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Who has one? I've got one on a Glock 19 mos. Burris fast fire . How long did it take you to get use to it and up to speed when shooting it. I have had this for a couple of years and still have not shot it. Is it hard to get use to. How many rounds did you shoot before being proficient and confident in using it for EDC. Mine does have suppressor height sights.
 
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You need to spend time practicing your push out so you present the gun at the proper height consistently. Then add dry fire.

I've got a Sig 320rx with suppressor height front sight and a Romeo1. The back of the Romeo1 is notched to act as a rear sight, but it's not ideal. Total range toy.
 
Have gun-will travel said:
Who has one? I've got one on a Glock 19 mos. Burris fast fire . How long did it take you to get use to it and up to speed when shooting it. I have had this for a couple of years and still have not shot it. Is it hard to get use to. How many rounds did you shoot before being proficient and confident in using it for EDC.mine does have duppress
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You can get use to the dot without ever having fired a round by simple dry fire exercise daily. Try 20 minutes a day for a week and let us know how it works for you. Draws to target, transitions and reloads with back to the target.

Trijicon pistol RMRs have a great reliability record.

Having said that, I have two Burris dots and one of them won’t hold zero.


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I've got a Trijicon RMR on a G-19, and have been running them for around 5-6 years. In all honesty, it didn't take me long to get use to it, but I did dry fire daily with it, also while taking it to the range often. Was my edc for the last 5-6 years, until lately. I wear progressive glasses, and the dot has gotten hard for me to focus on quickly. So now I carry a Gen 2 19 or a G-48.

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I have one on a Sig 229 and I love it!

Did not take me very long to get used to it. I did put 3-400 rounds through it before carrying it regularly. Unlike @Stick Man wear hard line bifocals and have not had an issue. It is my EDC now.
 

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I have an Arex Rex Zero 1 Tactical with a Holosun 507C on it. Works great. Easily more accurate than me. Perfect cowitness with the suppressor height sights. I was actually doing pretty well with it first time out. Don't let the "shaky dot" distract you.

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I started out with a G19 / RMR never could get comfortable finding the dot. switched to a sig 320 and the dot just came naturally . I think it differs with each person chances are whatever gun you shoot best w/o RDS is the one that you will shoot best with one
 
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One you put enough work in with the dot to get familiar with it, you won’t have any other sighting system. I started out with a dot about 4 years ago. All of my handguns, including my carry gun, now have a dot.
 
I dry fire probably 100x more than actually shooting live rounds. I still try to shoot a few times a week though.

Dry fire is your friend and after drawing and presenting with the dot it should get as easy as it is using irons.
 
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Have gun-will travel said:
Who has one? I've got one on a Glock 19 mos. Burris fast fire . How long did it take you to get use to it and up to speed when shooting it. I have had this for a couple of years and still have not shot it. Is it hard to get use to. How many rounds did you shoot before being proficient and confident in using it for EDC. Mine does have suppressor height sights.
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@Have gun-will travel The way I heard it you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a shotgun:D.
 
When I first started shooting with a RDS on my FN45 I found that if I pulled up and found the irons first the dot would appear quickly, if I immediately went searching for the dot I could never find it. Time wise the dot didn't help my first shot but follow up shots were quicker.
 
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When I first started shooting with a RDS on my FN45 I found that if I pulled up and found the irons first the dot would appear quickly, if I immediately went searching for the dot I could never find it. Time wise the dot didn't help my first shot but follow up shots were quicker.
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That's exactly how I did it. Put suppressor height irons on, and just pulled up and lined up the sights, and there is the dot. I think it takes a little brain reconfiguration for some, as they want to chase the dot.
 
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I have one on a Sig 229 and I love it!

Did not take me very long to get used to it. I did put 3-400 rounds through it before carrying it regularly. Unlike @Stick Man wear hard line bifocals and have not had an issue. It is my EDC now.
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That's what sucks. I can take my glasses off, and it's no problem at all, even though I have a astigmatism, I run the dot smallish as to not starburst the dot. But when I put my glasses on, and press the gun out, sometimes I have a little problem with the dot being out of focus from the progressive's. Now, if I take just a second and adjust, I can shoot just as good as I ever have with it, but sometimes the speed from draw to first shot isn't fast enough. If I can't get 1.5-1.7 second draw to first shot from concealment on the timer, it's not good enough.
 
I found these helpful;
- The pistol fits your natural point of aim
- Focus on target and bring dot to target, try not to search for the dot.
- Practice grip and draw & point
 
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I’ve recently made the switch. Can’t see front sight really anymore.
Put an SRO on my CZ p10.
Only been using it on my match gun. Shot third match it it last weekend and finally starting to get used to it.
I don’t have suppressor sights so I just ignore sights entirely. Will likely remove them. You
I’ve found glocks with RMR difficult in past. Just not a natural grip angle to me, even though I do carry them with open sights.
Might go with a carry gun optic if o can find a gun I like with a more CZ like grip angle.
 
