Raleigh store clerk charged in shooting death of robbery suspect

Reads like he is being held without bond for shooting a robber in the leg, while the robber was shooting at him.

BG must have been shot on the inside of the leg, hit an artery... only made it 3 miles before he bled out.

Sounds like detectives have figured something out. Wonder why was the clerk arrested initially?
 
Store surveillance video could have shown more than we are being told. The no bond for a manslaughter charge is strange so there is more here ...
 
NCFubar said:
Store surveillance video could have shown more than we are being told. The no bond for a manslaughter charge is strange so there is more here ...
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My guess on the bond is inaccurate reporting. Chances are it's not a no bond or not manslaughter but the more popular charge of "Murder" which is unclassified. There are only a few charges you can hold someone without bond.
 
Segment from that CBS article is below. *If* that's really how it happened, then the employee should not be facing charges, right? there still must be more to this in order to charge him?

The owner says as the suspect ran outside, the clerk followed him out the door and told the suspect that the police were on their way.
That’s when the suspect shot at the clerk, who then shot back, the store owner said.
 
“But as a general rule, the law allows an individual only to use that force which is necessary to end an immediate threat,” Freeman said. “In those situations where an individual’s actions exceed that lawful authority, he or she is subject to prosecution.”
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But then ...
Officers said an employee and Wiley exchanged gunfire during the robbery.
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Um, armed robbery and shooting at someone are both grounds for lethal force. Even if they want to push the point about pursuing the robber, there is no issue with that either because you are not under the obligation to do nothing to stop a robber. The requirement is that the use of force be reasonable and justified. My guess is this DA may have graduated last in her class or something.
 
Google the dead man's name and once you get past his mug shots and inmate record, you find in his obituary that he was a good boy...

"Derrick Malik Nahame Wiley (21) Better known to his Family & friends as ''D-Rose" was called home on July 14,2018 . Derrick was born on June 15,1997 to his loving parents, Sheree Wiley and Henry Allen an he was raised here in Greensboro NC.

D-Rose was educated in the Guilford County Schools, he was an awesome individual who had a heart of gold. He was very respectful, caring,and a lovable person who would give his last to help his love ones. Derrick was a young man with a Large personality, he loved and enjoyed to being around people, as people enjoyed and loved him. He will be MISSED!!!"
 
noway2 said:
But then ...

Um, armed robbery and shooting at someone are both grounds for lethal force. Even if they want to push the point about pursuing the robber, there is no issue with that either because you are not under the obligation to do nothing to stop a robber. The requirement is that the use of force be reasonable and justified. My guess is this DA may have graduated last in her class or something.
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Lauren Freeman has only been the DA since 2015. She's a Democrat so you wouldn't expect her to be friendly to self defense cases. Earlier this year, she prosecuted this other case as first degree murder, which I thought was pretty aggressive for what happened:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article201634984.html

The defendant in that case was criminally stupid, told obvious lies, and kept changing his story, so I was willing to give Mrs. Freeman the benefit of the doubt there. She took this recent case to the grand jury, and they returned the indictment, so there must be something we don't know. I can't find any facts about how the gunfight went down, and until that comes out, I'm going to withhold judgement. Meanwhile, I'd advise everyone to consider that use of deadly force in Wake County could result in serious legal problems.
 
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Lauren Freeman has only been the DA since 2015.
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Off topic, but while going through a dispute with a crooked contractor who hired a just graduated lawyer, it was rather fun watching my lawyer with 20 years of experience give her a solid dressing down and a review of legal principles.
 
MostWanted said:
Lauren Freeman has only been the DA since 2015. She's a Democrat so you wouldn't expect her to be friendly to self defense cases. Earlier this year, she prosecuted this other case as first degree murder, which I thought was pretty aggressive for what happened:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article201634984.html

The defendant in that case was criminally stupid, told obvious lies, and kept changing his story, so I was willing to give Mrs. Freeman the benefit of the doubt there. She took this recent case to the grand jury, and they returned the indictment, so there must be something we don't know. I can't find any facts about how the gunfight went down, and until that comes out, I'm going to withhold judgement. Meanwhile, I'd advise everyone to consider that use of deadly force in Wake County could result in serious legal problems.
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Yet, when it comes to a 2-time felon stealing a gun from me and one each from two other dealers, his case continues to be continued, even though he attempted to steal ANOTHER gun while out on bail for stealing guns. She is really hard on real criminals. o_O
 
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Meanwhile, I'd advise everyone to consider that use of deadly force in Wake County could result in serious legal problems.
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If I'm in a situation where I feel I need to use deadly force, legal problems will not be at the top of my list of concerns. o_O

Just sayin'
 
Railsplitter said:
LOL.... called home..... sheesh!

