Questions re: full auto fire control group for AK

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I have heard that several of these items are more solid, durable and reliable (springs, pin, etc) than the stuff on standard AKM rifles, and am considering doing a partial replacement.

NOTE: I AM NOT CONSIDERING DOING A CONVERSION TO FULL AUTO OF MY AK..... and if I was, I would not be stupid enough to announce it on an internet forum. {So here is a merry "screw you, please die" to the gov drones who collect data off this and other like groups!)

Couple of questions:
1) these fire control groups are easily findable and purchasable on the web. I found one with a quick search (did I mention "SCREW YOU" to the tax leeches who track searches like this?.. if not, here is another one. please find honest work!). Are there NFA restrictions on their PURCHASE, or just on their USE? I am assuming the latter.
2) there is normally a howl of "constructive intent" or some such to constitute warnings against owning this and having an AK in the same household. Has there ever been an actual case brought, and/or a conviction secured, for persons in possession of afcg and an AK?
3) assuming that the ATF/FBI/municipal SWAT teams are too busy shooting dogs, regulating shoelaces, chasing down bumpstocks, killing unarmed grandmothers in their beds and other activities related to protecting our constitutional liberties to bother with chasing down parts groups like this, I am also assuming that there are no penalties/dangers to ordering and having such parts, even without Class 3 licenses and taxes. Is this so?
 
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I would think @BigWaylon would weigh in on this, but until someone that knows more than me chimes in, I believe that the conversion would require milling parts of the semi-auto receiver and of the bolt in addition to drilling a hole for the additional sear pun, so I’d think you’d be in trouble if you did that work AND had the select fire parts.

If the parts were restricted, like say an auto sear for an ar-15, they would not be openly available on the internet, so I say carry on and I promise to send cards if you end up in the pokey.
 
JimB said:
If the parts were restricted, like say an auto sear for an ar-15, they would not be openly available on the internet, so I say carry on and I promise to send cards if you end up in the pokey.
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I’ll admit to knowing nothing about AKs, but I’m leaning towards this theory as well.

A sear by itself is considered an MG. But a trigger wouldn’t be. No different than me having FA bolts in several of my ARs.
 
The legal aspect of "constructive possession" seems to come into play when possessing FA pieces and a firearm that can be made to use them in. I sure wouldn't do it and if I would, I sure wouldn't talk about it on the internet. I imagine this site is monitored by law enforcement as are most other gun forums.
 
rufrdr said:
The legal aspect of "constructive possession" seems to come into play when possessing FA pieces and a firearm that can be made to use them in. I sure wouldn't do it and if I would, I sure wouldn't talk about it on the internet. I imagine this site is monitored by law enforcement as are most other gun forums.
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EVERYTHING is monitored by so-called law enforcement. So unless he passes notes in class it isn't a secret. I'm sure they already have his search engine results on a server somewhere.
 
Thousands of AK parts kits were sold with the FA components.
 
Nearly all AK kits came with the FA parts as Kalishnakov intended. They are good quality parts and can be modified for semi auto only use. HOWEVER, if you do not drill the forbidden 3rd hole and respect the 922r stuff, I don't see that you could get into trouble using the modified part in a build. You have to grind off the part that controls the interrupter and that renders it effectively destroyed as far as a FA part is concerned. But I'm not a lawyer and don't construe this as advice as the ATF has been known to play Fast and Fur... oops loose with the regs.
 
Just toss out the auto sear and grind down the tab on the disconnector so it is no longer deactivated by the safety in the auto position.

I don’t think having full auto parts is illegal unless you own a gun that will accept them. If you don’t have a 3rd hole, your rifle won’t accept the auto sear.
 
Dave951 said:
Nearly all AK kits came with the FA parts as Kalishnakov intended. They are good quality parts and can be modified for semi auto only use. HOWEVER, if you do not drill the forbidden 3rd hole and respect the 922r stuff, I don't see that you could get into trouble using the modified part in a build. You have to grind off the part that controls the interrupter and that renders it effectively destroyed as far as a FA part is concerned. But I'm not a lawyer and don't construe this as advice as the ATF has been known to play Fast and Fur... oops loose with the regs.
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Has anyone ever been convicted or charged with a 922r crime of not having the correct number of US parts?
 
I don't know if anyone has been actually hit with a 922r charge, but if the alphabet boys are out to get somebody, it's just more shinola to splatter on the wall in the list of charges.
 
JimB said:
If the parts were restricted, like say an auto sear for an ar-15, they would not be openly available on the internet, so I say carry on and I promise to send cards if you end up in the pokey.
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This LPK comes with the auto sear, from a business in FL.

https://www.m-16parts.com/contents/en-us/p137_M-16-lower-parts-kit-Mil-spec.html

I don't believe it's illegal to simply own one, but "intent" is another story. Owning one of those with your garden variety AR that's milled in such a way that the auto sear wouldn't fit even if you wanted it to seems reasonably safe. However, owning one of those with a M16 cut lower, could be bad news.
 
Brian K said:
This LPK comes with the auto sear, from a business in FL.

https://www.m-16parts.com/contents/en-us/p137_M-16-lower-parts-kit-Mil-spec.html

I don't believe it's illegal to simply own one, but "intent" is another story. Owning one of those with your garden variety AR that's milled in such a way that the auto sear wouldn't fit even if you wanted it to seems reasonably safe. However, owning one of those with a M16 cut lower, could be bad news.
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Nifty, for some reason I thought that they had decided that the sear was a restricted item. I might go ahead and buy one of these while they are on sale just to have the spare parts for when I finally buy an m-16.
 
MadMardigan said:
Has anyone ever been convicted or charged with a 922r crime of not having the correct number of US parts?
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Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s just something they can add on if you get charged for something more serious.
 
Brian K said:
This LPK comes with the auto sear, from a business in FL.

https://www.m-16parts.com/contents/en-us/p137_M-16-lower-parts-kit-Mil-spec.html

I don't believe it's illegal to simply own one, but "intent" is another story. Owning one of those with your garden variety AR that's milled in such a way that the auto sear wouldn't fit even if you wanted it to seems reasonably safe. However, owning one of those with a M16 cut lower, could be bad news.
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Apparently it is, This is from that ad:
These are for replacement only of a registered full auto M16 rifles NFA rules apply
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