have gotten it out of the drawer prior to your shooting him.

It always struck me as perverse that you could shoot someone through the door as he was trying to bang it down, or shoot him as he is breaking glass out of your window, but once he is actually inside, you could be charged with murder for shooting him.
Yeah, that’s how it was all explained in my class 12+ years ago.

Shoot as they’re attempting to enter, because you don’t know what they’re planning. Can’t shoot after they enter unless they have a weapon, even if they have your property in both hands.

And don’t shoot them outside and then drag them inside. :D
 
Yeah, that’s how it was all explained in my class 12+ years ago.

Shoot as they’re attempting to enter, because you don’t know what they’re planning. Can’t shoot after they enter unless they have a weapon, even if they have your property in both hands.

And don’t shoot them outside and then drag them inside. :D


My dad owned a few rental houses in the bad part of town growing up. Our neighbors at one house were a multi-generational family of women with their assorted kids under 18. They were nice women, overall, and good neighbors. One of the local pimps/pushers was mad at one of the women because she wouldn't sleep with him and he threatened to kill her, burn her house down, all sorts of stuff. Dude was in his 60s and would drive his big hoopty slowly by their house multiple times a day. Couple of the local cops told them to shoot him if he ever got out of his car, drag his body to the front porch, and they'd take care of the rest.
 
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So remember kids, if you hear a noise in the shed and you go out to shoot that dang raccoon that has be getting into it, but happen to get charged by a 2 legged robber and had to shoot him, you we not looking for a person, just a critter. But if a thug finds you in a place you have a right to be...
Actually “your version” of the events is damn important ... and that is why you follow the DO NOT TALK TO ANYONE ANYMORE THAN TO SAY YOU WERE THE VICTIM AND THE OTHER(s) INVOLVED WERE THE BAD GUY(s) UNTIL YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH AN ATTORNEY! rule. What you say might sound good to you and even the responding LEO’s but once it’s written down it’s a permanent record ... and a DA or such could possibly twist it and use a phrase or two to go after charges if he can get any footing to build on.
 
I'm in NY and gun shops were not deemed essential and thus shut down. Same thing in NJ.

Long lines outside gun shops before the shut down went into effect in NY.
 
I'm in NY and gun shops were not deemed essential and thus shut down. Same thing in NJ.

Long lines outside gun shops before the shut down went into effect in NY.

Stay there! Don't bring that WuFlu back to us!
 
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