"Red Flag Attacks, Obfuscation & Avoidance Techniques"

What’s to stop someone that is anti-guns fro joining this forum and getting all the information on us? Just go to the BST page and make contact with seller and you have all you need to call the police. Red Flag Laws need to be stopped fast.
 
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I'd like your thoughtful serious responses to the advice offered in this article. If the author's on the money, then I've got some significant changes to make!

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/re..._6f6fac3eaa-07ed792369-20594345#axzz5nQTb4l1R


Sounds like it was written by a lawyer.
I agree that we all, gun owners included, should be level headed, no short fuse resulting in unnecessary confrontation.
I totally disagree in regards to hiding our stance on 2a or our fondness for firearms.
On second thought, maybe it was written by a Democrat. Further marginalizing gunowners will have the effect of criminalizing us quicker than the red flag laws can work.
 
I'd like your thoughtful serious responses to the advice offered in this article. If the author's on the money, then I've got some significant changes to make!

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/re..._6f6fac3eaa-07ed792369-20594345#axzz5nQTb4l1R

If you must self-censor, if you must exercise your God-given, inalienable Rights in secret, if you cannot freely speak your mind or live your Life or pursue your own Happiness without armed men who "would never enforce gun confiscation schemes" showing up under the cover of darkness to visit violence upon you, your spouse, and your children - are you Free?
 
I agree that we all, gun owners included, should be level headed, no short fuse resulting in unnecessary confrontation.

Not having a short fuse will help. Being non-confrontational will not.

With no repercussions rabid antis will push even more, become more bold. When they turn violent, and they will/have, any response should be thought of in advance and immediate.
 
I think the author is mostly correct but to what degree must I stifle my right of free speech in order to "stay under the radar"?? The Red Flag crap won't be addressed until it hits the SCOTUS and God only knows when that will be.
I have always been "covert" when in a public setting and very few of my non-gun friends even know of my passion for these things, close friends are different.
 
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Sounds like it was written by a lawyer.
I agree that we all, gun owners included, should be level headed, no short fuse resulting in unnecessary confrontation.
I totally disagree in regards to hiding our stance on 2a or our fondness for firearms.
On second thought, maybe it was written by a Democrat. Further marginalizing gunowners will have the effect of criminalizing us quicker than the red flag laws can work.
His bio gives no hint that he is a shark lawyer, rather a 'recognized' firearms instructor out of Fort Collins CO. Nor do I see any indication that he is a Democrat. That said, his positions worry me.
 
I think we likely already have a good number of gun-antis running around this forum for various reasons.

They likely have access to the restricted parts too.
 
Folks, I'll be straightforward.
I have too much ammo and/or not enough suitable storage area to hide my ammo boxes and crates.
How do I keep my family from knowing I am a gun owner?
How do I prevent family members from inviting strangers (to me) into our home?
How do I educate willing citizens about the truth about firearms without discussing them?
How can a man who just published this article under his own name in open source and who advertises himself as a defensive tactics firearm instructor as his vocation make the statements he made in this list?
 
Being the grey man is nothing new. Choose your battles. Assess your own situation/risk and act accordingly or as you see fit.
It's your home, you don't have control over it? You haven't trained/educated your family on the basics of the world situation and discretion?
 
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For me, it sounds as plain and simple common sense that and a reasonable person may use it in every day life and regarding any matter. Simply don't search problems for your own ass.

Sometimes it helps to understand alternative, like in point 10. Fully it should sound as don't make enemies unless you are in absolute need to and you are fully ready and capable to destroy them. Because enemy once is enemy forever and there is no such thing as "making peace". In other words, destroy your enemy or (often better) don't make enemy at all. :)

Of course, it wouldn't help if government ever decide to use ERPO to disarm gun owners - they already know all what they need, but substantially decrease risks of being targeted by individuals.
 
