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Randall Model 14 Attack - Solingen

Discussion in 'Appraisals - What's this worth?' started by SCshooter57, Mar 25, 2020 at 9:04 PM.

  1. SCshooter57

    SCshooter57 covfefe Charter Life Member Life Member

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    Thinking about letting this go. It was passed down from an uncle (deceased) to my dad and then to me.
    What I know (or think I know about it):
    Viet-Nam era knife.
    Micarta handle
    Solingen steel (somewhat rare/collectible?)
    Original Sheath
    Original Whetstone
    Overall close to excellent condition
    Don't know who 'Terry C. Downie' is. I assume it's someone my uncle knew.

    Looking for current value in today's market.
    Randall model 14 attack solingen.jpg Randall 2.jpg Randall 3.jpg Randall 4.jpg
     
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    JimB Picking it up slowly. Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    When we last discussed this you were going to talk to your father and then to the folks at Randall, did anything come from that?

    FWIW, I love the knife.
     
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    JimB Picking it up slowly. Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    This is interesting, just a quick search, no time to look for more tonight. This guy is the right age though.
    https://www.ancientfaces.com/person/terry-c-downie-birth-1944/102616855

    even more interesting, he might be living in Irmo, SC
    https://www.yellowbook.com/people/terry-downie/

    maybe became a cpt in 71
    https://books.google.com/books?id=LGpuGzvmuj8C&pg=RA1-PA62&lpg=RA1-PA62&dq="Terry+C+Downie"&source=bl&ots=ECCYq0hTyJ&sig=ACfU3U0KvWt1x2bR6JJTUdtv1wSYgjqM3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin0rijlbfoAhXnlOAKHaouAZUQ6AEwAXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q="Terry C Downie"&f=false

    phone number might be 803-315-6482 or 803-708-1458

    address is 4 Paddock Chase, Irmo SC, 29063
     
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    Yes, at that time it seemed knife pricing was depressed so we decided to hold on to it for a while. Testing the waters again to see if values have moved.
     
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    Thanks for this. I'll reach out to him. His age would have put him in the Viet-Nam era. Could be how he and my uncle crossed paths.
     
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    And I've emailed Randall Knives. Waiting for a response.
     
  7. nc-by-the-c

    nc-by-the-c Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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    Is there a liner in that thong hole or does a counter recessed drilling make it look that way in the photo?
    Is stamped logo stamped or etched? Can’t tell that from photo either
     
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    I had to google "thong hole". the first few images weren't pretty. :eek:
    The lanyard hole/thong tube does have an insert. Looks like brass possibly.
    I read last night, trying to research the knife, that Randall Solingen blades are etched versus stamped because they were shipped from Germany already heat treated.
     
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    REELDOC EYES OPEN, NO FEAR Benefactor Supporting Member

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    Before I was broke the 2nd or 3rd time I had several Randalls, I miss them. If you determine a price I am interested.
     
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    Vintage knife valuation is a tricky patch to navigate. That said, Randalls hold their value well, and a vintage Model 14 ought to bring more than $750 (really $800 - $1000) easily. However, you will have to advertise it in the right places - and be very patient. Based on experience, if it were mine, I would keep it and pass it on to someone who deserves and appreciates it. Just my humble opinion. :)
     
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    BBD280 God, Guns, and Guts

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    nc-by-the-c Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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    As for the etched vs stamped seems stamped was quite common, reference image
    As for the thong hole having a liner vs not.....hmmmm I’m beyond my knowledge there, I have been under the impression that any from the nam era should have no liner at all, I’ll have to pull a few books and look
    Any members maybe can chime in? I’m confused by that liner....
     
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    nc-by-the-c Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

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    I found this..
    The solingen on the left is a nam era knife made in 60s
    The solingen Randall on the right is a late 72-73 model

    Notice liner/unlined hole
    And different shape of guard

    I think yours is more like the one on the right...

    Hope that helps with dating
     
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    I have 15 or so left from a big sale. I am always in the market for another. I have Never seen an etched Randall knife. This includes the three Solingens I have had. If this knife is verified as a Viet Nam era knife I think @JT is close to the money. I have seen some bring $2K if of the right variety with the right options. The Solingen knives are a different breed. Some seek them out and some run from them.
     
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    Based on your experience, does the look of the blade in front of the guard look right? I wasn’t expecting what looks like a somewhat sloppy solder job.

    sorry, also meant to tag @nc-by-the-c
     
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    Mines definitely like the one on the right.

    As far as etching vs stamped - I've looked at examples and have determined I don't know enough to tell the difference. Got this off KnifeTalkForum:
    Early Solingen Blades were stamped in Germany. These blades generally had the stamping on the ricasso running parallel to the hilt.

    As the Viet Nam war ramped up and the demand for the blades increased is when the logo etching came to the forefront. Although RMK had the capacity to etch prior to this period and did so on occasion for bad or errant stamps, but never in the quantity in the normal course of fabrication you saw at this time and almost exclusively on these Solingen blades.

    As the blades were received from Germany, they often required some level of refinishing to meet RMK standards. So the RMK -Solingen etched logo was added at the typical logo stamp location on the blade.


    And this off BladeForums:
    A question has come up when the older cross-ricosso Solingen stamp was discontinued and the newer familiar Randall-Made over Solingen was introduced. Your book says the older "stamp" was seen until 1965, though the newer stamp first appeared earlier in 1963.

    I deduct that the original order of 500 model 14 Solingen blades delivered in 1955 had the old "stamp" already applied to the blanks that came from Germany. I then deduct that this initial supply lasted almost 10 years before being exhausted because there was not a very big demand for 14-Solingen blades until Vietnam heated up. I also believe that Mr. Randall probably ordered an additional supply of blank blades in 1963 that were imported with only "STAINLESS" (if they were stainless) across the ricosso, and then he etched the Randall-Made over Solingen trademark in his shop.

    This last quote seems to align with mine.
     
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    As for the solder, I can’t really see how bad yours looks from the photographed angle though I have definitely seen Randalls where the solder looked less “finished/refined” as you might expect on a Randall
     
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    Randall Knives from the mid 90s to early 2000s for some reason were spotty on a lot of issues. There was a 3 or 4 year period where they came as dull as a butter knife. All that to say, don't be surprised to get solder points and sharpness not to the level you would expect.