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I’ve recently made the switch. Can’t see front sight really anymore.
Put an SRO on my CZ p10.
Only been using it on my match gun. Shot third match it it last weekend and finally starting to get used to it.
I don’t have suppressor sights so I just ignore sights entirely. Will likely remove them. You
I’ve found glocks with RMR difficult in past. Just not a natural grip angle to me, even though I do carry them with open sights.
Might go with a carry gun optic if o can find a gun I like with a more CZ like grip angle.
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I’m sure CZ Custom will mill a P01 or PCR slide for you. :D
 
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I’m sure CZ Custom will mill a P01 or PCR slide for you. :D
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Never owned a PCR but I’ve been eyeballing them for years.
Bit heavy compared to my baby grocks!
I wish CZ would do a plastic single stack like the 43!
 
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Never owned a PCR but I’ve been eyeballing them for years.
Bit heavy compared to my baby grocks!
I wish CZ would do a plastic single stack like the 43!
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I’d like a metal/aluminum single stack. A plastic one will just be another Glock clone.
 
If you have a good index with Glocks it'll be very easy. If your index sucks it will be hard. Most people have a terrible one, but irons let them line things up subconsciously while extending. Without any reference most people present muzzle high.

Dry fire draw to a smallish target. Once you have it square and two handed try it with a lean, and strong and weak hand, it comes quick but takes reps.

When durability increases and price decreases I think a majority of "shooters" will go to dots. It literally makes shooting a matter of not disturbing the gun while pressing the trigger.

I don't think they'll ever take over because batteries have finite lives and for people that leave it at the bedside, in the holster, or safe for years without thought or glance it doesn't really work. And no matter how small they add bulk, which is why I don't carry one in spite of the advantages.
 
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We had a DEA guy through here with Don Carroway a while back. He had been in several gunfights with his issued Sig and red dot. He said only through Grace was he still alive. After the third engagement and still not being successful he realized he was Searching for the Dot. After he went to Irons he was successful in his next shootout. This could be because he wasn't putting in the time Or he was reverting to 10 million years of hard wiring. We all understand and all practice for "front sight" or red dot or laser sighting, but when that saber tooth tiger attacks inside 10 yards....you gonna be looking at Him. All of you that mentioned "presentation and dry fire" are dead on the money. @Stick Man shot here enough that he left his dots. He has other reasons also but the Wizard convinced him.
 
Beef15 said:
I don't think they'll ever take over because batteries have finite lives and for people that leave it at the bedside, in the holster, or safe for years without thought or glance it doesn't really work. And no matter how small they add bulk, which is why I don't carry one in spite of the advantages.
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A lot of dots are integrating some kind of "shake awake" technology that lets the light go into ultra-low power state after a few minutes of sitting still, then pops it back right where you had it within milliseconds of being picked up.
That basically lets the battery last until it reaches its own natural death due to self-discharge. Most people would move their nightstand gun once every year or two, and that would make a fine time for people to be reminded to check the battery.
But as somebody who is a shooter and will practice being in bed and reaching over to the nightstand now and again... my observations may be skewed by personal experience.
 
I'm not certain Shake Awake is viable tech yet. I've got that in my red dot and battery life is crazy inconsistent. It's a neat tech bit for a toy. Time and use in the field will determine if it's actually trusted. I don't trust mine. There's a reason why my bump in the night pistol has tritium sights and a light and my bump in the night long gun wears an Aimpoint.
 
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We had a DEA guy through here with Don Carroway a while back. He had been in several gunfights with his issued Sig and red dot. He said only through Grace was he still alive. After the third engagement and still not being successful he realized he was Searching for the Dot. After he went to Irons he was successful in his next shootout. This could be because he wasn't putting in the time Or he was reverting to 10 million years of hard wiring. We all understand and all practice for "front sight" or red dot or laser sighting, but when that saber tooth tiger attacks inside 10 yards....you gonna be looking at Him. All of you that mentioned "presentation and dry fire" are dead on the money. @Stick Man shot here enough that he left his dots. He has other reasons also but the Wizard convinced him.
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Billy, somewhere on the forum I saw a video of a guy shooting the wizard drill in an indoor range .The pistol he was shooting had a red dot .And he did it. Question, is it easier using an idpa paper target ? And is it easier in an indoor shooting area as opposed to having the sun in your face
 
Two pro-tips for those having trouble "finding the red dot" during the presentation:

1) Remember the hands follow the eyes, so if you focus on the desired point of impact during the draw your hands will naturally present the dot in line with the desired POI.

2) When presenting, make sure that when you are fully pushed out that the rear of the slide is in line with the tip of your nose; that's how know you are at the right height.

If you follow these two tips, not only will you consistently and quickly "find the dot," but you will also consistently and quickly "find the front sight" when using irons.

The problem is too many of us consciously or subconsciously track the iron sights during our presentation which slows us down and impedes consistent and proper form.
 
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