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Being the grey man is nothing new. Choose your battles. Assess your own situation/risk and act accordingly or as you see fit.
It's your home, you don't have control over it? You haven't trained/educated your family on the basics of the world situation and discretion?
We're a three generation household with other extended family members living here also. My wife and I are here for the welfare of our only grandchild. I'm being as charitable as I can when I say that I cannot quite trust the fidelity of some of my non-blood relatives. Life is not always simple b&w, it turns out. I infer that your situation is substantially better than mine in that regard. Count yourself blessed.
 
If you can just follow these two you will be ok.




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5) Don’t become involved in family, nor neighborhood, spats, particularly those involving marriage issues, child custody, etc. Be very good at minding your own business.


10) Don't make enemies. Be a polite, civil, pleasant, courteous person. Don't inject yourself into other people's business
 
I agree that not being a hot head or an ass will avoid much of the trouble.

I don't agree that we should have to hide being part of the gun culture (thinking of how it was phrased in Unintended Consewuences). Hiding it only legitimizes the opposition and gives them ammunition.
 
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We're a three generation household with other extended family members living here also. My wife and I are here for the welfare of our only grandchild. I'm being as charitable as I can when I say that I cannot quite trust the fidelity of some of my non-blood relatives. Life is not always simple b&w, it turns out. I infer that your situation is substantially better than mine in that regard. Count yourself blessed.
I do count myself as blessed. ;)
I see your situation is complicated, but we do what we are able to do.


God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
 
Someone will be along soon to tell us that it’s the way the law was written, and we must follow it...
 
It just occured to me. If the person is a danger to themselves or to others, why are they stopping at taking away guns? Why aren't they taking the person into protective care and providing mental health services or involuntarily committing them to an institution? Instead, they initiate a triggering event on an "unstable" person. And if the "unstable" person survives the encounter, they have been further disenfranchised and disempowered, thereby creating a greater likelyhood of negative reaction. Someone, should make this argument and I'm sure there are scientific findings along this line.

Just sayin'
 
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Why aren't they taking the person into protective care and providing mental health services or involuntarily committing them to an institution?
Because that's not what it's really about. It's a thinly veiled, backdoor gun grab is what it is. Looks like CA and CO are now trying to expand the list of who can "flag" someone for a confiscation attempt. They're trying to create a witch hunt that will disarm people they don't like.
 
It just occured to me. If the person is a danger to themselves or to others, why are they stopping at taking away guns? Why aren't they taking the person into protective care and providing mental health services or involuntarily committing them to an institution? Instead, they initiate a triggering event on an "unstable" person. And if the "unstable" person survives the encounter, they have been further disenfranchised and disempowered, thereby creating a greater likelyhood of negative reaction. Someone, should make this argument and I'm sure there are scientific findings along this line.

Just sayin'

Thats correct.

When i work as a Safety Professional i tell people the Hazzard is nonexistent until you place people near it.

Same to your point. Extraction of the person from the situation, not padding of the environment is the key.

Guns and mental health do not mix.
 
As Noway said it's not really about protecting anyone. I don't think it's really about guns. Though that is a means to an end. It's really about power. Them taking it from we the people!
 
Because that's not what it's really about. It's a thinly veiled, backdoor gun grab is what it is. Looks like CA and CO are now trying to expand the list of who can "flag" someone for a confiscation attempt. They're trying to create a witch hunt that will disarm people they don't like.
Yes, agreed. I actually brought that up to point out the absurdity of the idea. I think it can be proven that it does more harm than good and that if mental health is the issue then there are other better way to go about it.
 
If you must self-censor, if you must exercise your God-given, inalienable Rights in secret, if you cannot freely speak your mind or live your Life or pursue your own Happiness without armed men who "would never enforce gun confiscation schemes" showing up under the cover of darkness to visit violence upon you, your spouse, and your children - are you Free?

I agree

Well after reading the article, the cat's out of the bag on me after many years of not self censoring!

Also, since I decided to be "lawful" and go to my local sheriff and get a CCW license. Should have listened to Ted Nugent, "The 2nd Amendment is my concealed carry permit, period!"
 
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