I believe it was more like his butt was sent packing!
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Maybe it was called home, if he went straight to Hell that is. Then again, I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell, but I realize many do.
 
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Maybe it was called home, if he went straight to Hell that is. Then again, I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell, but I realize many do.
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I believe in the concept that if a bad guy pulls the trigger with intent to kill, maim or hurt, all bets are off.

And he should receive your just reward.
 
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So, odds are on a Lauren Freeman vendetta, for killing a bad guy who caused it all and shot first.
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Just to be clear, I haven't seen anything that stated who fired first, or any details at all on how it went down. You don't need to wait until the other guy is shooting to shoot back, but once D-Rose left the store, there was no imminent threat of death or great bodily harm. I'm anxious to see what comes out in the trial.
 
thecarman said:
The owner says as the suspect ran outside, the clerk followed him out the door and told the suspect that the police were on their way.
That’s when the suspect shot at the clerk, who then shot back, the store owner said.
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So let me see if I understand this correctly.

You go into a store to rob the place, you open fire and the clerk shoots back at you.

Then you bugged out (the only evidence of a positive IQ yet today) and the same clerk runs out behind you to tell you the popo are already on the way so you open fire on the clerk again.

Well Sherlock, WTF did you think was going to happen?

Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing over and over (sometimes just twice is sufficient) and expecting a different result.

The average intelligence of the human race just increased incrementally.

It sounds like both shoots were good shoots.
 
Sheriff Grady Judd 3 weeks ago defended an Uber driver for shooting and killing a man. We need more LEs like this. Check out YT.
Last thing he Sheriff says in his news conference "Leave people alone, they may have a gun and shoot you".
 
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second link I followed said the clerk followed the BG out, told him the cops were coming, the BG fired at the clerk, and the clerk fired back.
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Thank you, I missed that. If the facts are as stated in that article, I don't see how Mr. Hanna could be convicted. I also note the obituary; sounds like D-Rose had a set of parents that still cared. That's probably not typical, and they could have been pushing for charges. I don't know.
 
This is pure speculation but it could be that the DA didn't intend for the Grand Jury to issue a True bill and only presented it to them so he could say I put it forward and the GJ denied it. Too bad the Grand Jury didn't consider the facts. The axiom about indicting a ham sandwich is true... mostly.
 
MostWanted said:
Google the dead man's name and once you get past his mug shots and inmate record, you find in his obituary that he was a good boy...

"Derrick Malik Nahame Wiley (21) Better known to his Family & friends as ''D-Rose" was called home on July 14,2018 . Derrick was born on June 15,1997 to his loving parents, Sheree Wiley and Henry Allen an he was raised here in Greensboro NC.

D-Rose was educated in the Guilford County Schools, he was an awesome individual who had a heart of gold. He was very respectful, caring,and a lovable person who would give his last to help his love ones. Derrick was a young man with a Large personality, he loved and enjoyed to being around people, as people enjoyed and loved him. He will be MISSED!!!"
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Well, that’s all a lie! Especially the last sentence, “ He will be MISSED!!!” Somebody didn’t miss him! Shot his azz right in the leg! He definitely learned not to commit armed robbery and won’t be doing it again!!!!!
 
Notice he had his mother's last name, which is different from his father's last name. That's a common practice among Strong Families in High Society, isn't it?

I bet he went to Dudley High School.
 
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Update, still no info.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article219734365.html
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This story says:
"The clerk, later identified as Hanna, handed over an undisclosed amount of money to Wiley, who took the cash and ran from the store.
Hanna followed Wiley out of the store and ordered him to stop, Harmon reported."

Totally different situation than just following him as previously reported. Maybe he was pointing a gun at the robber? Doesn't say...we lack a complete description of the timeline of the shooting.
 
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Bruce333 said:
This story says:
"The clerk, later identified as Hanna, handed over an undisclosed amount of money to Wiley, who took the cash and ran from the store.
Hanna followed Wiley out of the store and ordered him to stop, Harmon reported."

Totally different situation than just following him as previously reported. Maybe he was pointing a gun at the robber? Doesn't say...we lack a complete description of the timeline of the shooting.
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Fleeing felon rule. Still do not see how a jury can convict. If it was a police officer, he would have had his weapon out and pointed at the robber. In North Carolina a private person may
stop and detain another person when the private person has probable cause to believe that the other person has committed in his presence a (1) felony, (2) a breach of the peace, (3) a crime involving physical injury to another person, or (4) a crime involving theft or destruction of property.
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Still doesn't make sense from the information given.
 
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